New Tool record end of year?

lol

to be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand Tool

*blast from the past triggered*

a: very complex, I mean there’s polyrhythms n shit

Tool are the most complex band in the history of the music, they use like LSD and MATH to write songs, also there is a laser show and 3D spiraling visuals when they play live and everything means a lot

I'm working on my IQ level today by listening to Tool, watching Rick & Morty and reading my Jordan Peterson book.

  On 4/18/2018 at 11:30 AM, Stickfigger said:

Re: IQ , how would the participants in this thread rate tool in terms of complexity compared to something like Meshuggah , or Something completely different , Isis ? I have listened to a fair bit of technical /avant metal and never understood the praise Tool gets from this perspective . I love Aenima and lateralus but see this more as straight out alt rock

By Prog standards, no where near the best. They use wonky time signatures, and are good musicians on the other hand. Carey being my favorite from the group.(Not really going on a limb with that one.) When Tool finds a groove in a track, that groove tends to be strong. There's a ton of bands more complex in theory, musicianship & song structure.

  On 4/18/2018 at 11:30 AM, Stickfigger said:

Re: IQ , how would the participants in this thread rate tool in terms of complexity compared to something like Meshuggah , or Something completely different , Isis ? I have listened to a fair bit of technical /avant metal and never understood the praise Tool gets from this perspective . I love Aenima and lateralus but see this more as straight out alt rock

I'd say meshuggah by miles. Tool uses a lot of math but they don't really sound overly complex. I think it contributes to things just sounding like a Tool song vs overly techy stuff like meshuggah. Isis is awesome too. But I think they have a much simpler sound although it got bigger and bigger with each album. I'm a fan of all 3 of these bands. My IQ must be through the roof.

What Jules said. But also,

  On 4/18/2018 at 11:30 AM, Stickfigger said:

Re: IQ , how would the participants in this thread rate tool in terms of complexity compared to something like Meshuggah , or Something completely different , Isis ? I have listened to a fair bit of technical /avant metal and never understood the praise Tool gets from this perspective . I love Aenima and lateralus but see this more as straight out alt rock

I wouldn't rate or compare Tool (or really anyone) in terms of complexity, because that's an insanely vague and pointless metric. Specific complexity, sure, let's talk, but just 'Meshuggah more complex?' well in what fucking ways? More polyrhythmic stuff? Sure, duh. More emotional complexity? Doubt it, not imo. More tonal complexity? No fucking way, Meshuggah's recordings and attention to detail in terms of their 'sound' is often shit. Tool gets praise for being technically interesting because they are without having to sacrifice themselves to the complexity like most of those bands do most of the time: Tool still write good, engaging, emotionally dynamic and just plain catchy songs. A lot of 'technical' bands don't. Much of that is up to specific opinion of course, but that's a general truth.

Isis are very special to me. I've always enjoyed them more than Tool even though they owe a bit to them in terms of exposure.

  On 4/18/2018 at 4:47 PM, auxien said:

What Jules said. But also,

 

  On 4/18/2018 at 11:30 AM, Stickfigger said:

Re: IQ , how would the participants in this thread rate tool in terms of complexity compared to something like Meshuggah , or Something completely different , Isis ? I have listened to a fair bit of technical /avant metal and never understood the praise Tool gets from this perspective . I love Aenima and lateralus but see this more as straight out alt rock

I wouldn't rate or compare Tool (or really anyone) in terms of complexity, because that's an insanely vague and pointless metric. Specific complexity, sure, let's talk, but just 'Meshuggah more complex?' well in what fucking ways? More polyrhythmic stuff? Sure, duh. More emotional complexity? Doubt it, not imo. More tonal complexity? No fucking way, Meshuggah's recordings and attention to detail in terms of their 'sound' is often shit. Tool gets praise for being technically interesting because they are without having to sacrifice themselves to the complexity like most of those bands do most of the time: Tool still write good, engaging, emotionally dynamic and just plain catchy songs. A lot of 'technical' bands don't. Much of that is up to specific opinion of course, but that's a general truth.

well put

  On 4/18/2018 at 5:12 PM, usagi said:

Isis are very special to me. I've always enjoyed them more than Tool even though they owe a bit to them in terms of exposure.

yea, i love them too. not more than tool, but rank them very high. they were amazing live too. i wish they didnt disband, they just kept getting more interesting with each album

  On 4/18/2018 at 1:13 PM, hello spiral said:

I'm working on my IQ level today by listening to Tool, watching Rick & Morty and reading my Jordan Peterson book.

Yeah, you're talking more about Tool fans than Tool. As a Tool fan for over 20 years, I can verify that many Tool fans can be douches. I mean, just look at everyone ITT. ;)

But really, yeah the average Tool fan (of the past at least) is super proud that they listen to crazy complex music that's way more 'difficult' than whatever their friends are into, and they totally get it and are in on the jokes and all. I was like that when I was 16 because, well, I was 16. I was totally an ass about it at times. I moved on. I turn 18 this month and I'm way more mature these days, really totally past that.

new APC leaked apparently

  On 4/18/2018 at 1:30 PM, olo said:

 

  On 4/18/2018 at 11:30 AM, Stickfigger said:

Re: IQ , how would the participants in this thread rate tool in terms of complexity compared to something like Meshuggah , or Something completely different , Isis ? 

 

Danny Carey's drumming is really the only part of Tool that ranks high on the complexity scale imo.  Justin Chancellor's bass playing always compliments it perfectly and augments whatever weirdness Carey might be trying into something that grooves like a motherfucker.  Adam Jones guitar parts are very basic, but his rhythm is pretty much impeccable.  So between the three of them you've got a real powerhouse rhythm section. 

Meshuggah's really holding the monopoly on rhythmic complexity from all angles.

Isis are great, but there's nothing particularly complex going on in their music.  As players they're more viceral, less cerebral.  That's what makes them stand out.

Retarded rock beats IQ rock, every time.

  On 4/18/2018 at 7:44 PM, auxien said:

Yeah, you're talking more about Tool fans than Tool. As a Tool fan for over 20 years, I can verify that many Tool fans can be douches. I mean, just look at everyone ITT. ;)

 

But really, yeah the average Tool fan (of the past at least) is super proud that they listen to crazy complex music that's way more 'difficult' than whatever their friends are into, and they totally get it and are in on the jokes and all. I was like that when I was 16 because, well, I was 16. I was totally an ass about it at times. I moved on. I turn 18 this month and I'm way more mature these days, really totally past that.

Tool and BoC have a lot in common. Their fan base is virtually identical as well.

  On 4/18/2018 at 10:42 PM, Zephyr_Nova said:

Meshuggah's really holding the monopoly on rhythmic complexity from all angles.

tool are tools...

  On 4/19/2018 at 12:05 AM, jules said:

Tool and BoC have a lot in common.

plus the obscurity and all the mythology and the fans rabidly dissecting things looking for clues to whatever they think some hidden message is

10,000 Days > Tomorrow's Harvest

  On 4/19/2018 at 1:07 AM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

 

  On 4/18/2018 at 10:42 PM, Zephyr_Nova said:

Meshuggah's really holding the monopoly on rhythmic complexity from all angles.

compared to what?

 

Other metal bands that are doing unconventional groove shizz.  Even when it's 4/4 all members are doing some crazy syncopated thing.  When other bands are doing this, I still find it relatively easy to follow along, but the Meshuggah brain is wired differently.  I guess I'm thinking of more groove oriented metal specifically, as opposed to bands who are just spastic and change meter/tempo every 30 seconds.  But it's rare that bands like that actually spaz to grooves that particularly unusual.  Of course I'm not taking melodic complexity into account.  None of the aforementioned bands are particularly complex melodically.

  On 4/19/2018 at 6:40 AM, Zephyr_Nova said:

Other metal bands that are doing unconventional groove shizz.

  On 4/19/2018 at 6:40 AM, Zephyr_Nova said:

Other metal bands that are doing unconventional groove shizz.  Even when it's 4/4 all members are doing some crazy syncopated thing.  When other bands are doing this, I still find it relatively easy to follow along, but the Meshuggah brain is wired differently. 

 

Yeah I think you're on to something there. When I finally figure out what the fuck Meshuggah are playing in some of their more complex songs, it's like I've solved a puzzle, and start to hear it as the super syncopated, almost "funky" rhythms that they obviously planned..

Still can't hear Combustion with the 1 in the right place though. I did get it one night when super high though :P

never got into meshuggah but i enjoy this album very much... obviously features drums by Morgan Ågren and keyboards by Mats Öberg, members of the Swedish Mats/Morgan Band.

and although zappa is not considered metal this is a pretty dope metal sounding track:

Wow, I hadn't seen that 1981 video before, awesome! I didn't know Mats & Morgan had been doing stuff together for that long.

And yeah, I really love that Thordendal album, I hope he releases another solo album someday.