New Warp Signing - My Best Fiend

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:43 AM, sirch said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:40 AM, oscillik said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:36 AM, sirch said:

i don't know, though, they still seem to me at least to be an electronic label still. mostly.

i mean they put out Ae every 2 years with seemingly no fuss at all..?

and if they could release BoC and Aphex every year i'm sure they would.

we've had Plaid recently, at last... and Leila's coming soon. - 2 of the 'old school'.

 

Yeah you're right, that's a shit-ton of electronic music releases

 

 

lol, but why would you want a shit-ton, anyway?

I don't want a shit-ton, I was just pointing out that the examples you said (which was only 3 examples of artists that are actually putting out music) don't really justify Warp as being mainly an electronic label.

To be entirely fair, it's probably a 40/60 split (or thereabouts) with regard to which artists on the roster are not really considered electronic based, compared to those that are.

I'm not assburger enough to actually go through and cross reference it all though.

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:47 AM, sirch said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:43 AM, luke viia said:

sirch, that phenomenon is not restricted to idm. it takes a while for things to catch on, for a style's popularity to gain momentum, and for the general public's ears to adjust.

 

also, ffs people, music styles don't "die," they just move out of the spotlight

 

i know that. it happens with most 'underground' music.

IDM was always a bullshit term anyway. for pretentious kids and journalists.

glad we see eye to eye here

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:48 AM, oscillik said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:43 AM, sirch said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:40 AM, oscillik said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:36 AM, sirch said:

i don't know, though, they still seem to me at least to be an electronic label still. mostly.

i mean they put out Ae every 2 years with seemingly no fuss at all..?

and if they could release BoC and Aphex every year i'm sure they would.

we've had Plaid recently, at last... and Leila's coming soon. - 2 of the 'old school'.

 

Yeah you're right, that's a shit-ton of electronic music releases

 

 

lol, but why would you want a shit-ton, anyway?

 

I don't want a shit-ton, I was just pointing out that the examples you said (which was only 3 examples of artists that are actually putting out music) don't really justify Warp as being mainly an electronic label.

 

To be entirely fair, it's probably a 40/60 split (or thereabouts) with regard to which artists on the roster are not really considered electronic based, compared to those that are.

 

I'm not assburger enough to actually go through and cross reference it all though.

Lol

and yeah i only mentioned 2 or 3 because i didn't think it was such a serious debate.

apologies.

please, show me some graphs and bar charts that will corroborate your theory.

...

I have had an awakening.

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:47 AM, sirch said:

IDM was always a bullshit term anyway. for pretentious kids and journalists.

This. I can't believe people are still throwing it around tbh.

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:57 AM, Audioblysk said:

...

I have had an awakening.

LOL

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:18 AM, Lucy Faringold said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:47 AM, sirch said:

IDM was always a bullshit term anyway. for pretentious kids and journalists.

 

This. I can't believe people are still throwing it around tbh.

IDM is to generalize a certain branch of electronic music, i hate when people act like the term is "below them" stop acting so pretentious.

I feel as if Warp should have raised its standards though. I remember when they signed Grizzly Bear and I was really excited that the prestigious electronic label would take risks. it ended up being a smart move and probably very profitable for them. But after checking that song out I was extemly shocked at how bad it was...

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:34 AM, YO303 said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:18 AM, Lucy Faringold said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:47 AM, sirch said:

IDM was always a bullshit term anyway. for pretentious kids and journalists.

 

This. I can't believe people are still throwing it around tbh.

 

IDM is to generalize a certain branch of electronic music, i hate when people act like the term is "below them" stop acting so pretentious.

suggesting you are above those who consider IDM to be a pretentious term. stop acting so pretentious

But its true, ever since wikipedia says Richard said IDM is a bullshit term all of the pretentious pricks started hating of the term.

I understand IDM sounds stupid but the meaning of the word has been warped (no pun), now its just used to describe a "kind of electronic music" (whatever that means).

I agree, it does have a specific referent that otherwise wouldn't really have a name

Coffee shop music is in vogue now.

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:43 AM, YO303 said:

But its true, ever since wikipedia says Richard said IDM is a bullshit term all of the pretentious pricks started hating of the term.

 

I understand IDM sounds stupid but the meaning of the word has been warped (no pun), now its just used to describe a "kind of electronic music" (whatever that means).

more to the point, it was wrong right from the start. it doesn't just sound stupid. it's plain wrong AND stupid. always was.

nothing to do with Richard and fucking wikipedia. lol

  On 1/6/2012 at 5:27 AM, sirch said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:43 AM, YO303 said:

But its true, ever since wikipedia says Richard said IDM is a bullshit term all of the pretentious pricks started hating of the term.

 

I understand IDM sounds stupid but the meaning of the word has been warped (no pun), now its just used to describe a "kind of electronic music" (whatever that means).

 

more to the point, it was wrong right from the start. it doesn't just sound stupid. it's plain wrong AND stupid. always was.

nothing to do with Richard and fucking wikipedia. lol

“Intelligent dance music” is a very dumb term if you actually take it to mean what the words say, but “IDM” as a convenient abbreviation for post-Artificial Intelligence electronic instrumental home listening music I think is very valuable. Not because the letters mean anything, but because there is a certain ‘something’ to the late-90s / early-2000s that I think stands out as a separate worthwhile musical movement. We could call it “flooflub” if you want, as long as we can call it something.

Too lazy to multiquote, but someone said something about IDMishness being everywhere now and that's why it's no longer its own separate thing. It's true that a lot of glitchy (or IDM-y, again, fill in whatever word you want here) sounds have been _appropriated_ but that doesn't mean that in their new homes in Kesha songs or whatever the fuck that they MEAN the same thing as they used to mean. So the glitches, details, twists & turns, etc. used to be INTERESTING and part of the CONTENT of the IDMz songz we all love, but now they are in the background and used as stylistic references or window dressing in genres that are _about_ completely different things.

To put it another way, the interest in microscopic “IDM-y” sounds used to be genuine and innocent, and now it's cynical and shallow. The sounds don't have to change, just the context. It becomes like a fashion thing, like a neat accessory to hang on the song that signifies something to “consumers” of the music. I think a similar thing happened to drum and bass and how it went from some of the edgiest, most creative stuff around to “action movie fight scene music” while (and here's the key) NOT ACTUALLY changing how it sounded THAT MUCH.

That's why I think Warp had to change in some way. As someone else said, they couldn't just keep trotting out the same styles, when “freshness” used to be one of the appeals of those styles and nowadays there are fucking beat repeat snare rushes in every Jeep ad.

The issue for me is that Warp could have remained true to the spirit of its own sound and adapted to the times in a more sincere way. They could have cultivated new styles more, gone all digital, worked their way into more technological types of media (interactive websites of music, some bullshit like that), or they could have just shrunk the label and their ambitions when it became clear that they weren't going to be selling 20,000 copies of each new Autechre album anymore.

I mean, cool, minimal, weird, hardcore, surprising, headfucky music still exists and is put out; look at raster-noton. So there was a decision that was made, even if it was unspoken.

2¢

  On 1/6/2012 at 5:09 AM, RadarJammer said:

Coffee shop music is in vogue now.

this just reminded me that my mom refers to hipsters, twee and indie teens, aging 'put-a-bird-on-it' artists with etsy accounts, all collectively as "coffee shop kids"

  On 1/6/2012 at 6:12 AM, joshuatxuk said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 5:09 AM, RadarJammer said:

Coffee shop music is in vogue now.

 

this just reminded me that my mom refers to hipsters, twee and indie teens, aging 'put-a-bird-on-it' artists with etsy accounts, all collectively as "coffee shop kids"

Apparently the new “put a bird on it!” for season two is going to be “we can pickle that!” Dead on, if you ask me.

Maybe a better example for my subsuming of the idmz argument is the blues. The blues used to be a really vital genre with a large community of artists. Then, it got absorbed by rock and roll (among other things) in this weird way— rock and roll can definitely be “bluesy”, but the way rock and roll _works_ (and in another sense what rock and roll is “for”) is nothing like how the blues worked at all. And yet one style now “lives” inside the other one in a fairly shallow way, and if you're still a hardcore old-fashioned blues-man nowadays you seem like a wacky throwback nutjob.

  On 1/6/2012 at 6:18 AM, Ascdi said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 6:12 AM, joshuatxuk said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 5:09 AM, RadarJammer said:

Coffee shop music is in vogue now.

 

this just reminded me that my mom refers to hipsters, twee and indie teens, aging 'put-a-bird-on-it' artists with etsy accounts, all collectively as "coffee shop kids"

Apparently the new “put a bird on it!” for season two is going to be “we can pickle that!” Dead on, if you ask me.

Haha nice. My wife and I bought my parents season 1 of Portlandia for xmas and we put birds all over the box.

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:43 AM, YO303 said:

I understand IDM sounds stupid but the meaning of the word has been warped (no pun), now its just used to describe a "kind of electronic music" (whatever that means).

"I understand Intelligent Dance Music sounds stupid but..."

This needs to be at the top of every page next to the logo.

When someone says "IDM" we know what they are referring to. The term was stupid to begin with, but it's meaning is kind of seperate from its origin at this point. Truth.

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:15 AM, Backson said:

Warp ain't dead, they still have the best.

 

But the best don't release often and don't bring in the cash like the indie bands do.

the best what? aside from nursing oldies like ae and squarepusher, what is warp's contribution to the world? please don't tell me it's rustie or bibio. ever since signing that maximo park band and jumping the pitchfork bandwagon they're doing worse than 4ad.

  On 1/6/2012 at 9:47 AM, Candiru said:

When someone says "IDM" we know what they are referring to. The term was stupid to begin with, but it's meaning is kind of seperate from its origin at this point. Truth.

This

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:43 AM, luke viia said:

also, ffs people, music styles don't "die,"

Painting does though.

Industrial died though.

When someone who's not fimilar with teh IDUMZ asks what kind of music I like. I just say I listen to Experimental Electronic Music. Because that's what it is.

It still sound a bit pretenious. But not as much as Intelligent Dance Music.

I personally like Electronic Listening Music ..