The Dutch To Reclassify High-Strength Cannabis

  On 10/17/2011 at 3:45 AM, dr lopez said:

Has anyone ever told you that your username is really ironic?

 

edit: and I mean that in the nicest way possible

huh? Why?

so basically shittier weed with a better balance between the two = more fun and less dangerous?

hmm, cost effective!

it aint just thc and cbd. a lot goes into the composition of the herb, hence a wild array of different strains. different terpene profile leads to different 'flavours', but yes, the idea of focusing merely on THC % to give a 'better' high is just stupid, and a closed view. the crack with weed is that youve just got to try it yourself, the different strains, the effects it personally gives you. don't rely on a number to make your mind up

then given all the factors that can affect the plant, such as cross breeding, random shit happening during pollination, type of care given to it, nutes etc.

each plant is very different

This post was fuelled by cannabis

The fact of the matter is you can still, without much ado, acquire ganj if you want it. So whats the problem?

how much ado is required? i don't know how many i have :(

Yeah i see what you mean. Maybe file under 'stupid 1st world problems...'

  On 10/16/2011 at 2:47 AM, candlestickmaker said:

whiskey is legal as well...

 

Yeah, but the only thing whiskey does is make you manly.

  On 10/17/2011 at 4:37 PM, ZeroHour said:

it aint just thc and cbd. a lot goes into the composition of the herb, hence a wild array of different strains. different terpene profile leads to different 'flavours', but yes, the idea of focusing merely on THC % to give a 'better' high is just stupid, and a closed view. the crack with weed is that youve just got to try it yourself, the different strains, the effects it personally gives you. don't rely on a number to make your mind up

 

then given all the factors that can affect the plant, such as cross breeding, random shit happening during pollination, type of care given to it, nutes etc.

each plant is very different

 

quality post...

i'm so sad down in europe you almost only find indica weed, which makes me way to lazy and paranoid and socialy ill. i love strong sativa strains, they really motivate me and are like a complet different drug. but it's so hard to find. i guess i need start growing my own stuff, also because of all the brix shit and stuff they put in these days.

but actually i'm sober quite a while now so i don't really care... just a little

Fuck, I didn't realize there were so many stoners on here.

  On 10/17/2011 at 9:26 PM, chimera slot mom said:

Fuck, I didn't realize there were so many stoners on here.

I don't really think so, see:

http://forum.watmm.com/topic/69013-drugs-electronic-music-culture

This is a fuss about nothing. The Finns.have stopped my local bar from selling Lonkero.

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  On 10/17/2011 at 3:45 PM, lumpenprol said:

  On 10/17/2011 at 3:45 AM, dr lopez said:

Has anyone ever told you that your username is really ironic?

 

edit: and I mean that in the nicest way possible

 

huh? Why?

well maybe not that ironic but going on about recreational drugs, your well-written and astute movie reviews, your google stock... no proletariat there.

  On 10/9/2011 at 1:28 PM, Salvatorin said:

I've experienced some terrible, truly nightmarish highs in the past that I attribute to being completely unaware as to the potency of marijuana and its strain.

Ditto.

The Green never agreed with me. Like some of you I have tripped my fucking nuts off on weed, which then sent me even deeper into a paranoid hole as the effect was so strong, I thought it had been laced with someother psychotic drug. Hence my brain gets even more tangled in knots and further down the spiral I fell.

Natural bush is fine, that skunk stuff? Forget it.

Best smoke I had was in northern India, fresh hash-hish or charas as it's known it was all soft and rubbery like liquiorice.

A mate of mine lost the plot in South Africa, endlessly smoking Durban Poison and mixing it with those (infamous) strong anti-malaral tablets, which are now banned (I think). He went cuckoo.

holy shit, Mefloquine hydrochloride and weed is a terrible idea.

  On 10/18/2011 at 6:17 PM, dr lopez said:

well maybe not that ironic but going on about recreational drugs, your well-written and astute movie reviews, your google stock... no proletariat there.

oh, lol...well nothing says being snobby more than "slumming it" and finding the chic in the worker's struggle. So maybe I'm consistent, but just more of an ass than I realized

Firstly, I have a strong inclination to think that a lot of these "psychological episodes" have been caused in people who have used a wide array of drugs. Also, regardless of the weed it is your fault for taking too much. I don't really think it is even relevant to say that it caused you harm because you caused yourself harm. It is like when you make a fire. You don't just throw a gallon of gasoline on a load of C4. You are careful because you have been taught your whole life to respect the inherent danger in fire. You made the mistake of losing respect for the "fire" with which you were playing. When someone burns to death we don't make fire illegal we make note of the idiot, may they rest in peace, who made an obvious mistake.

Why don't we focus on educating people about drugs and their effects. Did anyone take a class in school that was focused on the actual scientific data and even some true anecdotal evidence related to drugs? Don't you think that is terrible gap in education? They are supposed to prepare us for life not hide the things that squares are afraid to even mention. What are drugs Lord Voldemort or something?

The true path to social liberty is based on truth and education not some one-sided view of the world.

  On 10/17/2011 at 4:07 PM, xxx said:

I've always thought that this was a good example of how the quest for higher THC ends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cAFRAX3Gs

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morbid|ˈmôrbəd|adjective1 characterized by or appealing to an abnormal and unhealthy interest in disturbing and unpleasant subjects, esp. death and disease

nothing like a little dip into insanity to get the adrenaline flowin. *injects pure thc intravenously*

  On 10/19/2011 at 4:57 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

squares

lol

Not entirely relevant to this thread, but on the same track. The government finally replied to the whitehouse.gov We The People petitions regarding marijuana legalization.

https://wwws.whiteho...izing-marijuana

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OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE RESPONSE TO

Legalize and Regulate Marijuana in a Manner Similar to Alcohol. and 7 other petitions

What We Have to Say About Legalizing Marijuana

 

By: Gil Kerlikowske

 

When the President took office, he directed all of his policymakers to develop policies based on science and research, not ideology or politics. So our concern about marijuana is based on what the science tells us about the drug's effects.

 

According to scientists at the National Institutes of Health- the world's largest source of drug abuse research - marijuana use is associated with addiction, respiratory disease, and cognitive impairment. We know from an array of treatment admission information and Federal data that marijuana use is a significant source for voluntary drug treatment admissions and visits to emergency rooms. Studies also reveal that marijuana potency has almost tripled over the past 20 years, raising serious concerns about what this means for public health – especially among young people who use the drug because research shows their brains continue to develop well into their 20's. Simply put, it is not a benign drug.

 

Like many, we are interested in the potential marijuana may have in providing relief to individuals diagnosed with certain serious illnesses. That is why we ardently support ongoing research into determining what components of the marijuana plant can be used as medicine. To date, however, neither the FDA nor the Institute of Medicine have found smoked marijuana to meet the modern standard for safe or effective medicine for any condition.

 

As a former police chief, I recognize we are not going to arrest our way out of the problem. We also recognize that legalizing marijuana would not provide the answer to any of the health, social, youth education, criminal justice, and community quality of life challenges associated with drug use.

 

That is why the President's National Drug Control Strategy is balanced and comprehensive, emphasizing prevention and treatment while at the same time supporting innovative law enforcement efforts that protect public safety and disrupt the supply of drugs entering our communities. Preventing drug use is the most cost-effective way to reduce drug use and its consequences in America. And, as we've seen in our work through community coalitions across the country, this approach works in making communities healthier and safer. We're also focused on expanding access to drug treatment for addicts. Treatment works. In fact, millions of Americans are in successful recovery for drug and alcoholism today. And through our work with innovative drug courts across the Nation, we are improving our criminal justice system to divert non-violent offenders into treatment.

 

Our commitment to a balanced approach to drug control is real. This last fiscal year alone, the Federal Government spent over $10 billion on drug education and treatment programs compared to just over $9 billion on drug related law enforcement in the U.S.

 

Thank you for making your voice heard. I encourage you to take a moment to read about the President's approach to drug control to learn more.

 

Resources:

• National Institutes of Health, National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)
  
• Marijuana Facts (ONDCP)
  
• Drug Abuse Warning Network (HHS)
  
• Treatment Episode Data Set (HHS)
  
• National Survey on Drug Use and Health (HHS)
  
• Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan
  

Gil Kerlikowske is Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy

wow some "FACTS" ....

I'm pretty sure the entire second paragraph can be negated with one word: ALCOHOL

Negated? Obviously, almost anything can relate to alcohol as well. But this doesn't negate Obama's policy. At best, it makes his policy inconsistent. But negated? No, I don't see anything contradicting his policy.

  On 10/29/2011 at 6:09 PM, goDel said:

Negated? Obviously, almost anything can relate to alcohol as well. But this doesn't negate Obama's policy. At best, it makes his policy inconsistent. But negated? No, I don't see anything contradicting his policy.

The second paragraph is about the risks and dangers of marijuana, not the policy?

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According to scientists at the National Institutes of Health- the world's largest source of drug abuse research - marijuana use is associated with addiction, respiratory disease, and cognitive impairment. We know from an array of treatment admission information and Federal data that marijuana use is a significant source for voluntary drug treatment admissions and visits to emergency rooms. Studies also reveal that marijuana potency has almost tripled over the past 20 years, raising serious concerns about what this means for public health – especially among young people who use the drug because research shows their brains continue to develop well into their 20's. Simply put, it is not a benign drug.

Respiratory disease isn't a side-affect of alcohol, but liver disease is. The other two are basically the same as alcohol. Voluntary treatment and emergency room visits? Check, I see these on an almost daily basis through my job, at least 10-fold more due to alcohol than weed. Potency is worrisome? Meh, there's everything from wine-coolers to grain alcohol. Not everyone is smoking crazy good hashish or high potency strains. Brain development inhibited by alcohol? Fact. By marijuana? Speculation.

Every reason they have for keeping marijuana illegal could easily apply to alcohol but it doesn't...

I thought you meant "negating" Obama's policies wrt. marijuana. What else was there to negate? The text was pretty factual. And again, could obviously apply to alcohol too. That last point was clear.