Kony 2012

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:14 PM, Kanakori said:

I'm against imperialism in any form, and imperialism is what has been destroying Africa for the last centuries. Nowdays its the chinese Imperialism, almost any country in Africa has debts with them because the chinese never give up anything for free. This campaign encourages an american invasion at the request of people alll around the world who think they're RIGHT. Until a country's governement expresses its will to be helped by the white house, its a violation of sovereignty. In some cases, a government doesnt express the peoples will, as in a dictatorship but in uganda the case is very ambiguous and nobody knows if "democracy" will follow its course naturally afterwards without the American manipulation.

So you are basically saying we don't know how democracy naturally manifests itself, therefore your hypothesis must be correct due to lack of evidence to the contrary?

you criticize attempts to aid the African population in some direct manner (whether of clear and honest motives or not), and yet you have absolutely nothing to contribute in terms of possible solutions other than vague platitudes about "leaving Africa alone" and letting democracy manifest naturally.

For all the bile you spew out towards America, you would fit right in amongst the neoconservative wing of our government with rhetoric like this.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:15 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:12 PM, Kanakori said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:07 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:06 PM, Kanakori said:

I'm not being objective? How come? I said that extending their survival wont develop the country, only schooling and industry wiill.

 

That's incredibly circular logic. What is the purpose of schooling and industry if not to extend the potential for survival?

 

Develop the communities as human beings to put them at the same level as the rest of the worlds nations to finally have a fair system.

 

how do you create a healthy labor force when there is no sustainable agricultural system in place? how do you sustain a labor force to create an agricultural system?

By supporting the communities, building infastructures,schools most importantly with occidental teaching (there are protocols for that not very successful however), employing them in our occidental industries, forgive their debts instead of making them pay those with oil and natural resources, fund local culture, create national icons etc, You must understand most of these countries ae in ruins and they're far from being autonomous, but it isnt by giving away food and toothbrushes (as I have seen in some charity panflet once) that you will change anything.

That doesn't sound anything like the bandaid solution I signed up for..

Also most countries in africa have enough land to be auto-sufficient, and if they don't they usually have something else, like an enourmous sea extension. In any case, almost all the of them can invest in tourism of various kinds. So, if these rich guys real want to help they should start there.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:23 PM, Kanakori said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:15 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:12 PM, Kanakori said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:07 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:06 PM, Kanakori said:

I'm not being objective? How come? I said that extending their survival wont develop the country, only schooling and industry wiill.

 

That's incredibly circular logic. What is the purpose of schooling and industry if not to extend the potential for survival?

 

Develop the communities as human beings to put them at the same level as the rest of the worlds nations to finally have a fair system.

 

how do you create a healthy labor force when there is no sustainable agricultural system in place? how do you sustain a labor force to create an agricultural system?

 

By supporting the communities, building infastructures,schools most importantly with occidental teaching (there are protocols for that not very successful however), employing them in our occidental industries, forgive their debts instead of making them pay them with oil and natural resources, fund local culture, create national icons etc, You must understand most of these countries ae in ruins and they're far from being autonomous, but it is by giving away food and toothbrushes (as I have seen in some charity panflet once) that you will change anything.

ok, where to start with this?

building infrastructure- with what? who supplies the means to create it? and these people will do it without expecting anything in return? has there ever been a historical precedent for this? who is being objective here?

occidental teaching-what does this even mean? this could easily be construed as "white man's burden" nonsense.

fund local culture- this has to be the most vague premise I have heard on here in recent history. Whose culture? How do you "fund" culture? And yet funding is never supposed to have undue influence on this culture?

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:14 PM, Kanakori said:

I'm against imperialism in any form,

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:23 PM, Kanakori said:

 

 

 

building ... schools most importantly with occidental teaching (there are protocols for that not very successful however), employing them in our occidental industries,

LOL

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:25 PM, roasty said:

That doesn't sound anything like the bandaid solution I signed up for..

its an even bigger, more translucent band-aid.

I emailed Pete Singer to ask him to take a moment to stop kissing his dog on the mouth and talk to us all about the ethical dilemmas of world poverty, but he hasn't responded yet.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:28 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:14 PM, Kanakori said:

I'm against imperialism in any form,

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:23 PM, Kanakori said:

building ... schools most importantly with occidental teaching (there are protocols for that not very successful however), employing them in our occidental industries,

 

LOL

As for the schooling, the knowledge must come from somewhere, either they come to the occident to instruct themselves, or we go there, in any case, the basic schooling is very important. As for the occidental industries, they're aldready there, its just that frequently they don't employ locals or try to help the communities in any form like in the chinese case. The chinese are even worse than americans in this, they send chinese presidiaries and criminals to work there for free, its a demographic and cultural disaster for the country at stake,

look, kanakori, I like you, so please don't take offense to what I am saying. You don't seem to be very informed on how the world or geopolitics works whatsoever.

complete nihilism. start from there and work your way up.

all opinions are hopelessly misguided. there are no black children, there is no Africa, there are no activists. you do if you do, you do if you don't. I say both options are equally useless.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:36 PM, vamos scorcho said:

complete nihilism. start from there and work your way up.

lol nooooooo......plz do not start from there.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:34 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

look, kanakori, I like you, so please don't take offense to what I am saying. You don't seem to be very informed on how the world or geopolitics works whatsoever.

Haha I know very well what I'm talking about, sorry. But I've learned reallity can be shaped and manipulated very easily.

And most importantly, I know the realities in question very well.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:38 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:36 PM, vamos scorcho said:

complete nihilism. start from there and work your way up.

 

 

lol nooooooo......plz do not start from there.

lol. I'm trying. The more I try to figure out the right opinion the less clear it seems. That's always how it goes for me. In the end what will be done will be done. I think it's pretty undeniable that IC are doing a really good thing, they're an example for the rest of us. That's what I'm "doing" with my words. It pains me to speak positively but there it is. We can change this world, I think a better route is available than focusing on Africa though..

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:40 PM, Kanakori said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:34 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

look, kanakori, I like you, so please don't take offense to what I am saying. You don't seem to be very informed on how the world or geopolitics works whatsoever.

 

Haha I know very well what I'm talking about, sorry. But I've learned reallity can be shaped and manipulated very easily.

 

And most importantly, I know the realities in question very well.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:40 PM, vamos scorcho said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:38 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:36 PM, vamos scorcho said:

complete nihilism. start from there and work your way up.

 

 

lol nooooooo......plz do not start from there.

 

lol. I'm trying. The more I try to figure out the right opinion the less clear it seems. That's always how it goes for me. In the end what will be done will be done. I think it's pretty undeniable that IC are doing a really good thing, they're an example for the rest of us. That's what I'm "doing" with my words. It pains me to speak positively but there it is. We can change this world, I think a better route is available than focusing on Africa though..

awesome. its the first step. and there's no shame in saying it...We can change this world for the better, that doesn't in anyway guarantee or posit that we will change the world for the better.

kanakori, might I suggest that you publish your treatise somewhere? Seriously, if what you say works and you can make it more detailed...you might end up becoming the most significant thinker/activist in the past millenia. I wish you luck.

I was expressing my opinion about this specific problem, I don't have anything written nor I know if I can extend it to something as big as a thesis. Also, there are aldready enough theories and articles about third world development. But I know my arguments are supported by what i've seen and lived. While most people that criticized me in this thread have only seen poverty in banners, panflets and documentaries. Of course Its an assumption but again, i'm pretty sure i'm right.

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:33 PM, Kanakori said:

 

 

As for the schooling, the knowledge must come from somewhere, either they come to the occident to instruct themselves, or we go there,

Imperialist!

Damnit guys, you could've just clicked like on the video and moved on like normal people. Didn't have to gay it up here with your practical solutions

First world (pretend we care about) problems

  On 3/8/2012 at 10:57 PM, Kanakori said:

I was expressing my opinion about this specific problem, I don't have anything written nor I know if I can extend it to something as big as a thesis. Also, there are aldready enough theories and articles about third world development. But I know my arguments are supported by what i've seen and lived. While most people that criticized me in this thread have only seen poverty in banners, panflets and documentaries. Of course Its an assumption but again, i'm pretty sure i'm right.

two words: Cherry Hill.

you are a waste of time.

Thats quite ofensive

Have you been to Africa?

  On 3/9/2012 at 3:11 AM, Kanakori said:

Thats quite ofensive

 

Have you been to Africa?

Are you suggesting that Africa is the only place on earth that has experienced poverty? Do you see your complete failure to uphold your earlier claim of "objective" analysis? Do you see why I am annoyed and dismayed with your thought process?

No, but we were talking about Africa. Maybe I should have said africa instead of poverty, because the places difffer in nature. it still It doesnt make my arguments less valid.

  On 3/9/2012 at 3:11 AM, Kanakori said:

Thats quite ofensive

 

Have you been to Africa?

I have been to Africa yes, for the world cup and it was lovely.

  On 3/9/2012 at 3:18 AM, Kanakori said:

No, but we were talking about Africa. Maybe I should have said africa instead of poverty, because the places difffer in nature. However It doesnt make my arguments less valid.

You are right on this one. It doesn't make them any less valid; they have been invalid from the first statement of premise.