kids these days

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:27 PM, chenGOD said:

Cruelty like this is not natural, it's learned behaviour.

Beyond asking them to stop, how would you suggest this woman be more assertive?

Yes it will only be a memory in their minds, although probably barely that - and they won't have suffered any consequences as a result of their actions.

I agree beating them up is not the right answer.

 

Hoodie: if they were emotionally invested in the world, they would understand why she was crying.

How she should have been more assertive? Perhaps by putting herself in verbal authority from the very start. Kids like this can smell fear and they fucking prey on it given half the chance. The poor woman unfortunately chose the part of victim and hoped for their empathy. She chose wrong.

I'm sure a few stern words and some authoratitive body language from her side could have curbed the situation considerably.

Either that or causing it to turn into a full blown granny vs. the kids school buss massacre.

Which would have made for some dam rioutous viewing

this is simply bullying, only this time it's directed towards an older person, but the the dynamic and the psychology behind it is the same, i believe. bullying is everywhere and allover and older than prostitution, there's nothing "kids these days" about this incident.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:44 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:29 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:21 PM, chenGOD said:

Society might not allow those 13-15 to do those things, but mentally and physically, these are not children. They are still developing, yes that is true, but they are old enough to understand that actions have consequences.

 

How would you enforce hard labour? What if your child said no?

 

I would hope that when I have children that we have strong enough relationship that something like this would never happen, but if this situation did actually arise I would hope that they respect me enough through my shown leadership and teaching that they would obey and understand that A) they did something wrong B) this is a fair punishment and that they deserve it.

 

Other than that I can't really say. There are too many variables. It's like trying to imagine what you would do if someone pulled a gun on you.

 

lol if your 15 year old kid is making old women cry, you really think he or she is gonna have a change of heart and understand that physical labour is a fair punishment? If they don't understand that this kind of action is inexcusable at 15, there's little chance they will change. If they are behaving like this, you haven't shown much leadership or teaching as a parent.

I learned this lesson the hard way in grade 6 when I was 11. My daughter understands how much words can hurt and she's 7. I'm not saying I'm a perfect parent, because goddamn do I ever make some stupid mistakes when I parent, but I am at least making an effort to educate my kid well before she gets to the age of the kids in the video.

 

Like I said - for most kids, suspension from school is not a punishment, as there's almost no consequence - kids can't really be failed, so missing a few days is like a vacation. I'm willing to bet that most parents (from what I see of parent-teacher interaction in North America) would have reacted the same way - "oh they're just being children."

Not letting them participate in school sports is a good idea, like not letting them play on school teams (as we place so much emphasis on athletes).

 

When those kids started going "oh what, are you gonna cry now" to me that says there is some issue though.

 

Vamos - geez, your society sounds like a fun place to live....

well, I like the kids and the lady, it's almost like there is 1 step between them getting along and them harassing her. it's like, if she would chuckle or something or try to relate with them on any given level, then maybe they wouldn't treat her like something worthy of total 100% abuse.

i don't have total respect for bully victims. sometimes their weakness is potentially deserving of derision.

at the same time, anyone who participates as a perpetrator is objectively a little shit, and is a long way off from being worthy of reproduction or participation in positive society. these kids could go on to run town. they're nihilistic, soulless, unethical little fucks who have quite seriously nothing meaningful in their lives aside from Call of Duty and looking forward to working in the corporate system. they're disgusting vile little beasts with essentially zero redeemable qualities. that was all washed away from them a long time ago.

I was bullied as a kid but I always laughed it off. I always knew the bully was a pathetic vermin and my laughter subverted the expectation they had in mind... I always "joined" their bullying against myself and assimilated their violence toward me like, "yeah that is funny, isn't it." The little cunts, where are they now? Nowhere. The bully is an ignorant beast, completely unable to feel joy. So they are worthy only of pity. Anyone who is unable to combat the bully is also lacking in some sense, and is also ignorant in some way. So are they unworthy of being bullied? Maybe it all works out.

  On 6/21/2012 at 4:55 PM, Npoess said:

Fucking little shits. I really hate kids nowadays, this shit vexes my soul.

It is disturbing and discouraging, but that's people in general, regardless of age. Some backslide as they grow older, some actually become better adults than when they were children, but often little shits just grow up into, well, big shits.

I still think kids can be hilarious and awesome and I look forward to having a couple someday. I have a cousin whose almost 4 and he's one of my favorite human beings ever. He's smart and witty and just endlessly curious about everything around him. You can't write some of the brilliant quips he's uttered.

Instead of watching the video I browsed youtube favorites for things like this:

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obviously I said the kids should be sterilized so you know how I feel about them. this is a serious problem right now in American society especially, way too many little faggot ass nihilist pieces of shit who are obsessed with their iPhones and Call of Duty, almost no moral intelligence. only "Straight As" "good cars" and family photos.

I wanted to post the scene in Dogville at the end, if you know what I'm talking about. I feel it's relevant in some way.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:24 PM, Xenblake said:

2. the woman SHOULD have been more assertive. An adult crying because some kids are calling her names? Come on....

they told her that her family committed suicide to get away from her, (alledgedly) not knowing that her son actually had committed suicide. who are you to judge what should and should not make an old woman cry?

when the kid started talking about cutting through her belly with a knife like butter, and mcdonalds falling out, that was the moment i decided that the kid was a psychopath worthy of having his dick cut off

edit: I hope you know my posts are tongue in cheek. I do think the kids should be beaten.

every once in a while on watmm a really good thread pops up, and this is one of them. props to the OP.

...interesting discussion...

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:53 PM, vamos scorcho said:

obviously I said the kids should be sterilized so you know how I feel about them. this is a serious problem right now in American society especially, way too many little faggot ass nihilist pieces of shit who are obsessed with their iPhones and Call of Duty, almost no moral intelligence. only "Straight As" "good cars" and family photos.

I get what you're saying and I think there's some truth to it, but, sterilization? Really? The answer to the detachment and lack of humanity is to do completely inhumane things to punish them? OK I guess you said you're being tongue in cheek, but seriously, tread carefully because some people are unstable enough to not be able to tell the difference.

I didn't watch the video because I'm afraid it'd ruin my day, it's so sad to see children act that way and especially if it makes some poor lady cry.

However I feel Chengod's expectation of a 15 year's old ability to reason properly is a bit too high.

These kids don't know what they're doing, their brains are not fully grown yet and they are physically incapable of thoroughly realizing the extent of their actions.

I also agree somewhat with people here saying that if you can't take this form of abuse thay maybe you should consider different employment or get yourself a training.

There's lots of schools over here where kids will threaten you physically, talk about sexually abusing your family, stuff like that, really bad shit. A friend of mine sometimes goes to these schools to work with the kids on theater projects, she makes the kids cry, not the other way around. You have to be able to let shit like that slide off your back.

Have to note that over here (Netherlands) we probably do have a different culture in terms of kids and their parents being able to sue someone because they feel their kid was verbally abused or something like that.

i remember being 15 years old, and knowing full well that being that much of a cruel, nasty fuck for your own personal amusement is horrifically wrong. shit, i remember knowing that at 11.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:50 PM, Xenblake said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:27 PM, chenGOD said:

Cruelty like this is not natural, it's learned behaviour.

Beyond asking them to stop, how would you suggest this woman be more assertive?

Yes it will only be a memory in their minds, although probably barely that - and they won't have suffered any consequences as a result of their actions.

I agree beating them up is not the right answer.

 

Hoodie: if they were emotionally invested in the world, they would understand why she was crying.

 

How she should have been more assertive? Perhaps by putting herself in verbal authority from the very start. Kids like this can smell fear and they fucking prey on it given half the chance. The poor woman unfortunately chose the part of victim and hoped for their empathy. She chose wrong.

I'm sure a few stern words and some authoratitive body language from her side could have curbed the situation considerably.

 

Either that or causing it to turn into a full blown granny vs. the kids school buss massacre.

 

Which would have made for some dam rioutous viewing

lol hilarious at the stuff I put in bold. That's exactly what happens.

So she tells the kids to be quiet, tells them there will be consequences to their actions.

They don't listen, and then they don't suffer any punishment, what lesson do you think they've learned?

righteous? riotous?

They told her that her family committed suicide to get away from her? That's not bullying, that is psychological abuse.

ussr - 15 year old kids used to work in the fields with heavy machinery that could maim or kill them. Were they unable to reason properly then? Or is this a more modern thing?

Talking about sexually abusing my family? That's not acceptable either. When the fuck did that kind of behavior become acceptable?

Eugene - yes this kind of activity has been around for as long as we've had language I'm sure. As far as I know, it's always been considered unacceptable by most societies' norms.

A short, but thought provoking article about bullying:

http://www.npr.org/2...t-on-reality-tv

Facing Up To Bullies, Everywhere But On Reality TV

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Over the past couple of years, the topic of bullying has come to the forefront of public discourse: on TV, in social media, in newspapers and in movies.

 

So it only makes sense all this talk would eventually seep into the nation's largest Rorschach test: prime-time television. FromLaw and Order: SVU to The Simpsons, fromHouse to Nurse Jackie, the word "bully" gets thrown around a lot these days, even when it's describing behavior that's less bullying and closer to rudeness.

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It's a seriously conflicted message: Bullying is bad when kids do it in school, but hugely profitable when adults do it in front of a TV camera. Small wonder we're all a bit confused when an earnest celebrity faces the camera and tells us "bullying kills." Because, too often in Hollywood, it's just a really good career move.

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:54 PM, uptown devil said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:24 PM, Xenblake said:

2. the woman SHOULD have been more assertive. An adult crying because some kids are calling her names? Come on....

 

they told her that her family committed suicide to get away from her, (alledgedly) not knowing that her son actually had committed suicide. who are you to judge what should and should not make an old woman cry?

Little bastards they are.

I'm just saying that starting to cry in a situation like that is not gonna help anything.

what shit parents these kids must have.

Nothing like a little victim blaming to make this a perfectly American story.

  On 6/21/2012 at 11:14 PM, Xenblake said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:54 PM, uptown devil said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:24 PM, Xenblake said:

2. the woman SHOULD have been more assertive. An adult crying because some kids are calling her names? Come on....

 

they told her that her family committed suicide to get away from her, (alledgedly) not knowing that her son actually had committed suicide. who are you to judge what should and should not make an old woman cry?

 

Little bastards they are.

I'm just saying that starting to cry in a situation like that is not gonna help anything.

I hope you never have to encounter that kind of emotional stress in your life.

LOL at thinking being 15 years old excuses this, because their brains aren't "fully developed"

  On 6/21/2012 at 11:19 PM, Npoess said:

LOL at thinking being 15 years old excuses this

15 is the new 9, didn't ya know?

School bus driver must be a super stressful job.

Many 15 year olds are just spoiled little egocentric brats who do whatever the they want, without ever suffering any kind consequences for their bad actions. And I'm not saying that their parents should psychical abuse them. But apprently some kids are just born wihout any kind of compassion for other human beings. And a lot of modern parents are just too scared or lazy to have the confrontation with these kids by telling them right from wrong in a proper way.

  On 6/21/2012 at 11:10 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:50 PM, Xenblake said:

  On 6/21/2012 at 10:27 PM, chenGOD said:

Cruelty like this is not natural, it's learned behaviour.

Beyond asking them to stop, how would you suggest this woman be more assertive?

Yes it will only be a memory in their minds, although probably barely that - and they won't have suffered any consequences as a result of their actions.

I agree beating them up is not the right answer.

 

Hoodie: if they were emotionally invested in the world, they would understand why she was crying.

 

How she should have been more assertive? Perhaps by putting herself in verbal authority from the very start. Kids like this can smell fear and they fucking prey on it given half the chance. The poor woman unfortunately chose the part of victim and hoped for their empathy. She chose wrong.

I'm sure a few stern words and some authoratitive body language from her side could have curbed the situation considerably.

 

Either that or causing it to turn into a full blown granny vs. the kids school buss massacre.

 

Which would have made for some dam rioutous viewing

lol hilarious at the stuff I put in bold. That's exactly what happens.

So she tells the kids to be quiet, tells them there will be consequences to their actions.

They don't listen, and then they don't suffer any punishment, what lesson do you think they've learned?

 

righteous? riotous?

 

They told her that her family committed suicide to get away from her? That's not bullying, that is psychological abuse.

 

ussr - 15 year old kids used to work in the fields with heavy machinery that could maim or kill them. Were they unable to reason properly then? Or is this a more modern thing?

Talking about sexually abusing my family? That's not acceptable either. When the fuck did that kind of behavior become acceptable?

 

Eugene - yes this kind of activity has been around for as long as we've had language I'm sure. As far as I know, it's always been considered unacceptable by most societies' norms.

What, so you think they're gonna walk away from this and never hear/think about it again? Certainly not. Other than the fact that it's apparently become a big internet thing which means their /teachers/friends/family etc. are gonna be judging/punishing them, they'll at some point in life, probably sooner than later, come to realise what they've done and that impact will be punishment enough and then some.

Yes she tells them to stop. But at no point does she display anything resembling authoratitive behaviour, she slumps back and mumbles at them to stop.

Of course their behaviour is not acceptable that goes without saying, but like people have said this behaviour has been around forever and will probably always will be (which is why i said it was natural behaviour).

Knowing this, people should know how to behave in an adult fashion and put them in their place (this can be done without hitting them or fear of being seen as some sort of child molester).

Yeah let's all get really huffy and completely ignore scientific research that has been done on these subjects.

Chengod; I never said it was acceptable behavior, how on earth do you get that from my post?

Kids do unacceptable things, peer pressure makes this even worse, something that's been completely left out of the equation here as well.

I really don't get what's so much better about just condemning this shit and getting angry about vs. condeming it but trying to understand it.

for what it's worth i think the idea that there's a "bullying phenomenon" or whatever it's being called is complete nonsense.

it's just a viral for cloverfield 2