NOT ENOUGH TICKETS !

  On 6/27/2011 at 10:50 PM, Joyrex said:

renders this quest for the ultimate in quality utterly pointless.

try telling that to a person with OCD

  On 6/27/2011 at 10:50 PM, Joyrex said:

I might just be trolling with this comment but...

 

I find it laughable people are concerned about having the "highest quality" electronic music when a lot of the samples used, production techniques, and overall aural experience the artist is using and trying to convey leans in the opposite direction to all this audiophile crap. Add to that the device the user is playing it back on (typically their computer speakers or an iPod), renders this quest for the ultimate in quality utterly pointless.

thanks - i guess you're right we should dumb everything down to lowest common denominator

i hear amon tobin new cd came with ear buds as it was mastered specifically for that. how generous

it was a request, and some need to go off on tirade off on whild tangents about some cable bullshit. it's clear they are just waiting to get a chance to spliff off on such nonsense. take the ball and run with it, i suppose again. i just reread the original post and i dont see anywhere what gives anyone the reason to go off on tangents. that was not the intent of the thread but maybe i posted invisible text ill go look again and see

Man, the ae forum is a tough crowd.

i just don't see the point really. it doesn't even have much to do with me not being able to tell the difference. autechre's material is hardly the most dynamic music i've heard.

edit: especially draft. that album is lofi as fuck. which reminds me, i should try to track down a copy of the promo cassette.

  On 6/27/2011 at 11:21 PM, elusive4 said:

  On 6/27/2011 at 10:50 PM, Joyrex said:

I might just be trolling with this comment but...

 

I find it laughable people are concerned about having the "highest quality" electronic music when a lot of the samples used, production techniques, and overall aural experience the artist is using and trying to convey leans in the opposite direction to all this audiophile crap. Add to that the device the user is playing it back on (typically their computer speakers or an iPod), renders this quest for the ultimate in quality utterly pointless.

 

thanks - i guess you're right we should dumb everything down to lowest common denominator

i hear amon tobin new cd came with ear buds as it was mastered specifically for that. how generous

 

it was a request, and some need to go off on tirade off on whild tangents about some cable bullshit. it's clear they are just waiting to get a chance to spliff off on such nonsense. take the ball and run with it, i suppose again. i just reread the original post and i dont see anywhere what gives anyone the reason to go off on tangents. that was not the intent of the thread but maybe i posted invisible text ill go look again and see

Now who's going off on tangents - I didn't say dumb it down - I said why have this inane quest to have the highest bitrate, etc. when the source material itself isn't meant to be audiophile quality. The original CD should be good enough.

And you really need to stop with these solicitations for music - even if you own the original, asking on a public forum for people to rip (or distribute) audio recordings they may or may not legally own is a violation of our Forum Rules and you've been warned before about similar things. WATMM is your Electronic (not PIRATED) Music Resource. That begs the question too - if you're such a stickler for the highest quality, why not invest in the audiophile equipment to do your own remasters from the CD or vinyl versions you purchased yourself?

Now, if your original request was for WARP to release that so you can purchase it, then that's another matter. Your OP was rather ambiguous, at best.

  On 6/28/2011 at 12:03 AM, Joyrex said:

And you really need to stop with these solicitations for music -

 

Now, if your original request was for WARP to release that so you can purchase it, then that's another matter. Your OP was rather ambiguous, at best.

this thread is a solicitation for music? you reed g00d?

**Joyrex holds the ban hammer high above his head**

**It shines brightly in the sunlight and a bird sings it's mating song somewhere in the distance**

**In one swift motion of flesh and bone, wood and metal, the hammer came crashing down**

**Not a single fuck was given**

  On 6/26/2011 at 4:15 AM, analogue wings said:

if you can tell the difference between 320kbs mp3 and a 24bit wav file in a blind listening test i will personally suck your cock on camera

First 3 seconds of "Dael". Good headphones. That is all.

  On 6/28/2011 at 12:03 AM, Joyrex said:

Now, if your original request was for WARP to release that so you can purchase it, then that's another matter. Your OP was rather ambiguous, at best.

I thought this interpretation was the only one that made sense, since the original CDs are at 16 bit... unless elusive4 meant vinyl rips.

  On 6/28/2011 at 12:42 AM, sweepstakes said:

  On 6/26/2011 at 4:15 AM, analogue wings said:

if you can tell the difference between 320kbs mp3 and a 24bit wav file in a blind listening test i will personally suck your cock on camera

 

First 3 seconds of "Dael". Good headphones. That is all.

OK lets see if you can -

Here's the first loop of dael, each time it loops round I randomly switched between a v0 mp3 and a wav. It's looped 10 times, lets see how many of the 10 you can get right -

I'm off to bed now but I'll give the answer tomorrow after work ...

EDIT:

  On 6/28/2011 at 1:17 AM, mcbpete said:

Here's the first loop of dael, each time it loops round I randomly switched between a v0 mp3 and a wav. It's looped 10 times, lets see how many of the 10 you can get right -

 

http://www.ilovecubus.co.uk/pete/dael_or_no_dael.flac

 

I'm off to bed now but I'll give the answer tomorrow after work ...

hard to tell on older material - especially without hearing this song before (sounds like the same sound used in the intro build-up to reniform puls!). would be better to try an analord or mot/overstep where mastering quality is above top notch. and this doesn't sound terribly complicated for mp3 to handle, anyways

after 2 listens ill wager that the first is wav and then cuts over, but i cant keep track after that as the repeitition taints me pallet

mid-levle ^headphones on winamp 2.91

wouldn't these older 90's albums be on like erm...16 bit DAT masters like everyone else was using back then?

i gotta say, this kind of bullshit happens a lot on WATMM, and it's one of the things that makes me hate this place. what usually happens is this:

1. Person A makes a request for something that is subjective.

2. Various other persons pipe up about how the thing they've requested is completely superfluous, and even retardedly ridiculous to have. Because they know better, and start spouting various bullshit about how it's impossible to hear differences etc etc etc.

i suppose it's no different from any other forum, but it really does irk me sometimes.

i don't know better. i just stated that i can't tell the difference between (for example) oversteps in 16bit vs. 24bit. and i've mentioned before that i'd be satisfied if someone provided a decent analysis of the differences between the two versions (instead of just saying "r ess starts a few seconds earlier" or whatever). yet nobody has done so, so far. i don't know how to do it myself, i tried to subtract one from the other in soundforge but just ended up with white noise.

there's really no excuse to NOT get insanely huge versions of albums as we all have massive hard drives these days anyway.

i've only dared to take a crack at this (a/b test) once, and did pretty well distinguishing between v0 mp3 and ALAC. that was the Beatles remasters not ae though.

still wouldn't it be interesting to at least HEAR and then we could SEE if there was a difference? i think i agree with osc and the OP that there is really no reason to come down so hard on a thread that was essentially just someone stating an opinion rather mildly.

that said isn't there an interview from round Draft time where ae talk about how they work at 44/16 in the first place? in that case there would be no 24 bit version.

also i understand joyrex's position but i don't think it's actually valid in practice. what we think of as "lo fi" music actually contains a lot of musical information considering that there is frequently a lot of high frequencies, distortion, etc. the point is that what to our ears may feel "lo fi" may not be "lo fi" at all to a compression algorithm or a/d converter. just my opinion yo

the point of the thread was my fav moment of draft //// ending of 6ie.cr - the surface noise is extremely loud. if it was created in 44/16 then moot point.

i don't hear nearly that level of noise floor on oversteps. youp, for example. one of the cleanest sounding ae tracks (or any electronic track) ive had the pleasure of hearing.

does not one else hear the noise in 6ie.cr, or dont tell me i am listening too loud now r ya?

  On 6/28/2011 at 2:46 AM, soundwave said:

wouldn't these older 90's albums be on like erm...16 bit DAT masters like everyone else was using back then?

dont know - i dont see any references to the older 90's albums in the thread title so not sure how such a statement is relevant.

  On 6/28/2011 at 3:41 AM, Ascdi said:

i think i agree with osc and the OP that there is really no reason to come down so hard on a thread that was essentially just someone stating an opinion rather mildly.

maybe i missed it but i dont see any sentence construct that could be considered one's 'opinion' in the thread title nor original post.

watmm has a way of reading into things because they really are looking for any opportunity to rantt

  On 6/28/2011 at 3:47 AM, elusive4 said:

the point of the thread was my fav moment of draft //// ending of 6ie.cr - the surface noise is extremely loud. if it was created in 44/16 then moot point.

i don't hear nearly that level of noise floor on oversteps. youp, for example. one of the cleanest sounding ae tracks (or any electronic track) ive had the pleasure of hearing.

 

does not one else hear the noise in 6ie.cr, or dont tell me i am listening too loud now r ya?

is it not part of the track? i noticed there is audible background white noise throughout draft and confield, which i thought they kinda played up by glitching the start of it in both albums.. mostly in confield actually

  On 6/28/2011 at 4:01 AM, modey said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 3:47 AM, elusive4 said:

the point of the thread was my fav moment of draft //// ending of 6ie.cr - the surface noise is extremely loud. if it was created in 44/16 then moot point.

i don't hear nearly that level of noise floor on oversteps. youp, for example. one of the cleanest sounding ae tracks (or any electronic track) ive had the pleasure of hearing.

 

does not one else hear the noise in 6ie.cr, or dont tell me i am listening too loud now r ya?

is it not part of the track? i noticed there is audible background white noise throughout draft and confield, which i thought they kinda played up by glitching the start of it in both albums.. mostly in confield actually

quite reasonable - im totally spoiled by yuop and especially the intro to 0-O. so much signal buried down llow.

  On 6/28/2011 at 1:17 AM, mcbpete said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 12:42 AM, sweepstakes said:

  On 6/26/2011 at 4:15 AM, analogue wings said:

if you can tell the difference between 320kbs mp3 and a 24bit wav file in a blind listening test i will personally suck your cock on camera

 

First 3 seconds of "Dael". Good headphones. That is all.

OK lets see if you can -

 

Here's the first loop of dael, each time it loops round I randomly switched between a v0 mp3 and a wav. It's looped 10 times, lets see how many of the 10 you can get right -

 

http://www.ilovecubus.co.uk/pete/dael_or_no_dael.flac

 

I'm off to bed now but I'll give the answer tomorrow after work ...

Very difficult one because it doesn't go very long and the sounds are very hard

I'd hazard a guess though: wav, mp3, mp3, wav, mp3, wav, wav, wav, mp3, mp3

I'm jealous of your hearing (It's not 100% right but you're very close) unless you just looked at a spectrogram you big cheater !

  On 6/28/2011 at 3:31 AM, modey said:

i don't know better. i just stated that i can't tell the difference between (for example) oversteps in 16bit vs. 24bit. and i've mentioned before that i'd be satisfied if someone provided a decent analysis of the differences between the two versions (instead of just saying "r ess starts a few seconds earlier" or whatever). yet nobody has done so, so far. i don't know how to do it myself, i tried to subtract one from the other in soundforge but just ended up with white noise.

Yeah, basically throw all the spectrograph etc. analysis out the window because it only comes down to human perception. And rest assured that you aren't missing anything with those extra 8 bits either - no one, no where has been able to successfully differentiate between 16-bit and 24-bit in a blind test. Anyone claiming otherwise is just blowing smoke up their own ass.

I could have fluked it. They do sound ridiculously alike.

In any case there's no way can I hear a difference between 16 and 24 bit, I can see how in theory it is better but my ears aren't that good yet

  On 6/28/2011 at 4:27 PM, Bob Dobalina said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 3:31 AM, modey said:

i don't know better. i just stated that i can't tell the difference between (for example) oversteps in 16bit vs. 24bit. and i've mentioned before that i'd be satisfied if someone provided a decent analysis of the differences between the two versions (instead of just saying "r ess starts a few seconds earlier" or whatever). yet nobody has done so, so far. i don't know how to do it myself, i tried to subtract one from the other in soundforge but just ended up with white noise.

 

Yeah, basically throw all the spectrograph etc. analysis out the window because it only comes down to human perception. And rest assured that you aren't missing anything with those extra 8 bits either - no one, no where has been able to successfully differentiate between 16-bit and 24-bit in a blind test. Anyone claiming otherwise is just blowing smoke up their own ass.

respectfully, shut up.

you cannot make definitive statements pertaining to the entire population of earth regarding something that is subjective.

fun fact, Speed Dealer Moms EP was released in 24bit + 96khz