NOT ENOUGH TICKETS !

  On 6/29/2011 at 7:43 AM, blos said:

Also - "incomplete without surface noise" is a previously stated attitude of theirs.

A more recently stated attitude is that the digital file is the intended product. That they're less fussed about CD or vinyl than they used to be, I'm not so sure the surface noise is so important to them anymore.

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:09 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:06 AM, Bob Dobalina said:

erm, anti-troll. Please, continue to make subjective claims without objective proof.

you can't have objective proof on something that is subjective.

 

next.

The need for 24-bit files is subjective. Being able to hear a difference is objectifiable inasmuch as it is susceptible to scientific experimentation.

Surely you understand that to prove no-one can hear the difference, you would need to test the whole population, I mean you wrote that yourself. Whereas it only takes one subject to show that "some" people can hear the difference, yet this is somehow too much to ask? This is why unless you are a complete dimwit you assume there is no audible difference before at least one case has been identified.

everyone seems to have missed the most important question:

is it available on digital vinyl?

the effect you're hearing is probably because of bitreduction, dithering - going from 24 to 16 bit causes the distortion and added hiss.. it's not the noisefloor that's getting amplified, but a mix of noise being added for the dithering process, and distortion you get from the bitreduction algorithm wrongly guessing where the bits should go in 16 bits. if you have really expensive ditherers this still happens, but it's really not that noticable at all..

  On 6/29/2011 at 7:46 PM, xxx said:

The knowledge in this thread is mindblowing. I wish it was being channeled into making the music, not waxing masturbatory over it. I don't know what happened to the "punk ethic" that was so much a part of this whole mess in the first place. For instance...

 

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:47 PM, a missing sense said:

it's not the noisefloor that's getting amplified, but a mix of noise being added for the dithering process, and distortion you get from the bitreduction algorithm wrongly guessing where the bits should go

 

I cut my teeth on tracks like "Noisefloor" by Prototype 909 that literally celebrated the phenomenon. That's the fun part of techno for me...how much you can tell convention to fuck off. Anywayz

I don't know what happened to the punk ethics man, seems to me that shit died with the Prodigy.. you have DIY culture.. there's being frugal? I'm frugal, not a lot to spend so I want to make sure that what I get is quality. quality makes a difference, not just quality in sound, but quality in drivers, quality in stability, all that stuff.. when punks were doing their thing there literally was nothing out there on the cheap, they made do with what was there, that was the whole deal.. there's quality stuff out there now, and a lot of crap.. knowledge & science are not the enemy dude, it's not the same as convention.. and it certainly isn't stopping me from doing music.

+ My point you missed was that when you are converting from 24 to 16 bit, the noisefloor doesn't get louder, it's the possible distortion from the conversion process you hear. I wasn't talking about any amplification at all. Every fool doing electronic music has done some sort of thing sampling and amplifying their soundcards noisefloor.

  On 6/26/2011 at 4:15 AM, analogue wings said:

if you can tell the difference between 320kbs mp3 and a 24bit wav file in a blind listening test i will personally suck your cock on camera

lol

check this:

  On 6/29/2011 at 12:09 AM, elusive4 said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 11:36 PM, Awepittance said:

elusive, serious question: do you have evidence to believe Sean and Rob recorded either album in 24-bit at some point?

 

no - did you read the post that stated why i made the request?

 

modey made a point that may render the request useless, if in fact

i did but i still didn't understand where you got the idea that any of the source material for either album let alone that one track you keep talking about was recorded in anything more than 16-bit. Or were you just crossing your fingers on the off chance it was and that it's been leaked on the net?

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:09 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:06 AM, Bob Dobalina said:

erm, anti-troll. Please, continue to make subjective claims without objective proof.

you can't have objective proof on something that is subjective.

 

next.

precisely and is why most anal audiophiles cannot be argued with because guess what? they are actually HALLUCINATING the results. This has been proven in the psychoacoustics field many times, that you hear a false impression of improved quality if you are told before hand 'this is better quality' its a scientific fact. not saying this discounts everybody who hears differences, just that yes this is real and can't be denied

  On 6/29/2011 at 9:11 PM, Velazquez said:

check this:

flol

Any chance I can get this in 1200 dpi?

  On 6/29/2011 at 10:05 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 12:09 AM, elusive4 said:

  On 6/28/2011 at 11:36 PM, Awepittance said:

elusive, serious question: do you have evidence to believe Sean and Rob recorded either album in 24-bit at some point?

 

no - did you read the post that stated why i made the request?

 

modey made a point that may render the request useless, if in fact

 

i did but i still didn't understand where you got the idea that any of the source material for either album let alone that one track you keep talking about was recorded in anything more than 16-bit. Or were you just crossing your fingers on the off chance it was and that it's been leaked on the net?

did you not see the first post of the thread that it was a petition to have released?

sad i've had to explain this to about 3 members now in this thread to go back and read the first post.

  On 6/29/2011 at 10:08 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:09 AM, oscillik said:

  On 6/29/2011 at 4:06 AM, Bob Dobalina said:

erm, anti-troll. Please, continue to make subjective claims without objective proof.

you can't have objective proof on something that is subjective.

 

next.

 

precisely and is why most anal audiophiles cannot be argued with because guess what? they are actually HALLUCINATING the results. This has been proven in the psychoacoustics field many times, that you hear a false impression of improved quality if you are told before hand 'this is better quality' its a scientific fact. not saying this discounts everybody who hears differences, just that yes this is real and can't be denied

terminated ISD w/ haas kicker is all in my head as well.

no one is talking audiophile bullshit. the only thing i talk about regarding music is small room acoustics and inherent/fundamental issues within - and how to fix. fact.

i have a 48bit version of it.

I used to have 64 bit but it caused my drivers to fail so I had to reduce the number of bits of my OS by half so they had common denominators. After that the only issue was my ISA sound card that I had forced into a PCIe slot would randomly crash the buffers on the PC but that was solved with some coat hangers and duct tape :sup:

  On 6/30/2011 at 1:50 AM, hautlle said:

I used to have 64 bit but it caused my drivers to fail so I had to reduce the number of bits of my OS by half so they had common denominators. After that the only issue was my ISA sound card that I had forced into a PCIe slot would randomly crash the buffers on the PC but that was solved with some coat hangers and duct tape :sup:

did you remember to set the DNS server in winamp to clownpenis.fart? you might have problems in the future with buffer overflows or, god help us all, underflows if you didn't. also you should tape empty burger king boxes to your walls in order to prevent immanentizing the eschaton.

  On 6/30/2011 at 2:16 AM, kaini said:

  On 6/30/2011 at 1:50 AM, hautlle said:

I used to have 64 bit but it caused my drivers to fail so I had to reduce the number of bits of my OS by half so they had common denominators. After that the only issue was my ISA sound card that I had forced into a PCIe slot would randomly crash the buffers on the PC but that was solved with some coat hangers and duct tape :sup:

 

did you remember to set the DNS server in winamp to clownpenis.fart? you might have problems in the future with buffer overflows or, god help us all, underflows if you didn't. also you should tape empty burger king boxes to your walls in order to prevent immanentizing the eschaton.

watch out! if you use this method and the files you're trying to play weren't mastered with FLAM-L mastering, it won't be optimal!

  On 6/26/2011 at 11:52 PM, analogue wings said:

  On 6/26/2011 at 4:20 PM, auxien said:

  On 6/26/2011 at 8:54 AM, analogue wings said:

  On 6/26/2011 at 6:21 AM, auxien said:

  On 6/26/2011 at 4:15 AM, analogue wings said:

if you can tell the difference between 320kbs mp3 and a 24bit wav file in a blind listening test i will personally suck your cock on camera

 

i'm really not being a snob, but in at least some cases i personally can tell the difference between 320kbs mp3s and CD quality audio, at least. mostly on music i'm particularly familiar with, naturally, but there is a difference.

 

no, i'm not an audiophile. most of my equipment is subpar by many folks standards, just speaking from my personal experience.

 

good thing i wasnt talking to you then

 

oh, my mistake. who were you talking to? i thought this was a public forum; there must be a glitch that made your private message public! i'll get in touch with watmm customer support right away for you!

 

i'd say i was probably talking to the person i was replying to. that's generally how this conversation thing works. i appreciate that you are an autechre fan though.

well you didn't reply to anyone, actually. hence it seemed to be an open comment within the thread. i clicked 'reply' which quoted what you said. that's how this conversation thing works on a forum. yay, autechre.

i really hope sean and rob are reading this thread and decide to release their next album in 24kbps, mono, realaudio format.

hahaha 7 pages

  On 6/30/2011 at 8:41 AM, modey said:

i really hope sean and rob are reading this thread and decide to release their next album in 24kbps, mono, realaudio format.

24? 16kpbs ought to be enough for anyone.

  On 6/30/2011 at 6:25 PM, theSun said:

hahaha 7 pages

What? 2 pages.

no

7 pages pure wank.

yuck

welcome to WATMM

  On 6/30/2011 at 8:59 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 6/30/2011 at 8:41 AM, modey said:

i really hope sean and rob are reading this thread and decide to release their next album in 24kbps, mono, realaudio format.

 

24? 16kpbs ought to be enough for anyone.

 

  On 6/30/2011 at 6:25 PM, theSun said:

hahaha 7 pages

 

What? 2 pages.

Not everyone rocks like 100 posts per page. They can't handle so much internet at once :sup:

I can't stand the default post/page setting

  On 6/30/2011 at 9:53 PM, xxx said:

  On 6/30/2011 at 8:41 AM, modey said:

i really hope sean and rob are reading this thread and decide to release their next album in 24kbps, mono, realaudio format.

The first Squarepusher I ever heard was Hard Normal Daddy over Real Audio off of the Warp site. I caned the shit out of it in 1996.

 

Attached is a simulation of the Warp .ra sample. Honestly, I get even more nostalgic/emotional by hearing it compressed and degraded to shit--a sign of good music

heh cool, I have an old copy of select ambient work encoded badly at 128kbit, that I've kept since first downloading it. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I prefer it.

PS. SACD Super Audio CD 1 bit encoding FTW :D

Nice to see pseudo-elitist self important pricks with heads deep in their asses defeated again