Aphex Twin Unreleased Ambient Works 1985-2012 etc.

Please say yes!

  On 2/27/2012 at 1:40 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

Yo303 there's very clearly a difference from being "influenced" by someone and going out of your way to copy them. do you want me to state that same point in five more different ways?

Yes please.

You are an AFX fanboy that thinks everyone is the electronic music scene is copying him while ignoring AFX's blatant rip-offs.

*high five brofists with extra slices of pizza*

edit: friggin autocorrection turned brofist into profist.... :/

  On 2/27/2012 at 1:30 AM, YO303 said:

You know nothing .. Its not just Lichen, its almost his whole catalogue. AFX was and still is influenced by other artists (there is nothing wrong with that but you seem to think AFX invented electronic music)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F8YaKqoqZI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zRM3gdiJ9E

In addition to that, compare those two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRa3oId_d-Q

We are basically always under somebody's influence, and that is inevitable. We can try to be as original/inventive as possible, but we're still under the influence of other people's work. And I don't think that is a bad thing at all. The real goal should in my opinion be to try to understand the meaning/the purpose of some music. People are nowadays turning things upside down. I don't make ambient techno/IDM stuff because of RDJ, but because I like that kind of music, and that is the reason why I listen to him! Of course, I may be and am influenced by him, but he produces the music I want to hear, and that's why I listen to him, and also because I like that kind of music I'll make music in those veins, while trying of course to be as original/inventive as possible. I see music as a enjoyment and expression of my own ideas, not as something we should argue about whether it's ripped-off or not. When you see how many people go to artists's concerts, that means something - that means that all those people have something in common, so it's not in my opinion strange at all that more people would come up with a very similar/almost identical idea. It's this greedy, capitalistic world, which is anti-artistic in my opinion, because art itself doesn't matter, but only money is important. In this world, where everybody is seen as a potential plagiarist and rip-offer, art cannot live as it should.

Also, here are the extractions from Autechre's 2008 interview (http://www.barcodezi...20Interview.htm):

"Maybe if I throw a name at you like Chris Clark, a label mate of yours? Well, to be fair – I don’t listen to it shitloads, but I check out the new stuff. I think because we’ve been at it so long, we can see a flag being flung up where we know it’s third generation Warp or second generation electronic/IDM – I mean I hate that term, when it was coined in the early or mid-nineties, it was already outdated, it was a silly term. Every now and again you hear something; I mean Jackson was nice, but unfortunately it was overused and I heard the shit aspects on TV. Clark’s nice yeah, but in a way it’s a bit too knowing – there’s a blueprint just being used natively that wouldn’t normally be natural, but then I guess some people could say that about us, because Kraftwerk, Eno, Keith LeBlanc and Tangerine Dream had already existed for 15 years before we started doing stuff, so we were pretty late in the day."

"Kraftwerk’s probably the reference point for nearly all electronic music really, would you be proud if one day they said Autechre was considered a reference point? It’s hard to say, because it’s all electronic isn’t it? I mean Richard James, when he came out with Didgeridoo, even Locust and people like that were already shaking the ground with new ideas and feelings. But at the same time if you play something like Selected Ambient Works alongside Eno’s Apollo or Music for Films you’ll find complete evidence of the same ideas. It’s not to say they’re being ripped off, it’s just that some people can stumble across the same thing. I mean, let’s face it, we’re all like sheep in a high tech world in that we’ve all got the same gear now, we’ve all heard of DX7s, an MPC or an Apple Mac. It’s a weird world we live in; if you want to be super-cynical about it, we’re all fucking clones - do you know what I mean? "

They said it well.

Just read the interview above you, maybe then only then you will understand the concept on "being influenced by".

Cliffs >> Lizzard

And I'm not actively trying to come up with a new kind of paper rocks scissors, btw.

  On 2/27/2012 at 1:59 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

jesus fucking christ i get that people are going to be influenced by others. you fucking moron

 

i am not running a fucking label that consists entirely of blatant afx rip offs designed to deliberately rip off aphex twin

 

 

That's a sad way of looking at things. Their label is not designed to deliberately rip-off Aphex Twin, yes their sound is influenced by AFX but its just people doing what they love. With your logic Kettel only exists to rip-off the RDJ album (which is not true, he is just influenced by that album)

fight fight fight

  On 2/27/2012 at 1:59 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

jesus fucking christ i get that people are going to be influenced by others. you fucking moron

 

i am not running a fucking label that consists entirely of blatant afx rip offs designed to deliberately rip off aphex twin

 

difference

 

difference

 

difference

 

you stupid miserable patronising cunt

hey, simmer down man, throw a few shrimps on the barbee and shut the fuck up why dontcha!

  On 2/27/2012 at 1:31 AM, goDel said:

Just being a dick here, but no they shouldn't. They should do what they like. And you likewise. Meaning, listening to some other stuff.

 

What I do find interesting though, is that in some places these tracks were pretty close to the SAW1 stuff. Uniquely so, IMO. So how come we haven't heard more people doing this already? Apparently some skill was actually there.

anybody can draw a 'still life', if you look at it (or in this case listen to it) enough times.

Yeah yeah, and the monkey is accidentally writing a Shakespeare novel. Well played there. And incidentally, with the amount of output BOC has been generating they might have actually be turned into monkeys!!

also, when did Megan Fox become a total wanker?

  On 2/27/2012 at 2:14 AM, sirch said:

also, when did Megan Fox become a total wanker?

i'd let her wank me. I don't know if that's applicable here though.

Right after her hand went into my pants. Now please stop derailing this thread and tell us how much you love gingerbeard!

  On 2/27/2012 at 2:13 AM, goDel said:

Yeah yeah, and the monkey is accidentally writing a Shakespeare novel. Well played there. And incidentally, with the amount of output BOC has been generating they might have actually be turned into monkeys!!

they're not monkeys. they're just copy cats. there's loads of 'em, everywhere. these aren't the first lot to rip off SAW/Aphex.......

and they won't be the last.

  On 2/27/2012 at 1:59 AM, goDel said:

Cliffs >> Lizzard

 

And I'm not actively trying to come up with a new kind of paper rocks scissors, btw.

Lol. My point was the similarity of those two. I personally like them both equally. SAW2 and Ambient 4 are my favourite ambient albums ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaBMbdUnBec

  On 2/27/2012 at 2:16 AM, goDel said:

Right after her hand went into my pants. Now please stop derailing this thread and tell us how much you love gingerbeard!

i love gingerbread a lot.

awwww

go del, you are shit.

Sirch, you are pretty good at stating the obvious. I'm glad you're under my ignore button!

  On 2/27/2012 at 1:59 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

jesus fucking christ i get that people are going to be influenced by others. you fucking moron

 

i am not running a fucking label that consists entirely of blatant afx rip offs designed to deliberately rip off aphex twin

 

difference

 

difference

 

difference

 

you stupid miserable patronising cunt

You can state your opinion without being so abusive...

I'd like to try to offer a bit of balance to this argument.

On the one hand... I think it is ignorant to think that rip-off does not exist and there is only "influence". This happens in all forms of art. Are you saying that if someone painted a man with an orange covering his face without acknowledging Rene Margritte at all, that this is merely a case of someone being "influenced" by him? If I was to put a label on it, influence means taking some of the key ideas explored by one artist and building upon, altering or mixing it with other ideas to create something new. Ripping off an artist is taking the same ideas and using those exact same ideas, completely unaltered, to make something new but very similar to what already existed.

On the other hand... I don't think anything I've heard form this label sounds even remotely like Aphex Twin, from ANY era but ESPECIALLY not early 90's. I mean, NO ONE believed that those mixes were by Aphex Twin and there's a good reason for it.

That said... I didn't end up listening to a lot of the mixes... just the first 5 or 6 tracks from the first one. It sounds more like early 2000 mp3.com IDM/ambient to me.