A pair of explosions rocks the finish line at the Boston Marathon, injuring at least a half-dozen people.

  On 4/26/2013 at 10:08 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

does any video footage exist of the 19 year old's actual arrest? I saw a still picture of him standing up outside of the boat with his hands up, he didn't appear to have any bullet wounds. Does the Boston PD claim he was shooting at them?

Did anybody ever explain what type of explosives they allegedly threw out of the car during the chase? Was the suicide vest fear totally bogus maybe from watching too much Homeland?

that part is a bit odd. there was a fire fight and we was shooting at them from the boat. then it was released that no weapon was recovered from the boat or on him. he had bullet wounds to the head, neck and legs.

  On 4/26/2013 at 9:54 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

I guess I'm late to the party, have they released any hard evidence yet that proves they are guilty? Even something like an interview with the dude who has his SUV hijacked would suffice.

this is the dude who was hijacked, it is an amazing read...

<http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/25/carjack-victim-recounts-his-harrowing-night/BhQWGzarWee8MZ6KtMHJNN/story.html>

Fuck this feeling sorry for the younger brother stuff. If anything I find him more frightening than the older brother, based on what I've read. OK so the older brother seemed more extreme and angry, but the younger brother comes off as a complete sociopath. It sounds like the younger brother had a fair amount of friends, was well liked, was very laid back etc, and everyone that knew him is shocked by this. Well that's because he was a complete sociopath that clearly had no problem fronting as a well adjusted and well liked person, and oh yeah, bombing civilians. Then he just carries on with his life having casual conversations with people about how awful the bombing was, at parties. Yes, perhaps we can trace this back to a long history of his brother influencing him, but where does the personal responsibility come in? He could have backed out, he could have turned his brother in, he could have turned himself in after the bombings if he was remorseful, but he did none of those things. He was going to keep going with all of this.

So for all of you saying you feel bad for him, I don't know what fucking drugs you are on.

There have been plenty of people that had harder lives than he has in the history of this planet and not all of them go around killing innocent people, so while yes you can point fingers towards general motivators, to in anyway try to remove responsibility from him is insane.

  On 4/26/2013 at 5:37 PM, Kcinsu said:

Fuck this feeling sorry for the younger brother stuff. If anything I find him more frightening than the older brother, based on what I've read. OK so the older brother seemed more extreme and angry, but the younger brother comes off as a complete sociopath. It sounds like the younger brother had a fair amount of friends, was well liked, was very laid back etc, and everyone that knew him is shocked by this. Well that's because he was a complete sociopath that clearly had no problem fronting as a well adjusted and well liked person, and oh yeah, bombing civilians. Then he just carries on with his life having casual conversations with people about how awful the bombing was, at parties. Yes, perhaps we can trace this back to a long history of his brother influencing him, but where does the personal responsibility come in? He could have backed out, he could have turned his brother in, he could have turned himself in after the bombings if he was remorseful, but he did none of those things. He was going to keep going with all of this.

 

So for all of you saying you feel bad for him, I don't know what fucking drugs you are on.

 

There have been plenty of people that had harder lives than he has in the history of this planet and not all of them go around killing innocent people, so while yes you can point fingers towards general motivators, to in anyway try to remove responsibility from him is insane.

yes this was exactly my thought, which I posted a while back but not as clearly and well-put as you just did. The younger brother strikes me as much more sinister.

agreed

but the question remains...

that account of the Chinese kid they kidnapped is friggin' amazing. He is "an hero", for sure. Very good at thinking on his feet. I simply cannot imagine what he must have felt when he made the final decision to unbuckle his seatbelt and open the door at the same time to jump out. If the seatbelt had snagged, or he had fumbled the door latch, his brains probably would have ended up on the window.

Talk about balls of steel. Zhongguo jia you!

yea, that was a ballsy move. he probably figured he was dead either way; might as well try to escape.

so it turns out he didn't have a gun in the boat at all but the cops still almost killed him (just saw Jules' post and confirmed it via other sources)? Is everybody just ok with this since they are 'scum bags' ? 'Merica

this alone calls into question any eye witness testimony by police officers involved, including the reasons why they killed the first guy which now seem even more questionable in light of this fact.

Not enough info.

At least one of them had a gun, according to the guy who was car-jacked, and he was told after they picked up supplies that they both then had guns, so that is the info the police were going off of. What happened to the gun between then and being caught, who knows? Maybe he ran out of bullets and dropped the gun.

Do you have a link that lays out the known facts thus far? I haven't had a lot of time to read up on much the last few days, and reports are all over the place. I'd be interested to see a list of facts that we do know.

well the cops are all claiming he had a gun until I believe some detectives working the crime scene afterwards told the press there was unequivocally no gun found at the scene.

The most convincing evidence I've seen that he may have been shot unprovoked is there is a a picture of him standing up out of the boat with his hands up with no visible bullet wounds or blood. What I want to know is what happened in between the time the pic was taken and when he was on a stretcher with a bullet in his throat. Can't find the picture at the moment, but once I find it I will post it

also what the fuck is happening around :38 in this video

Heat in this thermal imagining is designated with black, looks like some kind of ordinance or shell possibly being shot into the boat, but again this is pure speculation I didn't read this anywhere just found this vid in the process of trying to find the photo in question

I suppose this imagine is grainy enough where you can't really tell but this



was taken shortly before this

do you have a link to the picture of him with his hands in the air? Yeah, that one is too grainy,

re: the video at 38... are you talking about the explosion looking things? I read that they threw flash bang grenades in the boat.

  On 4/26/2013 at 6:23 PM, lumpenprol said:

He is "an hero", for sure.

i don't think that means what you think it means

ah thanks. Just did. "The more you know"

yea those explosions are the flash bang grenades. he could have sustained the throat injury from those as they popped off pretty much on top of him.

A welcome character piece about tamerlan in the nytimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/us/shot-at-boxing-title-denied-tamerlan-tsarnaev-reeled.html?hp&_r=1&pagewanted=all&

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From one year to the next, though, the tournament rules had changed, disqualifying legal permanent residents — not only Mr. Tsarnaev, who was Soviet-born of Chechen and Dagestani heritage, but several other New England contenders, too. His aspirations frustrated, he dropped out of boxing competition entirely, and his life veered in a completely different direction.

 

Mr. Tsarnaev portrayed his quitting as a reflection of the sport’s incompatibility with his growing devotion to Islam. But as dozens of interviews with friends, acquaintances and relatives from Cambridge, Mass., to Dagestan showed, that devotion, and the suspected radicalization that accompanied it, was a path he followed most avidly only after his more secular dreams were dashed in 2010 and he was left adrift.

 

That is a good, balanced piece. He sounds like a young hothead with a lot of swagger and not much sense:

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If Mr. Tsarnaev was chastened by the defeat, it did not temper his behavior. During a preliminary round of the New England Golden Gloves in 2010, in a breach of boxing etiquette, he entered the locker room to taunt not only the fighter he was about to face but also the fighter’s trainer. Wearing a cowboy hat and alligator-skin cowboy boots, he gave the two men a disdainful once-over and said: “You’re nothing. I’m taking you down.”

 

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Usagi?

@ limp: Yeah, you get the feeling there is a somewhat understandable backstory creating a context to what could lead someone to do what he did. Although a family tragedy would make more sense, imo. He's leaving behind a wife and 3 years old daughter. I can't understand how he could leave them behind the way he did. Feels like some pieces of the puzzle are still missing.

And, like others said, what about his younger brother? As far as I can tell, he didn't have such a problematic story. More like the opposite. I kinda get the feeling he doesn't understand the difference between reality and hollywood movies. As if he's an actor in some Die Hard episode. But that's just some self fabricated projection coming from my own inner theater.

  On 4/28/2013 at 12:02 PM, goDel said:

He's leaving behind a wife and 3 years old daughter. I can't understand how he could leave them behind the way he did.

 

Do you understand why he did this? I don't. I can't think of a reason to leave my daughter behind. But he did. What space of understanding have you left for him? I don't think his family comes into play in this instance. Why is it so bizarre for him to negate his family if he is willing to blow up other people?

  On 4/28/2013 at 12:02 PM, goDel said:

Usagi?

 

@ limp: Yeah, you get the feeling there is a somewhat understandable backstory creating a context to what could lead someone to do what he did. Although a family tragedy would make more sense, imo. He's leaving behind a wife and 3 years old daughter. I can't understand how he could leave them behind the way he did. Feels like some pieces of the puzzle are still missing.

 

And, like others said, what about his younger brother? As far as I can tell, he didn't have such a problematic story. More like the opposite. I kinda get the feeling he doesn't understand the difference between reality and hollywood movies. As if he's an actor in some Die Hard episode. But that's just some self fabricated projection coming from my own inner theater.

Yeah I don't know.

Robert Sapolsky said something interesting about terrorism, about how once upon of time it was mostly poor uneducated kids with no roots or purpose as the foot soldiers. But in the last few years you find alot more wealthy educated people with family and community ties.

I think we will find out alot about these two people when we find out what their motivation was. That probably sounds obvious but what I mean is that murderers virtually always have a history of stress and trauma, whereas terrorists don't necessarily.

Hey, maybe it boils down solely to ideology. It's possible.

I think it's conceivable that--given the right type of influence--a more-or-less reasonable person might be convinced that violence is a legitimate political tool. And furthermore, it is conceivable that a reasonable person could see political violence as being akin to the trolley problem: this is not impossible as I have personally seen many reasonable intelligent people concede that Hiroshima--while itself awful--had a positive net effect for humanity.

(obviously I'm a pacifist and I abhor violence. I'm just shedding possible explanations for their behavior)

If I had to guess (mostly based on the Tweets) I'd say they did not value human life and had ideological motivation (e.g. "down with modern society"). As the two were brothers maybe there was a gene-environment interaction at the root of their behavior (i.e. a genetic psychopathology that was inert until some external trigger like stress or anger), or perhaps something to do with mirror neurons, or maybe a neurochemical deficiency related to the amygdala. Or who knows.

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they were depressed about no new BoC. If only they had waited a few days...

maybe they are boc?!

Well, someone had to say it...

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A YouTube user with the screenname "BuckinghamCindy" uploaded a video of the verbal clash between an unseen Boston resident and Dan Bidondi, a "correspondent" for Infowars.

 

"What you say is dangerous and people like you shouldn't be able to drive a car much less espouse your opinions in public," the Boston resident said. "But we have a First Amendment. We gotta protect it. But you're an asshole and so's Alex Jones."

@essines: there's not much space left. But the thing is where could you draw a line where you'd say " fuck it, this guy is wack and i shouldn't even try to understand". I can understand why you put the line where you put it, but I'm not willing to let it go that easily. Call it being stubborn.

It's pretty sick when you consider that the 3 years old girl has to grow up as the child of the Boston Marathon bomber, btw. I wish her all the best.

  On 4/30/2013 at 2:44 AM, LimpyLoo said:

I think it's conceivable that--given the right type of influence--a more-or-less reasonable person might be convinced that violence is a legitimate political tool.

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Because it is.

Not saying that this atrocity was justified in any sense, btw, or even that it was a political act - I'm not sure it was, and to be honest I'm not really following the coverage - but of course violence, properly directed, can be a legitimate and necessary political tool.

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(pretty very graphic picture around 4:05 - 4:30)

so is this the general consensus in the us now or what? atleast you'd think that listening to how fucking smug this dude sounds. like "everyone knows it was staged, c'mon now, don't be an idiot lol".