IDF have told The Times they expect to invade Gaza this weekend.

  On 11/26/2012 at 10:06 PM, Hoodie said:

god is not the problem. groupthink is the problem. the growth of atheism means nothing. other bigoted, irrational groups will replace the hole that mainstream religion will leave with increasing secularism.

well said.

The downfall of religion will not create a utopia. Its the idea that, usually, as has been proven throughout history, the more we become skeptical about the natural world and the universe, the greater chance these forms of skepticism can enhance our lives in the way of theory, technology, environment, and so on.

"Religion in and of itself is fine and dandy. More diversity in opinions and world-views is never a bad thing. The problem, however, is that most religions are not just religions, but also happen to be authoritarian ideologies. Authoritarian ideologies seek to bring about a state of affairs where toleration of beliefs you disagree with would be impossible - as those beliefs would be officially repressed. Tolerating them, therefore, is self-contradictory."

Religion is not the be-all end-all cancer upon the earth. It is a symptom that indicates treatment.

also, in response to the blackface...surely Israelis laugh off the idea that Obama will cease support for Israel? right?

Well put! And lots of agreement from my side.

yeah, well said to hoodie & smetty there, summed up what i was blabbing on about very nicely. =]

Also well put! Luke viia, you were blabbing as usual. ;-)

to me, the current conflicts have nothing to do with religion. the way that some men manipulate religion in their own interest is the real problem. the french situation with religion is so absurd and manipulated, muslims and catholics are being pushed one against the other, and the people have been so brainwashed by the media they're unable to realize that they're falling into a trap, that is a clash of civilizations.

the french government is mainly masonic and pro-zionist (not kidding). might have something to do with that

I think Religion is a pretty big deal in regards to perspective because it deals with the biggest fear of them all, death. So agree to disagree. Until society stops deluding themselves that they're on some righteous path towards heaven, this place around us will always subsequently be treated as less than.

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dohF1YAQopc

*ducks for flamewar*

hahaha

at last, words of truth

that can't be for real. no politician would say that.

hahaha

awesome, isn't it.

i floled

for a second there i had a real WTF moment.

  On 11/27/2012 at 5:01 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

the french government is mainly masonic and pro-zionist (not kidding). might have something to do with that

bullshit. plain and utter. ive heard idiots flinging around misguided attempts at seeming historically literate by claiming the french were "usurped" by Jewish bankers during the French Revolution which is at best naively misled, nonsensical and inaccurate and at worst dangerously revisionist. Not to even start on the fucking fact that economic stability and antisemitism continued after the French Revolution (read:Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion HOAX) which affected multiple Jewish families.

Now, to the whole stupid fucking "banker cartel Zionist" bullshit Ive been hearing ad nauseum. Im not a fan of modern Israeli policy, Ill admit that. But Israel as a modern state has fucking nothing to do with the majority of Jewish citizens around the world. As was mentioned before, the very concept of Zionism is interpreted many different ways and in terms of political goals by many different Jewish factions over word history across disparate parts of the globe.

This, even though misled and ignorant, still has buttfuck-all to do with the fact that even supposing that 6 banking families controlled the world, Judaism would AT BEST be a minor consideration in terms of overall achievement. Please, oh fucking please show me the evidence that indicates these banking cartel syndicates are acting PURELY for the sake of Jewish Zionism. Hint: you won't FUCKING FIND ANY.

Banking does not automatically equal= Zionist Jews, as is evident in the case of the Fuggers' loans to BOTH the French and the Americans during their respective revolutions (read: The Fugger family WAS NOT JEWISH, BUT GERMAN PROTESTANT). Can't wait to here stormfront evidence challenging this.

I won't delve into this absolute baseless BS nonsense any further, but I will finish with this. Those of you on this forum and elsewhere who choose to adhere to the idea that Zionist Jews control the entirety of the modern banking system and thus the world's economy are nothing but a last pathetic squeal of anti-Semitic revisionism desperately holding out from the ashes of pre-Renaissance Europe. If banks are your enemy, then you enemy is banks. Zionism has fuck-all to do with it in the larger construct of things.

So fuck off back to your holes of historical revisionism, completely baseless in not only tact and display of presentation but almost universal lack of credibility from the scientific, sociological, historical, and political community.

Next Im probably going to hear about how J.P. Morgan was a secret Jew in disguise, and that the Dreyfus Affair was carefully calculated by the Zionist usurped French government to distract from the new Jew banking cartels exacting complete and dictatorial control over Western Europe.

3 pages later and still lolling at Eugene's outright denial that Israel has compulsory aka forced military service since only 70% or so end up serving

  On 11/28/2012 at 4:51 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/27/2012 at 5:01 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

the french government is mainly masonic and pro-zionist (not kidding). might have something to do with that

 

 

bullshit. plain and utter. ive heard idiots flinging around misguided attempts at seeming historically literate by claiming the french were "usurped" by Jewish bankers during the French Revolution which is at best naively misled, nonsensical and inaccurate and at worst dangerously revisionist. Not to even start on the fucking fact that economic stability and antisemitism continued after the French Revolution (read:Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion HOAX) which affected multiple Jewish families.

 

Now, to the whole stupid fucking "banker cartel Zionist" bullshit Ive been hearing ad nauseum. Im not a fan of modern Israeli policy, Ill admit that. But Israel as a modern state has fucking nothing to do with the majority of Jewish citizens around the world. As was mentioned before, the very concept of Zionism is interpreted many different ways and in terms of political goals by many different Jewish factions over word history across disparate parts of the globe.

 

This, even though misled and ignorant, still has buttfuck-all to do with the fact that even supposing that 6 banking families controlled the world, Judaism would AT BEST be a minor consideration in terms of overall achievement. Please, oh fucking please show me the evidence that indicates these banking cartel syndicates are acting PURELY for the sake of Jewish Zionism. Hint: you won't FUCKING FIND ANY.

 

Banking does not automatically equal= Zionist Jews, as is evident in the case of the Fuggers' loans to BOTH the French and the Americans during their respective revolutions (read: The Fugger family WAS NOT JEWISH, BUT GERMAN PROTESTANT). Can't wait to here stormfront evidence challenging this.

 

I won't delve into this absolute baseless BS nonsense any further, but I will finish with this. Those of you on this forum and elsewhere who choose to adhere to the idea that Zionist Jews control the entirety of the modern banking system and thus the world's economy are nothing but a last pathetic squeal of anti-Semitic revisionism desperately holding out from the ashes of pre-Renaissance Europe. If banks are your enemy, then you enemy is banks. Zionism has fuck-all to do with it in the larger construct of things.

 

So fuck off back to your holes of historical revisionism, completely baseless in not only tact and display of presentation but almost universal lack of credibility from the scientific, sociological, historical, and political community.

 

Next Im probably going to hear about how J.P. Morgan was a secret Jew in disguise, and that the Dreyfus Affair was carefully calculated by the Zionist usurped French government to distract from the new Jew banking cartels exacting complete and dictatorial control over Western Europe.

Good post. Although for my own sanity I'm going to assume Brian is trolling.

there was a ridiculous amount of spelling errors, but i was so enraged at the fact this shit was still going on I just had to get it off the chest. im not even gonna edit that sandwich.

  On 11/28/2012 at 5:04 AM, Awepittance said:

3 pages later and still lolling at Eugene's outright denial that Israel has compulsory aka forced military service since only 70% or so end up serving

You shouldn't gloat so obviously in your self-perceived righteousness. I mean, why? What's your point?

edit: IMO

To go off on a slight tangent, there was a really good article in the Wall Street Journal about the creation of the "Iron Dome" tech that shoots down rockets (video which Eugene posted earlier). Quite IDM, and also pro-Obama administration (they promoted the system even when the US military said it wouldn't work...and ta-da, 80+% success rate).

I'd link it but it seems to require a subscription, jerks...

  On 11/28/2012 at 5:04 AM, Awepittance said:

3 pages later and still lolling at Eugene's outright denial that Israel has compulsory aka forced military service since only 70% or so end up serving

are you able to think only in binaries, full conscription/no conscription ? israel's conscription isn't applied to all of the citizens by law (or at least a universally accepted understanding), and that's it basically. i only denied something that your sister said, namely that everyone in israel who reaches the right age is forced to go to the military.

  On 11/28/2012 at 4:51 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/27/2012 at 5:01 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

the french government is mainly masonic and pro-zionist (not kidding). might have something to do with that

 

 

bullshit. plain and utter. ive heard idiots flinging around misguided attempts at seeming historically literate by claiming the french were "usurped" by Jewish bankers during the French Revolution which is at best naively misled, nonsensical and inaccurate and at worst dangerously revisionist. Not to even start on the fucking fact that economic stability and antisemitism continued after the French Revolution (read:Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion HOAX) which affected multiple Jewish families.

 

Now, to the whole stupid fucking "banker cartel Zionist" bullshit Ive been hearing ad nauseum. Im not a fan of modern Israeli policy, Ill admit that. But Israel as a modern state has fucking nothing to do with the majority of Jewish citizens around the world. As was mentioned before, the very concept of Zionism is interpreted many different ways and in terms of political goals by many different Jewish factions over word history across disparate parts of the globe.

 

This, even though misled and ignorant, still has buttfuck-all to do with the fact that even supposing that 6 banking families controlled the world, Judaism would AT BEST be a minor consideration in terms of overall achievement. Please, oh fucking please show me the evidence that indicates these banking cartel syndicates are acting PURELY for the sake of Jewish Zionism. Hint: you won't FUCKING FIND ANY.

 

Banking does not automatically equal= Zionist Jews, as is evident in the case of the Fuggers' loans to BOTH the French and the Americans during their respective revolutions (read: The Fugger family WAS NOT JEWISH, BUT GERMAN PROTESTANT). Can't wait to here stormfront evidence challenging this.

 

I won't delve into this absolute baseless BS nonsense any further, but I will finish with this. Those of you on this forum and elsewhere who choose to adhere to the idea that Zionist Jews control the entirety of the modern banking system and thus the world's economy are nothing but a last pathetic squeal of anti-Semitic revisionism desperately holding out from the ashes of pre-Renaissance Europe. If banks are your enemy, then you enemy is banks. Zionism has fuck-all to do with it in the larger construct of things.

 

So fuck off back to your holes of historical revisionism, completely baseless in not only tact and display of presentation but almost universal lack of credibility from the scientific, sociological, historical, and political community.

 

Next Im probably going to hear about how J.P. Morgan was a secret Jew in disguise, and that the Dreyfus Affair was carefully calculated by the Zionist usurped French government to distract from the new Jew banking cartels exacting complete and dictatorial control over Western Europe.

chill out dude. you're safe here.

where in this thread have you read someone saying that zionist bankers control the world? why do you care so much about people having problems with some jews or zionists? what have those people done to you? by the way i'm not trolling. what you seem to identify as plain stupid anti-semitism is in fact skepticism and distrust regarding zionist lobbies. if you think my suspicion is only oriented to those people, be assured i have the same attitude towards many other groups of people.

  On 11/28/2012 at 8:48 AM, lumpenprol said:

To go off on a slight tangent, there was a really good article in the Wall Street Journal about the creation of the "Iron Dome" tech that shoots down rockets (video which Eugene posted earlier). Quite IDM, and also pro-Obama administration (they promoted the system even when the US military said it wouldn't work...and ta-da, 80+% success rate).

 

I'd link it but it seems to require a subscription, jerks...

Wired's defense/military blog has covered it in detail, interesting and impressive technology.

I'm going to be magically (i.e. impossibly) non-political to state the following: America could learn a lot from Israel's defense industry. Whether it's through extensive modification (updating French Mirage fighters), clever re-purposing (converting soviet tanks into urban troop carriers), or domestic projects (Iron Dome being one of many) they've made superior military tech with little cost and bureaucracy compared to the U.S. We used Israeli built drones in the early 90s before we had any operational.

Iron Dome is quite odd - we're literally funding a project we have no input in designing and ironically it performs far better than the missile defense systems the DoD has poured billions into. Highlights why the present state of America's defense spending and development efforts is so embarrassingly corrupt and inefficient.

  On 11/28/2012 at 6:00 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

  On 11/28/2012 at 4:51 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/27/2012 at 5:01 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

the french government is mainly masonic and pro-zionist (not kidding). might have something to do with that

 

 

bullshit. plain and utter. ive heard idiots flinging around misguided attempts at seeming historically literate by claiming the french were "usurped" by Jewish bankers during the French Revolution which is at best naively misled, nonsensical and inaccurate and at worst dangerously revisionist. Not to even start on the fucking fact that economic stability and antisemitism continued after the French Revolution (read:Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion HOAX) which affected multiple Jewish families.

 

Now, to the whole stupid fucking "banker cartel Zionist" bullshit Ive been hearing ad nauseum. Im not a fan of modern Israeli policy, Ill admit that. But Israel as a modern state has fucking nothing to do with the majority of Jewish citizens around the world. As was mentioned before, the very concept of Zionism is interpreted many different ways and in terms of political goals by many different Jewish factions over word history across disparate parts of the globe.

 

This, even though misled and ignorant, still has buttfuck-all to do with the fact that even supposing that 6 banking families controlled the world, Judaism would AT BEST be a minor consideration in terms of overall achievement. Please, oh fucking please show me the evidence that indicates these banking cartel syndicates are acting PURELY for the sake of Jewish Zionism. Hint: you won't FUCKING FIND ANY.

 

Banking does not automatically equal= Zionist Jews, as is evident in the case of the Fuggers' loans to BOTH the French and the Americans during their respective revolutions (read: The Fugger family WAS NOT JEWISH, BUT GERMAN PROTESTANT). Can't wait to here stormfront evidence challenging this.

 

I won't delve into this absolute baseless BS nonsense any further, but I will finish with this. Those of you on this forum and elsewhere who choose to adhere to the idea that Zionist Jews control the entirety of the modern banking system and thus the world's economy are nothing but a last pathetic squeal of anti-Semitic revisionism desperately holding out from the ashes of pre-Renaissance Europe. If banks are your enemy, then you enemy is banks. Zionism has fuck-all to do with it in the larger construct of things.

 

So fuck off back to your holes of historical revisionism, completely baseless in not only tact and display of presentation but almost universal lack of credibility from the scientific, sociological, historical, and political community.

 

Next Im probably going to hear about how J.P. Morgan was a secret Jew in disguise, and that the Dreyfus Affair was carefully calculated by the Zionist usurped French government to distract from the new Jew banking cartels exacting complete and dictatorial control over Western Europe.

 

chill out dude. you're safe here.

where in this thread have you read someone saying that zionist bankers control the world? why do you care so much about people having problems with some jews or zionists? what have those people done to you? by the way i'm not trolling. what you seem to identify as plain stupid anti-semitism is in fact skepticism and distrust regarding zionist lobbies. if you think my suspicion is only oriented to those people, be assured i have the same attitude towards many other groups of people.

skepticism of the Holocaust combined with the statement that the French government is under control of the Masons makes it pretty easy to read between the lines.

edit: the rant was also meant to address a couple of other ill-informed people in here, your post just happened to be the one that set me off. so ill apologize for that, but not for anything i said in the rant.

  On 11/29/2012 at 3:42 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/28/2012 at 6:00 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

  On 11/28/2012 at 4:51 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/27/2012 at 5:01 PM, Brian Tregaskin said:

the french government is mainly masonic and pro-zionist (not kidding). might have something to do with that

 

 

bullshit. plain and utter. ive heard idiots flinging around misguided attempts at seeming historically literate by claiming the french were "usurped" by Jewish bankers during the French Revolution which is at best naively misled, nonsensical and inaccurate and at worst dangerously revisionist. Not to even start on the fucking fact that economic stability and antisemitism continued after the French Revolution (read:Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion HOAX) which affected multiple Jewish families.

 

Now, to the whole stupid fucking "banker cartel Zionist" bullshit Ive been hearing ad nauseum. Im not a fan of modern Israeli policy, Ill admit that. But Israel as a modern state has fucking nothing to do with the majority of Jewish citizens around the world. As was mentioned before, the very concept of Zionism is interpreted many different ways and in terms of political goals by many different Jewish factions over word history across disparate parts of the globe.

 

This, even though misled and ignorant, still has buttfuck-all to do with the fact that even supposing that 6 banking families controlled the world, Judaism would AT BEST be a minor consideration in terms of overall achievement. Please, oh fucking please show me the evidence that indicates these banking cartel syndicates are acting PURELY for the sake of Jewish Zionism. Hint: you won't FUCKING FIND ANY.

 

Banking does not automatically equal= Zionist Jews, as is evident in the case of the Fuggers' loans to BOTH the French and the Americans during their respective revolutions (read: The Fugger family WAS NOT JEWISH, BUT GERMAN PROTESTANT). Can't wait to here stormfront evidence challenging this.

 

I won't delve into this absolute baseless BS nonsense any further, but I will finish with this. Those of you on this forum and elsewhere who choose to adhere to the idea that Zionist Jews control the entirety of the modern banking system and thus the world's economy are nothing but a last pathetic squeal of anti-Semitic revisionism desperately holding out from the ashes of pre-Renaissance Europe. If banks are your enemy, then you enemy is banks. Zionism has fuck-all to do with it in the larger construct of things.

 

So fuck off back to your holes of historical revisionism, completely baseless in not only tact and display of presentation but almost universal lack of credibility from the scientific, sociological, historical, and political community.

 

Next Im probably going to hear about how J.P. Morgan was a secret Jew in disguise, and that the Dreyfus Affair was carefully calculated by the Zionist usurped French government to distract from the new Jew banking cartels exacting complete and dictatorial control over Western Europe.

 

chill out dude. you're safe here.

where in this thread have you read someone saying that zionist bankers control the world? why do you care so much about people having problems with some jews or zionists? what have those people done to you? by the way i'm not trolling. what you seem to identify as plain stupid anti-semitism is in fact skepticism and distrust regarding zionist lobbies. if you think my suspicion is only oriented to those people, be assured i have the same attitude towards many other groups of people.

 

skepticism of the Holocaust combined with the statement that the French government is under control of the Masons makes it pretty easy to read between the lines.

 

 

edit: the rant was also meant to address a couple of other ill-informed people in here, your post just happened to be the one that set me off. so ill apologize for that, but not for anything i said in the rant.

so you think freemasonry is nothing but business networking? and regarding zionism, you should really see how things work in france.

My grandfather was a master mason and he was basically just an old dude making very little money in bumfuck, Florida, and playing checkers at the lodge on the weekends, and occasionally doing some charity work, like helping to build a house for people who were in even shittier straights than he in bumfuck, Florida.

I think the only person he ever voted for was Eisenhower.

Freemasons are really good at making people think they're actually interesting. That's sort of the opposite of how a rational conspiracy would operate.

Obviously there are "freemasons" who wield much more power. There are also Catholics atheists, Muslims, Jews, agnostics, Germans, and even inbred dipshits who wield much more power. Every organization, public or private, with a backroom, will engage in backroom shenanigans in order to consolidate power and money.

Consolidating power and money is pretty much the goal of every group of people equal to or greater than two in number. Most high-level "conspiracies" are indistinguishable from business transactions. You just pick the group that scares you the most and paint them as demons.

You'd be surprised at how mundane most of this shit is.

Basically, to clarify, people are power-hungry shitheads, all of them.