kids these days

Sorry Adieu - you haven't learned anything, otherwise you wouldn't be excusing the actions of these kids. They're in middle school, so they're probably 13-15. They should already know the difference between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. This is clearly unacceptable. They are not children anymore.

When I see a video of these kids sincerely apologizing to the woman, that will be a step. It's ridiculous how much we molly-coddle kids these days because we're scared of hurting their feelings. When my daughter (who is seven) is rude to people, she has to apologize, no matter how much she cries to try and get out of it. She knows that she did something wrong and is scared that if she says sorry the other person won't forgive her. That might be the case, but then that's on the other person (as forgiveness is a part of life too). She still has to say sorry, and she has to say what she is sorry for (what she said, or did).

  On 6/21/2012 at 9:37 PM, Atop said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 5:15 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

Please just because some stupid young kids are being assholes doesn't mean they are going to be rapist psychopaths. I think everyone was guilty of doing something shitty and immoral when they were younger. I had a nice period of being a complete cock, but I grew out of it. Also, an adult should know how to handle some dumb ass kids especially if it is her job. I'm not saying these kids aren't stupid assholes though. Also, for all we know this lady could be a bitch everyday. I once had this teacher in middle school who was stupid, inept, inconsistent, and plain unfair a lot the time and when students stopped respecting her and giving her a hard time in class she would cry. Did she deserve to be made to cry? Probably not, but she should have been a better teacher.

 

Moderators??????????

 

 

Probably doesn't deserve this treatment????

 

You are still a piece of shit, you didn;t grow out of it.

 

 

 

WTF!?!?!?!??!

 

 

 

If I would been a witness to this I would be in jail for the rest of my life.

 

 

Fight fire with fire.

Moderators? wtf...

You don't know anything about me. The fact that you can comment and tell me I'm a piece of shit without knowing me shows me that you think immaturely.

I'm sorry let me fall right in line with the rest of the mob. Lets fucking tie these kids up by their legs, beat them with sticks, then throw them in jail. That'll teach'em am I Right?!??!?!

I never once said these kids weren't doing something wrong, but there are always two sides to every story. I was merely entertaining the idea that she might give them shit everyday the way assholes in positions of power tend to do.

I think they should be punished but I would never say I think that criminal charges should be brought against them.

An eye for an eye right? That's real justice. Technically an eye for an eye in this situation would be her saying mean shit to them for 15 minutes...

  On 6/21/2012 at 4:45 PM, Hoodie said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 12:00 PM, Bewarethefriendlyfoil said:

Those kids deserves a good beating, that's for sure. A very nice, good long beating.

 

a beating is only a temporary solution. what you need is give them some type of counseling that will cause them to breakdown and realize what emotionally vicious little shits they really are and why they need to choose a new path in life. maybe spike their diet coke with some lsd so they can finally see how ugly they are on the inside.

 

or you could give them regular beatings.

I haven't excused anything. I am looking at the situation for what it truly is instead of overreacting like the entire country.

And what is it? It is a bunch of teens acting reprehensibly, because they know they will suffer no consequences.

You didn't excuse anything?

"They were talking out of their ass like a bunch of foolish children."

They are not children. They are old enough to understand that words have consequences, and that words can hurt.

The (likely) problem here is emotional detachment from the world. It's scary to emotionally invest yourself in the world and really feel, because you know that you can get hurt. The alternative is living a shallow life where nothing matters, and nothing can touch your void where your soul should reside.

It's very interesting that by entertaining a different idea than all of you that I'm somehow an asshole or cunt or a prick or whatever. 13-15 is still a child. You can't drink, you can't drive, you can't have a job until your around 15, you live with your parents, you don't pay bills, you have almost zero responsibility depending on various factors, your brain isn't fully developed...etc...

The thing is I agree they did something wrong. I agree they should be punished, I am not surprised and I'm not up in arms about it. I realize that this is reality and this happens all the time. I think we've all probably experienced something similar with varying degrees of intensity. I'm just don't understand why everyone is so "OMG I CAN"T BELIEVE THIS THOSE MURDERING PSYCHOPATHS SHOULD BE PUT DOWN LIKE THE ANIMALS THAT THEY ARE" & " THIS IS WHY OUR SOCIETY IS GOING DOWN THE TUBES" & "KID"S THESE DAYS ARE SUCH HORRIBLE CUNTS"

I can't stand the mob justice mentality it is sickening...

If they were my kids they would be doing hard labor as often as I could enforce it for a reasonable period of time. That and we would talk a lot...a whole lot. Just talk.

I think its funny that I've come on these forums voiced my opinion in a civil manner several times and been met with blatant hostility and supposedly I'm a cunt...that makes sense.

Oh, and Chen I think they literally are not smart and mature enough to realize that this could have been an effect to their actions when they were doing it. Otherwise, they probably wouldn't have done it. Their worlds have just been turned upside down. This could keep them from getting into a good school and it also diminishes their opportunities in the future. Kid's don't think like that.

I think it's horrible and those kids are shitty, but I also tend to agree with adieu, there's no need to go overboard. They're stupid kids born in a shallow mindless world probably with shitty people all around them treating them like shit and feeding the media propaganda and other crap to them shredding any self awareness or awareness in general, what would we expect? By doing the hardline punishment in return all we're doing is propagating the 'fuck you' attitude, and it all just goes into a spiral. What's needed is social change and thankfully this does happen in the right context with the right people (a lot of people are great, especially when they get older) etc.

Hopefully most kids grow up to become 'better people

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:04 PM, chenGOD said:

And what is it? It is a bunch of teens acting reprehensibly, because they know they will suffer no consequences.

 

You didn't excuse anything?

"They were talking out of their ass like a bunch of foolish children."

They are not children. They are old enough to understand that words have consequences, and that words can hurt.

 

The (likely) problem here is emotional detachment from the world. It's scary to emotionally invest yourself in the world and really feel, because you know that you can get hurt. The alternative is living a shallow life where nothing matters, and nothing can touch your void where your soul should reside.

I'm not excusing them by calling them foolish children. Are they not indeed acting like foolish children? Because they most definitely are. I don't see adults acting this way towards other adults unless they are about to fight in the street or something.

emotional detachment? Are you really going to go there? Psych evaluate it if you want, but I don't think that this problem is that deep seated. Maybe for the instigator. He might have some real issues going on, but I doubt these 5 or so kids are all suffering from emotional detachment. It probably more a lack of learned cause/effect, immaturity, and down right meanness. Possibly caused by one of their parents treating them in a mean reactive way and teaching them that being temperamental and mean is acceptable.

  On 6/21/2012 at 6:06 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I'm sorry, but there is a lot of misguided bullshit being spewed on this thread.

civil?

Society might not allow those 13-15 to do those things, but mentally and physically, these are not children. They are still developing, yes that is true, but they are old enough to understand that actions have consequences.

How would you enforce hard labour? What if your child said no?

Lol. Shocking that alot of you don't seem at all to get the point of what Adieu is saying?!

1. Kids can be extremely cruel bordering on the sadistic, it's only natural. Especially when they're in a group. Chances are they were more interested in showing off in front of each other. seeing how much they could get away with than actually wanting to hurt her feelings.

2. the woman SHOULD have been more assertive. An adult crying because some kids are calling her names? Come on.... Each time these kind of kids meet with a passive adult like this woman, it's fuel for the fire.

2. Chances are that these kids will regret it sooner or later and it'll be but a bad memory in their minds.

3. Beating them up? Yeah right, let's teach them that when you don't like somthing you hit it.

4. As usual the internet blows everything out of proportion for a short while and then it is forgotten.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:04 PM, chenGOD said:

And what is it? It is a bunch of teens acting reprehensibly, because they know they will suffer no consequences.

 

You didn't excuse anything?

"They were talking out of their ass like a bunch of foolish children."

They are not children. They are old enough to understand that words have consequences, and that words can hurt.

 

The (likely) problem here is emotional detachment from the world. It's scary to emotionally invest yourself in the world and really feel, because you know that you can get hurt. The alternative is living a shallow life where nothing matters, and nothing can touch your void where your soul should reside.

i don't think they're emotionally detached. i think this situation was a combination of group think and pubescent levels of testosterone.

however, i do not feel that this old grandma should've been "assertive." ffs people, if you look at a child wrong these days, you can get fired. do you think she wanted to risk her job for the sake of setting some twat straight?

Cruelty like this is not natural, it's learned behaviour.

Beyond asking them to stop, how would you suggest this woman be more assertive?

Yes it will only be a memory in their minds, although probably barely that - and they won't have suffered any consequences as a result of their actions.

I agree beating them up is not the right answer.

Hoodie: if they were emotionally invested in the world, they would understand why she was crying.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:24 PM, Xenblake said:

Lol. Shocking that alot of you don't seem at all to get the point of what Adieu is saying?!

 

1. Kids can be extremely cruel bordering on the sadistic, it's only natural. Especially when they're in a group. Chances are they were more interested in showing off in front of each other. seeing how much they could get away with than actually wanting to hurt her feelings.

 

2. the woman SHOULD have been more assertive. An adult crying because some kids are calling her names? Come on.... Each time these kind of kids meet with a passive adult like this woman, it's fuel for the fire.

 

2. Chances are that these kids will regret it sooner or later and it'll be but a bad memory in their minds.

 

3. Beating them up? Yeah right, let's teach them that when you don't like somthing you hit it.

 

4. As usual the internet blows everything out of proportion for a short while and then it is forgotten.

Also I enjoyed watching the "get off my lawn" blowhard get pushed to the ground after thinking he could physical with that kid. Dude needs to get out of the house more and go easy on the corny action movies.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:21 PM, chenGOD said:

Society might not allow those 13-15 to do those things, but mentally and physically, these are not children. They are still developing, yes that is true, but they are old enough to understand that actions have consequences.

 

How would you enforce hard labour? What if your child said no?

I would hope that when I have children that we have strong enough relationship that something like this would never happen, but if this situation did actually arise I would hope that they respect me enough through my shown leadership and teaching that they would obey and understand that A) they did something wrong B) this is a fair punishment and that they deserve it.

Other than that I can't really say. There are too many variables. It's like trying to imagine what you would do if someone pulled a gun on you.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:27 PM, chenGOD said:

Cruelty like this is not natural, it's learned behaviour.

Beyond asking them to stop, how would you suggest this woman be more assertive?

Yes it will only be a memory in their minds, although probably barely that - and they won't have suffered any consequences as a result of their actions.

I agree beating them up is not the right answer.

 

Hoodie: if they were emotionally invested in the world, they would understand why she was crying.

i didn't watch the video (can't handle cruelty) so i didn't know she was crying :(

yeah, they might be more fucked up than i previously thought. i wonder if they have a history of mental illness or medication (adhd and all that shit)?

That said, I don't know how hard it is to discipline kids these days. Shitty if you can't even yell at them or anything.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:21 PM, patternoverlap said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 6:06 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I'm sorry, but there is a lot of misguided bullshit being spewed on this thread.

 

civil?

Sorry, I'm not perfect, but this was me just being frustrated and not wanting to put in the effort to have this long discussion.

She could have easily ignored them or told them off in an assertive way and told them exactly what was going to happen because of their behavior. If it were me. I probably would have tried to have the bus taken back to the school and had them all immediately taken to the principal or whatever and then had their parents come pick them up while alerting them to the misbehavior. They also would have been suspended from school for a few days or served on campus suspension. Any elective extracurricular's like sports could be taken away or anything perceived to be enjoyable. I probably would have yelled at them so loudly that they crapped their pants before doing so to diffuse the situation.

Chen, you might be onto something that they were ignoring her crying. It is hard for me to say. I kind of feel like if they hated her so much they ignored her crying that there is more to this story though.

  On 6/21/2012 at 9:47 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

Exactly...She is being applauded for failing at her job instead of standing up for herself and taking control of the situation. She is being rewarded for being cowardly and inept. People say shitty things all the time. These kids didn't hurt her. They were talking out of their ass like a bunch of foolish children. Cruelty happens all the time and if this is the cruelest thing you've ever experienced then you have lived a blessed life.

 

Come back to reality please everyone...This not new.

 

You don't think children have been cruel before this? Or that this is some new level of cruelty. Fuck, they didn't even use physical force. I read on MSN comments section some people want these kids charged with a felony. Are you kidding me? Are you serious? Do you understand the implications of a felony? These kid's have probably already started to realize the error in their ways. They have now just experienced real consequences to their actions. Take it a little further and seal the deal, but come on. They are just kids who need to learn something.

 

I even saw people talk about, "blah blah blah, I'll smack my kid so he learns respect and so that he knows to fear me and in turn listen to me". Do people not realize that this kind of conditioning is the best way to create a coward? That is what you are training them to be when you think like this. You shouldn't want your kids to listen to everything you tell them to do. That makes them followers not leaders. Something of which this world has too few. Impart values, reward and correct as necessary, but the mob and their warped view of justice is much more cruel than these CHILDREN...

 

Being bullied is a part of life. I've experienced it a great deal and I've dished it out as well. From random people, friends, famiily, significant others...You have to rise above the situation. Its a key ability that you will need throughout life. Try entering the workforce without being able to handle bullying or confrontation. I guarantee you will get passed over again and again. I learned just as these kids will probably learn. Teaching your children to fear you is only going to make them act correctly in your presence. Teaching your children to be decent people and leading by example will give you a better chance of creating a decent human being who does the right thing even when no one is watching.

I agree with some of this but I still think those kids should be castrated or at least sterilized. Or at least put in a database for some sort of criminal offense to where if it happens 3 times they are sterilized. The woman did NOTHING to defend herself and it truly was sort of a pathetic sight to behold. At the same time, these kids should not be allowed to reproduce.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:29 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:21 PM, chenGOD said:

Society might not allow those 13-15 to do those things, but mentally and physically, these are not children. They are still developing, yes that is true, but they are old enough to understand that actions have consequences.

 

How would you enforce hard labour? What if your child said no?

 

I would hope that when I have children that we have strong enough relationship that something like this would never happen, but if this situation did actually arise I would hope that they respect me enough through my shown leadership and teaching that they would obey and understand that A) they did something wrong B) this is a fair punishment and that they deserve it.

 

Other than that I can't really say. There are too many variables. It's like trying to imagine what you would do if someone pulled a gun on you.

lol if your 15 year old kid is making old women cry, you really think he or she is gonna have a change of heart and understand that physical labour is a fair punishment? If they don't understand that this kind of action is inexcusable at 15, there's little chance they will change. If they are behaving like this, you haven't shown much leadership or teaching as a parent.

I learned this lesson the hard way in grade 6 when I was 11. My daughter understands how much words can hurt and she's 7. I'm not saying I'm a perfect parent, because goddamn do I ever make some stupid mistakes when I parent, but I am at least making an effort to educate my kid well before she gets to the age of the kids in the video.

Like I said - for most kids, suspension from school is not a punishment, as there's almost no consequence - kids can't really be failed, so missing a few days is like a vacation. I'm willing to bet that most parents (from what I see of parent-teacher interaction in North America) would have reacted the same way - "oh they're just being children."

Not letting them participate in school sports is a good idea, like not letting them play on school teams (as we place so much emphasis on athletes).

When those kids started going "oh what, are you gonna cry now" to me that says there is some issue though.

Vamos - geez, your society sounds like a fun place to live....

does anyone want to stage a scene like this? we'll split the donations and definitely be sure not to let any of the "perpetrators" faces be seen... that would probably be the only risk. we'll set up the "news followup" as well. even if we need like 10 people to pose as "friends of the victim/perps" on reddit that would still be like $33,000 per person

Sorry if I sound preachy, I just don't want my daughter growing up in a society where this kind of bullshit is considered acceptable/normal behaviour.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:47 PM, chenGOD said:

Sorry if I sound preachy, I just don't want my daughter growing up in a society where this kind of bullshit is considered acceptable/normal behaviour.

I'll cop to having the same bias. This shit is fucking unacceptable, end of. Anything that even approaches justification or rationalization makes me want to A. punch a baby or B. verbally abuse a sad old fat lady.