IDF have told The Times they expect to invade Gaza this weekend.

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:58 PM, goDel said:

Both parties need to leave each other alone. And as mentioned before, Israel is in the position to make the first move.

This. Leaving each other alone does not consist of forcing the other party to go through checkpoints. Palestinians have to travel through Israel to get supplies from neighboring countries - well that's because the Israelis fuckin took over the formerly neighboring Palestinian territory innit.

Also joshuatx, easy on the race card, I didn't say jack shit about that.

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:49 PM, joshuatx said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 7:27 PM, eugene said:

you're putting hamas' acceptable modus operandi with cases of idf abuse of the same tactic on the same scale.

 

This.

 

Hamas has purposely operated out of schools, hospitals, and refuge camps in order to get Israel to inflict civilian casualties. They take every opportunity possible to not just to exploit Palestinian civilian deaths, but to cause them. I don't even find the rocket attacks on civilians as offensive as the fact that Hamas then directs civilians to "shelter" in the same buildings and city blocks they had just launched rockets from.

 

I know the counter to this will probably be, albeit with more citations likely: "Israel is the aggressor! The problem is clearly Zionism and a Jewish conspiracy, I mean, I'm not racist but...well I know little about Zionism or Israeli politics, please inform me! Whatever, FUCK ISRAEL blah blah blah! etc."

 

I can't and won't apologize or excuse or try to contextualize IDF human rights abuses but it appears no fiercely anti-Israeli watmmer can acknowledge the fact that Hamas is a radical, fundamentalist terrorist group that tortures and oppresses it's own people in order to maintain power and push it's agenda or wiping Israel of the map. They brutalize internal political parties in Gaza, they propagate anti-Semitic rhetoric to their supporters, and they continue to exploit the plight of Palestinians with absolutely no sincere effort for peace and compromise. They are despicable and evil as the Israelis who want to eliminate the existence of any Palestinian state. I know (or at least hope) one here actually condones them or their tactics but for the record: Fuck Hamas. I won't say "Fuck Palestine" because unlike anyone who write "Fuck Israel" instead of say "Fuck the Israeli government" on these threads, I don't lump citizens of diverse political and religious ideologies into one convenient but inaccurate national label.

 

Fuck. This is why I knew I should of fucking stop reading this thread days ago. :/

no one denies that hamas is a reprehensible group whose actions are incredibly horrible. but this is a completely undisputed idea, i can go on any news station, read any newspaper, talk to any random person and we'll all agree on this.

israel's crimes, however, go largely ignored in the media, are unknown by your average person, and as one can easily see in this thread some really despicable horrifying shit is excused and justified in a boldly hypocritical way on a regular basis.

so, what exactly is the point of talking about hamas's "plans to wipe israel off the map?" i can hear that (and i do) all the time from fox news to the new york times. but no one seems to give a shit that israel has been systematically destroying palestinians under its boot for decades. how can this not be important to discuss? why do people feel so content to dismiss israel's actually wiping palestine off the mape (literally!) and wax poetic on the evils of hamas?

i mean, what the fuck people???

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:05 PM, Alcofribas said:

israel's crimes, however, go largely ignored in the media, are unknown by your average person, and as one can easily see in this thread some really despicable horrifying shit is excused and justified in a boldly hypocritical way on a regular basis.

 

so, what exactly is the point of talking about hamas's "plans to wipe israel off the map?" i can hear that (and i do) all the time from fox news to the new york times. but no one seems to give a shit that israel has been systematically destroying palestinians under its boot for decades. how can this not be important to discuss? why do people feel so content to dismiss israel's actually wiping palestine off the mape (literally!) and wax poetic on the evils of hamas?

 

i mean, what the fuck people???

That's probably why people get all excited about conspiracy shit (which, btw, I still think is a load of garbage). Nobody on the pro-Israel side offers explanations except prematurely calling you an anti-Semite (which doesn't mean what most people think it means, btw).

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:19 PM, Alcofribas said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 7:27 PM, eugene said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 5:18 PM, Alcofribas said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 4:04 PM, compson said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:05 AM, azatoth said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 3:06 AM, compson said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 2:56 AM, Alcofribas said:

compson, the idf has a pretty grim record using palestinians as human shields. are you not aware of this or are you ignoring it because you think it's ok when they do it?

 

  Quote

The IDF admittedly used Palestinians as human shields, a practice subsequently banned by Israel's High Court of Justice.[25] The Israeli Defense Ministry appealed this decision.[26]

 

Amnesty International[27] and Human Rights Watch[28] assert the Israel Defense Forces used Palestinian civilians as human shields during the 2002 Battle of Jenin. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that "for a long period of time following the outbreak of the second intifada, particularly during Operation Defensive Shield, in April 2002, the IDF systematically used Palestinian civilians as human shields, forcing them to carry out military actions which threatened their lives".[29][30] The practice was outlawed by the Supreme Court of Israel in 2005 but human rights groups say the IDF continues to use it, although they say the number of instances has dropped sharply.[29][31]

 

That tactic has been banned in Israel for quite some time. Only the cowardly terrorists use it nowadays, shooting from civilian population and defending themselves with children.

 

What are you talking about, it says that the Defense Ministry appealed the decision and it is still in use by the IDF, although in lesser numbers.

 

"The practice was outlawed by the Supreme Court of Israel in 2005"

 

From the Goldstone Report on the 2009 Gaza War:

 

"The report also accused Israel of using Palestinians as "human shields" and torturing detainees.[81] The human shields accusations were supported in 2010, with Israel charging two soldiers with forcing a 9-year-old Palestinian boy to open bags suspected of containing bombs.[82]"

 

http://en.wikipedia....lds_allegations

you're putting hamas' acceptable modus operandi with relatively few cases of idf abuse of the same tactic on the same scale.

 

are war crimes ok in moderation, eugene?

 

you're talking about "scale?" you mean like, 3 dead israelis vs 113 palestinians? like that kind of scale??

 

what a fucking joke man.

don't jump topics, we're talking about use of human shields.

also, two more israelis were killed today, hope it makes you feel better.

isn't your prickish edit against the rules or something?

You guys are doing an excellent job of distracting this conversation from the core issue. You should run for public office, I think you'd do well.

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:49 PM, joshuatx said:

Hamas has purposely operated out of schools, hospitals, and refuge camps in order to get Israel to inflict civilian casualties. They take every opportunity possible to not just to exploit Palestinian civilian deaths, but to cause them. I don't even find the rocket attacks on civilians as offensive as the fact that Hamas then directs civilians to "shelter" in the same buildings and city blocks they had just launched rockets from.

 

 

pretty much the exact same propaganda about why we should obliterate the Taliban and Iraqis, they are 'less human' than us because they do such animalistic things. Same shit different day, smells like 2004 in here

perhaps if the people in Hamas were more polite and had planes they could fly to drop bombs on entire apartment buildings there would be less of a focus on their 'barbaric' tactics. the most civilized thing to do would be to post the video on youtube immediately and taunt the other side about it on twitter.

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:25 PM, Awepittance said:

Same shit different day, smells like 2004 in here

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:17 PM, sweepstakes said:

You guys are doing an excellent job of distracting this conversation from the core issue. You should run for public office, I think you'd do well.

 

yes, whoever keeps playing up the human shield bullshit propaganda should totally run for office because that's how our mainstream debate about these types of conflicts is formed. We always aim to make the 'enemy' side seem far worse and more barbaric than the people we relate to (in this case the Israelis). I find it funny but also sad that this is the go-to tactic when people debate this subject.

It's like saying the Taliban hate women, so it gives us the right to kill them indiscriminately or that Iraqis 'decapitate' people because they are animals, so in essence they don't deserve the same respect as a normal human being (a white person).

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:05 PM, Alcofribas said:

systematically destroying palestinians under its boot for decades. how can this not be important to discuss? why do people feel so content to dismiss israel's actually wiping palestine off the mape (literally!) and wax poetic on the evils of hamas?

 

i mean, what the fuck people???

the living conditions in west bank were never better before (correlated with relatively little terror it exports), gaza is obviously a different story, but the cause and effect is very obvious in its case as it began to worsen when hamas took control over there.

it really seems like you don't know what you are talking about most of the time when it comes to this conflict. a 6 year old picture there, some propaganda snippet here and so on.

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:25 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:49 PM, joshuatx said:

Hamas has purposely operated out of schools, hospitals, and refuge camps in order to get Israel to inflict civilian casualties. They take every opportunity possible to not just to exploit Palestinian civilian deaths, but to cause them. I don't even find the rocket attacks on civilians as offensive as the fact that Hamas then directs civilians to "shelter" in the same buildings and city blocks they had just launched rockets from.

 

 

pretty much the exact same propaganda

what fucking propaganda you ignorant fool ?! is it really that much easier to spew more idiotic bullshit than google "hamas use of human shields" and get to know the facts ?

when hamas had the capability they bombed buses and restaurants on weekly basis, thankfully they can't do it any more.

israel totes has the right to be there in the first place

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:05 PM, Alcofribas said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:49 PM, joshuatx said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 7:27 PM, eugene said:

you're putting hamas' acceptable modus operandi with cases of idf abuse of the same tactic on the same scale.

 

This.

 

Hamas has purposely operated out of schools, hospitals, and refuge camps in order to get Israel to inflict civilian casualties. They take every opportunity possible to not just to exploit Palestinian civilian deaths, but to cause them. I don't even find the rocket attacks on civilians as offensive as the fact that Hamas then directs civilians to "shelter" in the same buildings and city blocks they had just launched rockets from.

 

I know the counter to this will probably be, albeit with more citations likely: "Israel is the aggressor! The problem is clearly Zionism and a Jewish conspiracy, I mean, I'm not racist but...well I know little about Zionism or Israeli politics, please inform me! Whatever, FUCK ISRAEL blah blah blah! etc."

 

I can't and won't apologize or excuse or try to contextualize IDF human rights abuses but it appears no fiercely anti-Israeli watmmer can acknowledge the fact that Hamas is a radical, fundamentalist terrorist group that tortures and oppresses it's own people in order to maintain power and push it's agenda or wiping Israel of the map. They brutalize internal political parties in Gaza, they propagate anti-Semitic rhetoric to their supporters, and they continue to exploit the plight of Palestinians with absolutely no sincere effort for peace and compromise. They are despicable and evil as the Israelis who want to eliminate the existence of any Palestinian state. I know (or at least hope) one here actually condones them or their tactics but for the record: Fuck Hamas. I won't say "Fuck Palestine" because unlike anyone who write "Fuck Israel" instead of say "Fuck the Israeli government" on these threads, I don't lump citizens of diverse political and religious ideologies into one convenient but inaccurate national label.

 

Fuck. This is why I knew I should of fucking stop reading this thread days ago. :/

 

no one denies that hamas is a reprehensible group whose actions are incredibly horrible. but this is a completely undisputed idea, i can go on any news station, read any newspaper, talk to any random person and we'll all agree on this.

 

israel's crimes, however, go largely ignored in the media, are unknown by your average person, and as one can easily see in this thread some really despicable horrifying shit is excused and justified in a boldly hypocritical way on a regular basis.

 

so, what exactly is the point of talking about hamas's "plans to wipe israel off the map?" i can hear that (and i do) all the time from fox news to the new york times. but no one seems to give a shit that israel has been systematically destroying palestinians under its boot for decades. how can this not be important to discuss? why do people feel so content to dismiss israel's actually wiping palestine off the mape (literally!) and wax poetic on the evils of hamas?

 

i mean, what the fuck people???

It's in their charter and they refuse to alter it, even though many of it's party express more moderate views. I will clarify that I'm aware the rocket attacks themselves aren't even supported by all Hamas members, and that the party has, since 1988, mentioned support for certain border lines being drawn. That said they are very extreme in their rhetoric and tactics and essentially fought off other factions to control Gaza. I completely understand the conditions that drive Palestinians to maintain support for the Hamas, but I can't even for a second sympathize with Hamas itself.

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:25 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:49 PM, joshuatx said:

Hamas has purposely operated out of schools, hospitals, and refuge camps in order to get Israel to inflict civilian casualties. They take every opportunity possible to not just to exploit Palestinian civilian deaths, but to cause them. I don't even find the rocket attacks on civilians as offensive as the fact that Hamas then directs civilians to "shelter" in the same buildings and city blocks they had just launched rockets from.

 

 

 

pretty much the exact same propaganda about why we should obliterate the Taliban and Iraqis, they are 'less human' than us because they do such animalistic things. Same shit different day, smells like 2004 in here

 

perhaps if the people in Hamas were more polite and had planes they could fly to drop bombs on entire apartment buildings there would be less of a focus on their 'barbaric' tactics. the most civilized thing to do would be to post the video on youtube immediately and taunt the other side about it on twitter.

I agree that the conflict is insanely lopsided. It's bit surreal to see how Israel went from successfully defending itself from superior numbered armies in past wars to becoming a heavily armed and unopposed military giant in the region. I refer to this succinct quote to express my view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97KllcZidKQ

I was worried by post would sound too much like a neo-con throwing the word "terrorist" around, that's not my angle. I'm acknowledging Hamas, yes in different ways, is using human shields. There's no way one can say tactics of the IDF or Hamas are somehow morally preferable. I'm quite cynical about the conflict and foreign policy in general. I'm skeptical of overall opinions and perspectives regarding pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli rhetoric and I'm the same way regarding the reverse sentiment. Personally I think US and Western leaders are a bigger obstacle than Israeli or the Palestinian governments to a true ceasefire and two-state compromise, Hamas (not it's militant factions) included. The continued push of Israeli citizens into West Bank is the most immoral and outrageous act of "aggression" imo, I would be utterly angry and frustrated too if I was a Palestinian. Likewise, moderate and liberal Israelis and Americans (because in terms of financial and diplomatic support, the US is unrivaled in complacency with such fundamentalist Israeli policy) Just to clarify my perspective and opinion overall.

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:05 PM, Alcofribas said:

israel's crimes, however, go largely ignored in the media, are unknown by your average person, and as one can easily see in this thread some really despicable horrifying shit is excused and justified in a boldly hypocritical way on a regular basis.

Bullshit sir. Please quote where someone justified war crimes committed by Israel.

It's quite hilarious how because one condemns Hamas they are therefore supporting Israeli war crimes. This is how far removed from the conflict you are and how little sympathy you show for the Israeli people.

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:31 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:17 PM, sweepstakes said:

You guys are doing an excellent job of distracting this conversation from the core issue. You should run for public office, I think you'd do well.

 

 

yes, whoever keeps playing up the human shield bullshit propaganda should totally run for office because that's how our mainstream debate about these types of conflicts is formed. We always aim to make the 'enemy' side seem far worse and more barbaric than the people we relate to (in this case the Israelis). I find it funny but also sad that this is the go-to tactic when people debate this subject.

 

It's like saying the Taliban hate women, so it gives us the right to kill them indiscriminately or that Iraqis 'decapitate' people because they are animals, so in essence they don't deserve the same respect as a normal human being (a white person).

And sir this is another jump in thinking. If Hamas ceased their violence and rhetoric, there would be peace. Their leadership encourages the violence and their method for attacking hurts the Palestinians. Criticizing Hamas for war crimes, child abuse, etc is simply that. It's not jumping to the conclusion that it therefore justifies dumping a nuke on the entire region. It's opening up a discussion on why the Palestinians need better more peaceful leadership if they want to share a good relationship with Israel. If you disagree and think Hamas is justified then you essentially support their religious extremist views. Israeli people have no reason to want to kill or invade/take over land. They want security. That doesn't mean that the Israel Government is in the right... their acts of aggression come with disgusting consequences.

Look at their 20% population of Arabs who proudly consider themselves as Israeli. Comparing this situation to Iraq is silly. Unless you think Israel does not have a right to be a state then I don't understand why there is a need to blanket this conflict with Iraq.

Hamas calls for the genocide and destruction of all the Jews and Israel. If this was as common on the Israeli side then Gaza and the surrounding regions would be wiped the fuck out.

  On 11/20/2012 at 9:05 PM, Alcofribas said:

israel's crimes, however, go largely ignored in the media, are unknown by your average person, and as one can easily see in this thread some really despicable horrifying shit is excused and justified in a boldly hypocritical way on a regular basis.

 

http://www.imemc.org/article/63513

  Quote

With 50% of respondents ranking Israel's influence as "mostly negative", Israel keeps company with North Korea, and places ahead of only Iran (55% negative) and Pakistan (51% negative).

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Mupoo1At8&feature=player_embedded

And every "leftist" forum I go to is negative on Israel. Generally because they view the middle east as a region to not get involved with (because of the US's craptastic invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan). So Israel is seen purely as the aggressor and more increasingly I have seen stuff about how Zionists control the world. Criticizing radical Islam is seen as racism or is linked to neo-conservative tactics of acts of aggression. There's simply not much room left on the "left" to be supportive of Israel as a state and critical of radical religious Islamic beliefs and authoritarian oppressive dictatorships (in a peaceful diplomatic way). The answer is to simply leave the whole region alone, blame everything on the West, and in short time these radical religious factions will fade away and human rights in those regions will flourish.

Possibly 6 innocent Palestinians publicly murdered by a Hamas faction in Gaza.

http://www.huffingto...1994,b=facebook

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel at a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.

Some in the crowd stomped and spit on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"

The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters and rocket launching sites. Hamas did not provide any proof of the alleged collaboration.

The killing came on the seventh day of an Israeli military offensive that has killed more than 130 Palestinians, both militants and civilians, as well as five Israelis. Israel has launched hundreds of airstrikes, targeting rocket-launching sites, weapons caches and homes of Hamas activists, in response to repeated Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli cities. Hundreds of Palestinian rockets have rained down on Israel in the past week.

This was a common practice during the intifadas, both in the West Bank and Gaza. Suspected collaborators would be summarily executed in the streets, usually by mobs. Many of the people killed turned out to be gay as well.

  Quote

Intra-Palestinian violence was also a prominent feature of the Intifada' date=' with widespread executions of alleged Israeli collaborators. Over the course of the first intifada, an estimated 1,100 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces and 164 Israelis were killed by Palestinians. In addition, an estimated 1,000 Palestinians were killed by Palestinians as alleged collaborators, although fewer than half had any proven contact with the Israeli authorities.[3'][4]

Another good summation I read:

  Quote

The only reason Israel is what it is today is because the Arab states tried to wipe out the Jews, and the Arabs living in the area mostly left their homes. It is true that many Arabs in the area sided with the attackers, and would probably be considered traitors. It is true that the Arab states intentionally used the Palestinians as pawns against Israel, that Egypt penned the Palestinians into refugee camps.

 

Israel has some good historical arguments. But, once we listen to those arguments, the problem of current human rights atrocities against Palestinians remains. And as time passes from the events that created Israel, Israel's actions become much less defensible. The origin of the problem, and the blame for it's creation, in a sense, no longer matter. What matters is the facts on the ground right now.

 

The facts on the ground are that new generations of Palestinians, living in refugee camp level standards, with a better argument for living on currently Israel-occupied land than anywhere else, are being denied and kept in deplorable conditions. They are being killed as collateral damage. Forget the historical blame for that. It's happening right now, and it isn't ok. I think people in Israel know it isn't ok.

 

But at the same time, the violence and hate against Jews is real. Israel is justifiably concerned that every inch they give will just increase the severity of the attacks on them. Self preservation kicks in. As the rockets come down on them, it must seem ridiculous to intentionally open themselves up to much more deadly attacks.

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Status of homosexuality

 

According to Shaul Ganon of the Tel-Aviv based gay rights group, Agudah, "The P.A.'s usual excuse for persecuting gays is to label them collaborators--though I know of two cases in the last three years where people were tried explicitly for being homosexuals." "It's now impossible to be an open gay in the P.A." Ganon says that Islamic law is the main justification for such treatment of homosexuals under the Palestinian Authority.

http://en.wikipedia....ional_Authority

What is this, an ad hominem? Palestinians in Israel's borders deserve to be killed because Hamas kills gay people? We liberal types should take the Israel forces' side because Hamas hates gays?

Also, 5 posts in a row? Take a break, dude. Get some fresh air.

  On 11/21/2012 at 5:20 AM, sweepstakes said:

What is this, an ad hominem? Palestinians in Israel's borders deserve to be killed because Hamas kills gay people? We liberal types should take the Israel forces' side because Hamas hates gays?

 

Also, 5 posts in a row? Take a break, dude. Get some fresh air.

lol your hyperbole is amazing.

completing missing the point

its a human rights issue

  On 11/20/2012 at 3:52 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 8:52 AM, Iain C said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 2:29 AM, Brian Tregaskin said:

well, plenty of people are having doubts on the reasons why jews died in concentration camps and the circumstances of how that happened.

 

lol, ladies and gentlemen, you see here an example of old-school European racism. It was so much more wholesome before black people and Muslims lived here and we could focus in our real enemy - "international finance"

 

I mean come on man I deplore Israel's actions too but it's shit like this that gives French people a bad name. Well, it's ONE of the things.

 

if questionning history is racism in your book, then i guess yeah, i'm a racist.

 

  On 11/20/2012 at 4:52 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/20/2012 at 2:29 AM, Brian Tregaskin said:

  On 11/19/2012 at 10:50 PM, compson said:

  On 11/19/2012 at 9:32 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

what needs to be revised about the official thesis of the holocaust?

 

there are plenty, and I mean plenty of academic interpretations and new analyses and critiques of the Holocaust. what isn't allowed (and honestly shouldn't be allowed) is writing that denies the Holocaust, a different beast altogether.

 

I don't know what you feel needs to be "revised" about the Holocaust.

 

I'm still waiting for what needs to be publicized on french TV about the zionist. And specifically speaking. Complaining that there aren't outcries concerning some global zionist conspiracy (while perhaps legitimate) is clearly something no media publication is gonna want to tout too heavily for it would be a baseless allegation.

 

well, plenty of people are having doubts on the reasons why jews died in concentration camps and the circumstances of how that happened. no one denies the fact that lots of jews died in concentration camps. again, from a french point of view, i just think that anyone should be allowed to make historical research freely on that topic, and publicize it, but in france the topic is locked, it's a forbidden zone. you don't have the right to doubt publicly of the official thesis on the holocaust and law punishes it. which,to me, is weird in a so-called democracy.

to answer compson, i personnaly don't know what specifically needs to be publicized about zionists on french tv. my knowledge on the matter is too limited. i just find it absurd and suspicious that in france, everytime a person openly criticizes the actions of some jews or pro-israeli people, he gets the same treatment, which i described in a previous post.

and personnally, if conspiracy there is, i already said i think that zionists are only part of a bigger conspiracy, no i don't think they're the masters of the universe, they only want to have the biggest piece of cake they can, like the other lobbies. this rothschild dude is quite suspicious though haha

 

what......

 

what?

 

what are the reasons jews were sent to the concentration camps that hasn't been reported or addressed? i'd love to hear this bombshell.

 

i don't personally know. i just don't buy official history anymore. i think that history is an instrument of power (typical conspirationist thought pattern) and therefore, i don't buy the official thesis.

to answer compson, yeah, i agree that conspirationism can be a trap if you limit yourself to a paradigm in which one simple cause explains all consequences. i'd love it if a jewish conspiracy could explain all that happened and currently happens in the world but i don't think things are that simple. but there are definitely conspiracies. maybe they're not to be taken as pieces of a puzzle that would explain the entire world but still they're intriguing.

ok. ill take it as slow as you want to. why don't you believe the narrative of the holocaust? what evidence have you seen that suggests that the "narrative" is not true? don't just say you "don't believe it". You don't believe it for a reason; give the reason.

Brian has to be trolling, he said he would love if "jewish conspiracy could explain all that happened and currently happens in the world"

  On 11/21/2012 at 6:00 AM, compson said:

Brian has to be trolling, he said he would love if "jewish conspiracy could explain all that happened and currently happens in the world"

im going to give him a chance to defend himself.

and as for the israel/palestinian conflict, ive fucking completely given up sympathizing with either group. it seems more people sympathize with the Palestinians because they are ultimately going to be the ones wiped out by this conflict.

edit: fuck "right to land" arguments in general.

edit 2: fuck religion as well.

edit 3: and fuck the US for continuing to poke the embers of a fight over an ultimately piece of shit sand hole in the middle of nowhere. THERES SOME PC FOR YA THURRRR

NEWSFLASH THE LANDS FUCKING WORTHLESS GODDAMNIT JUST PUT YOUR COCKS(GUNS) AWAY FOR A COUPLE OF FUCKING YEARS JESUS GODDAMNIT BUDDHA ALLAH I HATE I HATE I HATE I HATE I HATE I HATE

it's not a conspiracy. the bible says that the jews are the chosen people of god who are entitled to the holy land of canaan which stretches from the nile to the euphrates. if people try to wipe out jews and judaism itl will kill millions. if the jews revive their homeland it will also kill millions. it's so fucked up that the world is like that but thats just the way it is. im just gonna chill and make choons and if jews or muslims or nazis want a fight about it they can piss off and take their lebensraum and holy lands awith them.they can leave the 40 virgins behind hehe

  On 11/21/2012 at 6:00 AM, compson said:

Brian has to be trolling, he said he would love if "jewish conspiracy could explain all that happened and currently happens in the world"

He's not trolling, he's just a traditional French anti-semite, they've been doing it for centuries