Michelle Bachman is an evil cunt

the old school hawks that really run amerikka [bush crime family/defense contractors,big oil/pharma/industrial prison complex, the pentagon/joint chiefs of staff ,armetige CIA,sowcroft ,cheney ,pearle,the israel lobby etc ] will never ever let her"in"

her blood ain't blue and she is obviously an uneducated moron

at this point "the lesser of multiple evils" comes to mind. whatever obama has or has not done, he still looks like the lesser of all evils. if you've get a better alternative i'll be prepared to listen.

everyone who takes part in western society/economy is a hypocrite one way or another anyways. if only for putting our money in pension funds and what not.

yeah really, you ought to be living in a shack in the woods for all the hyperbole you're talking. wonder how much of your tax money went to building those killer death robots?

is it now considered hyperbole to call our president of the united states a murderer? if so please explain how. Ill go back to my shack in the woods now

edit: the robots part was kind of a joke, but its still kinda true. They aren't manned aircraft and calling them robots is more fun

any president is inescapably a "victim" of histoy

by default any sitting modern president is a murderer-part of the job

Johnson and nixon[and all of their pals-kissenger,macnamara etc] killed 2 million north Vietnamese and propagated the climate for pol pot to exterminate millions more in cambodia

i think the only modern president that has no blood on his hands nor waged any new wars was jimmy carter…. who is widely seen as "impotent" a weakling,a loser in the eyes of most middle americans/republicans.

pretty much what yikes said. you're focusing on the man in office when the problem is the office, the country, the people in the country, the legislators (including bachmann) and the media.

you're oversimplifying things to an utterly absurd degree and making false equivalencies.

the president has a mandate to send his drones into foreign territory. this is politics remember. officially it's still a democracy and not a dictatorship. sure, the president is the executive in position. but the entire organization at least has something to say in it.

from your definition i'm afraid there aren't many presidents in world-history with godly clean hands. the reality is messy.

what would be the possibility of any president ending the war in iraq and a'stan right after taking the presidents seat in '09? morally i certainly agree with you. but realistically, i don't see any real alternatives. again, alternatives would probably be even worse.

what would you have done in obama's place? and how realistic would that be? pointing out mistakes is fine, but please point to alternatives. fact of the matter is, we're in a huge mess and we certainly can't get away with clean hands. this is damage control.

talking about mess, apart from murdering children, obama care won't make it to x-mas. it's turkey time!

  On 8/15/2011 at 9:00 PM, Awepittance said:

not all presidents have killed children with robots.

it's good we can finally agree on something. i guess the conspiracy theories haven't completely eaten your mind

lol

  On 8/15/2011 at 9:00 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 8/15/2011 at 8:55 PM, patternoverlap said:

  On 8/15/2011 at 8:51 PM, Awepittance said:

here are 2 children killed in Obama's drone strikes

 

 

 

God that Michelle Bachman is such an evil cunt isn't she!

 

 

over 100 children killed in Obama's drone strikes since taking office - http://www.salon.com...ones/index.html

 

This kind of thing happens under virtually every president. Singling out Obama for it seems a bit short-sighted. I realize that you are probably just pointing out that he's not some savior but more of the same. I don't think there's anyone on this board that believes otherwise at this point.

 

then why don't we have threads like 'why is every US president a mass murderer' or 'President Obama is an evil murderer' , if it's so obvious to everybody then why does the board mostly just spew hatred or vitriol in the direction of the easiest target, the group of predictable shrill republicans that crop up every 4 years. We voted this man into office and now he's horrible, but yeah lets just talk about Bachman.

 

edit: and just a slight correction of what you said, not all presidents have killed children with robots. Only 2 so far, George W and Obama. :)

edit2: also no more short sighted (i would argue less so) than saying that Michelle Bachman is evil in any capacity to actually effect our lives in a meaningful way.

Yes, only two US presidents have killed with robots but that is only because drones are new. I am willing to bet they will be used by all presidents, regardless of who they are, from this point on until a better robot is developed.

Just face the fact that the candidate you want as president will never make it far enough to even be considered for nomination. The system in place only allows certain kinds of people into that position. You are going to hate every president that is in office for the rest of your life.

so this cunt was hiding in the bushes at a gay rally? That's gay.

is it me, or does bachman actually look like a walking migraine? i can almost feel her pain when i look at her. thinking makes her head hurt.

she reminds me of a fundie soccer mom next door neighbor from back home -- when her kids were destroying stuff in the front lawn, i heard her tell them, "now, jesus wouldn't like that!"

yeah, because a 4 year-old really gives two fucks about jesus.

  On 8/15/2011 at 3:23 PM, patternoverlap said:

  On 8/15/2011 at 11:20 AM, Stoppit said:

In regards to the title 'Michelle Bachman is an evil cunt', I'm not so sure. In the UK, we've somehow ended up with Cameron as PM, an Eton and Oxford educated, and one would assume, relatively intelligent man. When Cameron makes a decision, he knows exactly what he's doing, namely serving himself and the other extremely wealthy people of this country. He knows when he makes austerity cuts, puts money into funding private alternatives to the NHS, attempts to sell off national forests to landowners, supports Murdoch and his news empire etc etc. he's making decisions that will be detrimental to the majority of the population. That, to me, is evil.

 

Bachman on the other hand, as with Sarah Palin, just seems to have a shockingly low IQ. I'm wondering if she actually has the intelligence to be evil. In the UK, generally speaking, you have to be a bit more creative with your unpleasantness. An extrovertly homophobic or racist politician will rarely be taken seriously (although it is fairly obvious that some of them hold more 'traditional' views, if only behind closed doors). I would hope that someone that expresses such ridiculous opinions openly, as Bachman does, is too stupid to realise how idiotic she sounds. I say that with an optimistic view of the American people. Of course, if she were to become President, I would lose all faith in them and assume they were all as stupid as she is. I'm still trying to work out who actually voted Conservative in this country.

 

Pretty much this. There are a lot of idiots in the U.S. who would support a candidate like this, but not enough for her to have a legit chance of being President (at least I hope so). The far right voters are a very vocal minority but a minority nonetheless.

 

 

  On 8/15/2011 at 2:57 PM, BCM said:

  On 8/15/2011 at 2:08 PM, viscosity said:

what's the evolutionary purpose of homosexuality?

 

 

what's the fucking evolutionary purpose of mustard? what's the evolutionary purpose of snooker? what's the evolutinary purpose of your idiotic question?

 

lol

It would be a grievous mistake to underestimate the power of the far-right, specifically the evangelical right (which Bachmann seems to have strength with)....lets not forget that they were responsible for Reagan, and a good chunk of the voters that re=elected Bush.

  On 8/15/2011 at 7:00 PM, hautlle said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAaDVOd2sRQ

  On 8/15/2011 at 9:24 PM, disparaissant said:

pretty much what yikes said. you're focusing on the man in office when the problem is the office, the country, the people in the country, the legislators (including bachmann) and the media.

 

you're oversimplifying things to an utterly absurd degree and making false equivalencies.

i'm oversimplifying things to an absurd degree in your eyes, then what does the statement 'michelle bachman is an evil cunt' amount to? She hasn't taken part in the murder of thousands of people yet to my knowledge.

i'm sorry that i'm still on a trajectory where i speak very passionately about how our president is a murderer, i don't stop calling the president a murder just because hes now a democrat. It seemed totally fine with people on watmm to openly call George W Bush a war criminal, mass murderer, etc. Seems there is still a huge amount of sensitivity or loyalty surrounding Obama. It's a shame really. Which makes me disbelieve when people immediately go 'well it's the office, not the man' well sure fine, but then why was it ok to criticize the man 4 years ago but not now?

edit: it's a variation of the 'impotent presidency' excuse /talking point. Where instead of going through a period of reconciliation, Obama voters went straight from 'well hes doing the best he can' to 'the office itself is corrupt, and the presidential office is impotent'

Where did the acceptance of his George Bushness go? It seems psychologically it would be healthier to go through that stage before moving on to the impotent one.

so i guess the fact that she's a vocal proponent of troop surges and voted in support of the 2007 surge means absolutely nothing to you?

the fact that she votes to increase defense spending means nothing to you?

she's completely blameless in your eyes?

that's fucking ridiculous.

anyone in the legislative or executive branch is culpable. i find it laughable that you will call obama a murderer while turning a blind eye to the fact that there is no way he could carry on these drone attacks without direct funding provided by the legislative branch of the government. do you even know how government works? or are you seriously one of those people who thinks that obama is a puppet president being controlled by the lizard people?

pretend that was less mean than it came off i'm having a bad day

she's completely blameless? no not at all, clearly she is a predictable right wing drone. Obama's done all that as well and more, i'm just wondering why if what you and Patternoverlap say is true, that everybody in this forum knows obama isnt a savior and that he is now a mass murder by default why on earth are we making threads about how evil someone is who has absolutely no chance of winning the office ? it seems to completely miss the mark to me, and im just trying to point it out. Its easy to forget that McCain was the nominee last time, the most centrist non tea party republican ever, if anything we should be focusing on the candidates who might stand a chance like Rick Perry.

you seem to think that evil only comes in the form of murder. bachmann is an anti-choice homophobe who wants poor people to starve to death. her husband runs a gay conversion therapy clinic. they are horrible, horrible people. attitudes like the ones bachmann holds lead to gay people being beaten to death, women dying from back alley abortions, and the continued (accelerated) widening of the gap between rich and poor. are those not bad enough things for you or something? they may not be outright murder, but those positions and attitudes result in death.

and tbh none of these candidates REALLY stand a chance. it's pretty clear that the republican strategy is to just not even try this time around.

also someone doesn't need to be president to have power. you seem to see things as very black/white. the fact that she is a person who is actually taken seriously by the mainstream media and not just jeered out of office instantly speaks volumes about the state of this country. yes, she's a predictable right wing drone with abhorrent views. and she just won the ames straw poll. that says a lot.

srsly its like your saying WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT POL POT? WHAT ABOUT HITLER? we should ignore one evil cunt because another is worse? how does that make sense?

jeeze talk about over simplifying, you've just truncated/botched so much of what i said, its hard to sit down a write a response to all of it now. will be back later.

no, i'm just ignoring it when you put words into my mouth. there's a difference. :)

i have arrived because i realized this slag cannot be ignored any longer. i was going with the 'ignore and defeat' ideal but now she's all over the place and i started to imagine a world where the Republicans are leading the nation and i got pissed.

I wonder how Obama would have handled 9-11. We can say that 'Dems and Repubs are on the same team!' but IDK. I don't think so. I think the nation would be in a better place if we had good leadership back then.

But we didn't. I would rather not see Obama defeated by Mitt Romney or anything like that come 12.

not that I am condoning military force, but this article is from a journalist whose actually gone to the Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan:

http://www.dailytime..._2-1-2010_pg3_5

full text with bolding

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here is a deep abyss between the perceptions of the people of Waziristan, the most drone-hit area and the wider Pakistani society on the other side of the River Indus. For the latter, the US drone attacks on Waziristan are a violation of Pakistani’s sovereignty. Politicians, religious leaders, media analysts and anchorpersons express sensational clamour over the supposed ‘civilian casualties’ in the drone attacks. I have been discussing the issue of drone attacks with hundreds of people of Waziristan. <b>They see the US drone attacks as their liberators from the clutches of the terrorists into which, they say, their state has wilfully thrown them.</b> The purpose of today’s column is, one, to challenge the Pakistani and US media reports about the civilian casualties in the drone attacks and, two, to express the view of the people of Waziristan, who are equally terrified by the Taliban and the intelligence agencies of Pakistan. I personally met these people in the Pakhtunkhwa province, where they live as internally displaced persons (IDPs), and in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA).

<p>I would challenge both the US and Pakistani media to provide verifiable evidence of civilian ‘casualties’ because of drone attacks on Waziristan, i.e. names of the people killed, names of their villages, dates and locations of the strikes and, above all, the methodology of the information that they collected. If they can’t meet the challenge, I would request them to stop throwing around fabricated figures of ‘civilian casualties’ that confuse people around the world and provide propaganda material to the pro-Taliban and al Qaeda forces in the politics and media of Pakistan.

 

I pose that challenge because no one is in a position to give a correct estimate of how many individuals have been killed so far in drone attacks. On the basis of American media estimates, 600 to 700 ‘civilian population’ have been killed. The Pakistani government, pro-Taliban political parties like Jamaat-e-Islami, Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam, Tehrik-e-Insaf, and the media are quoting the same figure. Neither the government of Pakistan nor the media have any access to the area and no system is in place to arrive at precise estimates. The Pakistani government and media take the figure appearing in the American media as an admission by the American government. The US media too do not have access to the area. Moreover, the area is simply not accessible for any kind of independent journalistic or scholarly work on drone attacks. The Taliban simply kill anyone doing so.

 

The reason why these estimates about civilian ‘casualties’ in the US and Pakistani media are wrong is that after every attack the terrorists cordon off the area and no one, including the local villagers, is allowed to come even near the targeted place. The militants themselves collect the bodies, burry the dead and then issue the statement that all of them were innocent civilians.</b>This has been part of their propaganda to provide excuses to the pro-Taliban and al Qaeda media persons and political forces in Pakistan to generate public sympathies for the terrorists. The Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) or other militants have never admitted to the killing of any important figure of al Qaeda or the TTP. One exception is the killing of Baitullah Mehsud that the TTP reluctantly admitted several days after his death. According to the people of Waziristan, the only civilians who have been killed so far in the drone attacks are women or children of the militants in whose houses/compounds they hold meetings. But that, too, used to happen in the past. Now they don’t hold meetings at places where women and children of the al Qaeda and TTP militants reside. Moreover, in this case too no one is in a position to give even an approximate number of the women and children of the terrorists killed in drone attacks.

 

The people of Waziristan are suffering a brutal kind of occupation under the Taliban and al Qaeda. It is in this context that they would welcome anyone, Americans, Israelis, Indians or even the devil, to rid them of the Taliban and al Qaeda. Therefore, they welcome the drone attacks. Secondly, the people feel comfortable with the drones because of their precision and targeted strikes.</b> People usually appreciate drone attacks when they compare it with the Pakistan Army’s attacks, which always result in collateral damage. Especially the people of Waziristan have been terrified by the use of long-range artillery and air strikes of the Pakistan Army and Air Force. People complain that not a single TTP or al Qaeda member has been killed so far by the Pakistan Army, whereas a lot of collateral damage has taken place. Thousands of houses have been destroyed and hundreds of innocent civilians have been killed by the Pakistan Army. On the other hand, drone attacks have never targeted the civilian population except, they informed, in one case when the funeral procession of Khwazh Wali, a TTP commander, was hit. In that attack too, many TTP militants were killed including Bilal (the TTP commander of Zangara area) and two Arab members of al Qaeda. But some civilians were also killed. After the attack people got the excuse of not attending the funeral of slain TTP militants or offering them food, which they used to do out of compulsion in order to put themselves in the TTP’s good books. “It (this drone attack) was a blessing in disguise,” several people commented.

 

I have heard people particularly appreciating the precision of drone strikes. People say that when a drone would hover over the skies, they wouldn’t be disturbed and would carry on their usual business because they would be sure that it does not target the civilians, but the same people would run for shelter when a Pakistani jet would appear in the skies because of its indiscriminate firing. They say that even in the same compound only the exact room — where a high value target (HVT) is present — is targeted. Thus others in the same compound are spared. <b>The people of Waziristan have been complaining why the drones are only restricted to targeting the Arabs. They want the drones to attack the TTP leadership, the Uzbek/Tajik/Turkmen, Punjabi and Pakhtun Taliban</b>. I have heard even religious people of Waziristan cursing the jihad and welcoming even Indian or Israeli support to help them get rid of the TTP and foreign militants. The TTP and foreign militants had made them hostages and occupied their houses by force. The Taliban have publicly killed even the religious scholars in Waziristan.

 

I have yet to come across a non-TTP resident of Waziristan who supports the Taliban or al Qaeda. Till recently they were terrified by the TTP to the extent that they would not open their mouth to oppose them. But now, having been displaced and out of their reach, some of them speak against them openly and many more than before in private conversations. They express their fear of the intelligence agencies of Pakistan whenever speaking against the Taliban. They see the two as two sides of the same coin.

 

What we read and hear in the print and electronic media of Pakistan about drone attacks as a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty or resulting in killing innocent civilians is not true so far as the people of Waziristan are concerned. According to them, al Qaeda and the TTP are dead scared of drone attacks and their leadership spends sleepless nights. This is a cause of pleasure for the tormented people of Waziristan.

 

Moreover, al Qaeda and the Taliban have done everything to stop the drone attacks by killing hundreds of innocent civilians on the pretext of their being American spies. They thought that by overwhelming the innocent people of Waziristan with terror tactics they would deter any potential informer, but they have failed. On many occasions the Taliban and al Qaeda have killed the alleged US spies in front of crowds of hundreds, even thousands of tribesmen. Interestingly, no one in Pakistan has raised objection to killings of the people of Waziristan on charges of spying for the US. This, the people of Waziristan informed, is a source of torture for them that their fellow Pakistanis condemn the killing of the terrorists but fall into deadly silence over the routine murders of tribesmen accused of spying for the US by the terrorists occupying their land.