A pair of explosions rocks the finish line at the Boston Marathon, injuring at least a half-dozen people.

Yeah why do law enforcement have lethal rounds to begin with?

in the US, so that criminals take them seriously. And so they don't feel totally exposed going up against bad guys with hand-cannons.

 

It's a fucked up arms race, where firepower begets firepower.

  On 5/23/2013 at 8:06 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Yeah why do law enforcement have lethal rounds to begin with?

Because criminals do..

  On 5/23/2013 at 3:52 AM, lumpenprol said:

ok, fair enough, sorry if I pre-judged. I felt like you were insinuating that they killed an innocent guy and were trying to cover something up.

 

why would you jump to conclusions like that? people here, and even awepittance specifically, holding theories about the government being behind eeeeeeevil shit?! pshaw! i mean, you're only still posting on page 40 of a thread that started out being about a bunch of people who got their legs blown off, but that has become all about false flag attacks, and for a while was about how it was probably some white people, possibly right wingers, and has been full of people using big words and trying to look like a bunch of intellectual junior detectives, all up in an intellectual debate about false flag attacks. i would imagine that if you were to tally, there would be more posts expressing concern for the bros getting fair treatment, probably/possibly being set up, or of there being little evidence of their guilt even after they kicked off a spree by shooting an MIT cop, that involved them hijacking/abducting, robbing, and tossing bombs at cops, than there would be posts expressing concern for all the people who got their fucking legs blown off.

 

tbh though the kid being shot is kind of suspicious. if there's anything going on with THAT, could it just be a simple matter that the FBI didn't want more details coming out about how bad they fucked up with these Tsarnev bros? if any of you lunkheads want to wax about possible conspiracy angles on this kid being shot by the feds, should maybe that be the main angle? lets see, they were warned by the russians about the older brother because they had a phone call where he talked with his mom about jihad and her text messages where she said he was ready to die for islam, the fbi investigated him and turned up nothing (i guess his youtube activity supporting jihad was irrelevent), sounds like there were plenty of signs that he was trouble, but heaven forbid they act on any of that. i mean, it would be insensitive in this PC world that's been built as of lately. allowing people to come and live in our country even when they hate us, and even paying for their stay, has become the new american way! the terrorists get all the best training RIGHT HERE! so maybe this other kid was yet another piece of the puzzle that would show just how far the FBI went out of their way in the name of liberalism/PC, to ignore red flags and allow these bros to remain here and blow a bunch of people up? can anyone think of a better possible angle?

 

but in general, this thread is a total joke. is there any possible tragedy that can happen that wouldn't be the government's doing? seriously. any possible thing? also, why is it that when things happen under a republican president, it's that president who's actually the shadowy figure behind the thing, but when it's a democrat president, your fucking idiotic theories are just a more generic and vague notion that 'america' is behind it? and since we all know democrats disdain anything resembling patriotism, we can rule them out. it's the OTHER america. you know, the BAD one. but- why isn't it obama that probably blew those peoples' legs off? he's the one using remote control drones like they were a video game, blowing people up on a monitor. maybe he wants to get to the next level (chechnya)? why did bush get all these labels and comparisons of being worse than hitler, masterminding 9/11 so the chinese could end up buying the iraqi oil fields, and yet obama and dems have pretty much ran things for 4+ yrs and he doesn't get any of those labels? he's not mentioned in your bullshit retarded theories about false flags even though HE is the commander in chief? if bush were still president it wouldn't be vague ideas about this being some shady thing, it would be specific theories about bush calling the shots to start another war. obama has actually escalated the wars plenty though and he's a swell guy. not behind anything. the idea that boston was an inside job, BUT that somehow it was still done by republican types is palpable. and it's slobering retarded. it makes forrest gump look like a genius.

 

my conspiracy theory- there is something in a lot of you peoples' drinking water. i mean, awepittance is sure that the tsarnev bros just weren't behind this, but his theory is still in alpha. i guess it simply MUST be a white guy behind all of the killing, and so we'll just work from that as a given. please be sure to tell us when you've pinpointed the mr big (bush? cheney? the koch bros? me? or maybe it's warp records, up to their old tricks?). and you people trying to be a voice of reason, actually debating this utter bullshit and trying to be all scientific about it are almost just as bad. people are without legs and you're making a sick joke out of it. obviously there are some loose ends, but the tsarnev's involvement should be accepted by even the dumbest of special people. it's like some of you have a mental illness where the real world just isn't exciting enough and so you've written yourselves into a stereotypical hollywood conspiracy movie. i imagine some of you as an alternate version of mel gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory except where he's just a complete idiot who is totally wrong about all of his ideas, but still lives in a place with all these papers and circles on details of photocopied pictures pinned up on his walls, random words high-lighted etc, trying to find some code in the news.

Edited May 26, 2013 by MisterE

i'm glad to see you got your new adderal prescription, but it's ok to take the bug out of your ass over me now. I won't mind

MrE, you have a point (though the majority of what you said I think was unnecessarily caustic)...it is odd for us to go from the bombing to false-flag accusations, and this certainly isn't the first thread where this has happened. But therein lies the answer; its a 40 page long thread...are people meant to just repost the same pictures of blown off ligaments and camera angles ad nauseaum?

it was pretty caustic i guess

but hey it's been over a month since i've posted a rant!

lick my sac guys!

 

Have you actually read the thread, or was it just a quick scan where you just assumed the thread to be full of the stereotypical thinfoilerisms? Thanks for your summary of the last 40 pages though.

  On 5/26/2013 at 10:31 AM, goDel said:

Have you actually read the thread, or was it just a quick scan where you just assumed the thread to be full of the stereotypical thinfoilerisms? Thanks for your summary of the last 40 pages though.

i read more of the thread than i wish i ever had.

WE ARE ALL COMMUSLAVES FOR LORD OBAMA HAIL HIS NAME>

 

and dude, wtf is up with that avatar?

Edited May 27, 2013 by MisterE

no, it's not true at all.

 

any other questions?

 

edit: you clearly have an axe to grind with awe which i don't wish to get into but it's worth pointing out that he has been one of the more outspoken critics of obama since before he was even elected. you seem unaware of that.

Edited May 27, 2013 by Alcofribas

i'm totally willing to admit that my own politics color my world view, but can you not admit the same? You seem to keep trying to pretend you don't hold right leaning and/or centrist beliefs about the world in general, are you ashamed to 'come out' as a conservative on a forum full of liberals? You just seem really dishonest in general about your approach. If you were just forward about your own politics (instead of faux rationalism) I might start reading instead of skimming your posts. For a man with such a seemingly energetic and aggressive way of communicating, your approach seems very cowardly to me.

edit: just the fact that you continuously rely on strawman arguments to make your points when you absolutely don't need to. There are plenty of criticisms you can level at my viewpoints, but you don't need to distort the truth and exaggerate to get there

edit2: so i see you're still reading the thread, so man up and tell us where you stand instead of stealthily reacting to the politics of others. Or are you incapable of such an act?

Edited May 27, 2013 by John Ehrlichman

  On 5/27/2013 at 5:10 AM, MisterE said:

 

and dude, wtf is up with that avatar?

 

  On 5/27/2013 at 5:19 AM, Alcofribas said:

no, it's not true at all.

 

any other questions?

 

edit: you clearly have an axe to grind with awe which i don't wish to get into but it's worth pointing out that he has been one of the more outspoken critics of obama since before he was even elected. you seem unaware of that.

no. i mention awe for some specific things but he's not the only person i'm talking about. how is it not true that obama isn't brought into any of these theories where bush would have been? it is 100% absolutely dead true. just as my point that some people are still disappointed that it didn't turn out to be good ole' anglo saxon descended white americans behind the bombings, instead of foreign muslims, which obviously helps spur along the creation of these theories. if it HAD turned out that the 'official suspects' were those wacky extremist Tea Partiers, for example, then it would be considered and open and shut case around here and the probably thousands of similar threads out there across the net. it doesn't matter whether you can bring yourself to admit it. it's true. and i stil haven't seen even awe himself bring obama into THIS (but the main point is that nobody has).

 

and as far as having an axe to grind with him.. explain to me how i should have any respect for someone who openly admitted that they believe that committing acts of domestic terrorism is excusable and that the people behind them can be redeemable, IF they are left-wingers doing it in the name of communism, BUT that merely supporting a war that was started AND escalated by democrat presidents would be iredeemable? i mean, how much of a difference is there between the Tsarnev bros and Bill Ayers & crew? sources say that the weathermen had debated using bombs to maim and kill, and the fact that the one that blew their own members up was loaded with shrapnel pretty well proves that they had that intent. just as the Tsarnev's. so if the surviving bro were to get out of prison at some point in the future, and a liberal ran college gave him a tenured position, or he ended up consorting with a Democrat mayor about education reform in a city somewhere, would awe here say it's OK because he redeemed himself?

 

  On 5/27/2013 at 5:19 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

...but can you not admit the same? You seem to keep trying to pretend you don't hold right leaning and/or centrist beliefs about the world in general, are you ashamed to 'come out' as a conservative on a forum full of liberals?

this just isn't really true. it's pretty obvious that i have right-leaning ideas, and i've never denied it. nobody has made a point to bring it up. on the other hand, plenty of people around here WILL deny that they hold mostly left-wing-informed ideas all day long. in fact i see those types of denials just about any time someone actually brings the political side of where these ideas are coming from up. what happens is you get these comments like 'oh man can't we just leave the fake left/right dichotomy out of this?' how many times have you seen that exact comment around here? plenty. it's cute too, isn't it? denying that it exists, in these higly polarized times? btw it's always people who clearly hold mostly liberal ideas who say that. coincidence?

 

  On 5/27/2013 at 5:19 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

You just seem really dishonest in general about your approach. If you were just forward about your own politics (instead of faux rationalism) I might start reading instead of skimming your posts. For a man with such a seemingly energetic and aggressive way of communicating, your approach seems very cowardly to me.

blabla, look i'm not dishonest about it. i've admitted to having obviously right-leaning ideas several times in chatmm. if anyone called me out on it here in the forums i would have done the same. faux rationalism?

 

and yes my political views do color my VIEWS of concepts of right/wrong, just like anyone elses. but i try pretty hard to not allow them to color my perception of or my theories about actual real world events, and i'm not intentionally creating false or misleading theories to help promote my ideology.

 

ps- i had the browser open yes, but i was away doing something else. you may also notice that i'm always logged in, but that's just because i don't log out when i leave.

  On 5/27/2013 at 6:01 AM, pattern recognition said:

 

  On 5/27/2013 at 5:10 AM, MisterE said:

and dude, wtf is up with that avatar?

 

heh, touche. but i was kind of joking with that comment

 

i mean, mine is in your face absurd. his is a big wide area of blue with a tiny little black guy mowing an ms paint lawn. its the subtlety of it's absurdity that throws me off. and why is the guy with the push mower black anyway? is there some kind of statement behind this?

Okay, you guys have pushed me to the edge. It's time I finally admitted...I'm a monarchist.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, times have been a bit bad for us of late, but we're coming back in a big way in 2013!

Lol

 

Just what this thread was missing. Some apologetics toward Bush and his cronies. If Cheney was still in the lead, this wouldnt't have happened?

 

And how right leaning are you anyways, mr. "I try pretty hard not to color my perceptions by my political views". That's for us to decide, isnt it? Dont pat your back you've talked about your views in chatmm.

 

EU-commy present! Legit!

Edited May 27, 2013 by goDel

my avatar is simple

 

 

the black man is our great and unyielding President and Chairman Barrack Obunga from Kenya. the mower represents the proletariat. Our great leader needs to push us to move the great engine of the workers to shred to bits the weeds of capitalism and bourgeois control that bind us down.

"a place chock full of people who obviously pride themselves as being intellectuals"

 

Seriously? And this is one of those WTF moments you're referring to?

 

LOL

  On 5/27/2013 at 6:33 AM, goDel said:

Lol

 

Just what this thread was missing. Some apologetics toward Bush and his cronies.

apologetics? where?

  On 5/27/2013 at 6:33 AM, goDel said:

If Cheney was still in the lead, this wouldnt't have happened?

what? are you drunk? what does any of this have to do with anything? i never said anything at all regarding whether the events would have happened under any other president. i was commenting on the fact that all of the emerging conspiracy theories about the government being behind evil/racist killings to start evil wars, always specifically mentioned bush, would have heavy involvement of any president if he were a repub, but yet the presidential involvement angle is completely and utterly missing from those same theories now that we have obama, as they would be under any dem president, even though obama has continued and/or escalated/expanded pretty much everything that was going on under bush in the war front.

 

  On 5/27/2013 at 6:33 AM, goDel said:

And how right leaning are you anyways, mr. "I try pretty hard not to color my perceptions by my political views". That's for us to decide, isnt it?

i suppose it is! thanks for providing another great reason why i never went out of my way to offer up the very obvious fact that i just might have right leaning ideas. what was the clever point you thought you were making here supposed to be, anyway?

  On 5/27/2013 at 6:33 AM, goDel said:

Dont pat your back you've talked about your views in chatmm.

umm, i'm not? just stating a fact. and i'm pretty sure that i've talked about my views here, in the forums, out in the open, also. probably in the majority of my posts...

  On 5/27/2013 at 7:36 AM, MisterE said:

 

  On 5/27/2013 at 6:33 AM, goDel said:

And how right leaning are you anyways, mr. "I try pretty hard not to color my perceptions by my political views". That's for us to decide, isnt it?

 

i suppose it is! thanks for providing another great reason why i never went out of my way to offer up the very obvious fact that i just might have right leaning ideas. what was the clever point you thought you were making here supposed to be, anyway?

My clever point? None. Just a question out of interest. Haven't seen an answer yet, btw. And still hoping for one. Is that clever enough for you?

 

Edit: how clever is the combination "very obvious fact" and " might have right leaning ideas"? That's obviously close to a being a tautology. Everyone might have right leaning ideas. Even the biggest communist might have right leaning ideas. Obvious, no?

Edited May 27, 2013 by goDel

Mr. E, I would only point you towards collective criticism on this board (at least for the most part) against multiple alleged war crimes the Obama admin. has resided over, namely drone strikes, unauthorized intervention in Libya that violated the War Powers Act, keeping open Guantanamo, etc. etc.

 

I would argue (though awe is awe and I certainly don't mean to speak for him) that Obama isn't being blamed in this "false flag" attack, simply because there is a massive lack of evidence implicating anyone one way or the other on some sort of government level fuck up. I mean, even Benghazi has more to a "cover-up" from the admin than the Boston bombings.

 

false-flag theories for 9/11? I don't necessarily believe or condone them, but I could see how something that massive led to such theories being promulgated. Sandy Hook and Boston bombings? Another story entirely.

  On 5/27/2013 at 7:44 AM, SR4 said:

Mr. E, I would only point you towards collective criticism on this board (at least for the most part) against multiple alleged war crimes the Obama admin. has resided over, namely drone strikes, unauthorized intervention in Libya that violated the War Powers Act, keeping open Guantanamo, etc. etc.

 

I would argue (though awe is awe and I certainly don't mean to speak for him) that Obama isn't being blamed in this "false flag" attack, simply because there is a massive lack of evidence implicating anyone one way or the other on some sort of government level fuck up. I mean, even Benghazi has more to a "cover-up" from the admin than the Boston bombings.

 

false-flag theories for 9/11? I don't necessarily believe or condone them, but I could see how something that massive led to such theories being promulgated. Sandy Hook and Boston bombings? Another story entirely.

the thing is he's even wrong about what he's asserting. Questioning why Bush did absolutely nothing whatsoever to stop 9/11 and sat in a classroom for 10 minutes after being told the nation was under attack is actually pretty normal and not part of a specific 'conspiracy' theory, its a fact...very different from what most 9/11 truthers assert. You won't find many of them who put Bush anywhere inside the 'conspiracy'. So i just find it interesting how totally warped and distorted Mr E's claims are regarding what people who believe in conspiracies think of Bush vs Obama. and while i understand the basis of the point 'why aren't these people criticizing obama but criticized bush when ___ happened' he's using absolutely terrible examples to do it.

 

What's also oddly fascinating is that I think I've been one of the most vocal and harsh critics against Obama on this board, but yet Mr. E passive aggressively somehow makes the opposite claim.

 

I got an insight into this warped form of thinking in a post he made about how Year Zero was an album bashing republicans and not an album about paranoia about america being tyrannical.

Edited May 27, 2013 by John Ehrlichman

  On 5/27/2013 at 7:42 AM, goDel said:

 

My clever point? None. Just a question out of interest. Haven't seen an answer yet, btw. And still hoping for one. Is that clever enough for you?

 

Edit: how clever is the combination "very obvious fact" and " might have right leaning ideas"? That's obviously close to a being a tautology. Everyone might have right leaning ideas. Even the biggest communist might have right leaning ideas. Obvious, no?

 

it doesn't even make sense what you are saying. first you ask me how far right-leaning i am, then you ask isn't it up to you to decide that, to which i agreed. but now you still want me to tell you? can't you see that this makes 0 sense? either you think the judgement is up to you (which kinda makes sense), or you want me to grade myself on some scale of 1-10, or 1-100, what? how do you want me to do this? and couldn't i just say 'fuck off' to that since nobody else has to rate themselves on this scale?

 

and what was clever about my saying that i 'might' have right leaning ideas was that it was sarcasm i was using to drive home the point that it's very fucking obvious that yes indeed i do. i'm just going to look past any other comments you have until you sober up a bit. am i supposed to give you a point for using the word tautology? i don't know. you can't detect plain as day sarcasm but you have a dictionary. congrats.

 

and now awe is trying to say that 9/11 conspiracy theories don't involve bush? this is one of those wtf comments. the whole crux of those theories is that it was all over iraqi oil, which bush/cheney wanted. i think that firmly puts them in the conspiracy. and yeah dude, i think that when reznor took the stage and said that the album was obsolete right after obama won, that basically counts as him admitting it was a republican/right wing thing. which any honest person who looked at the album and the messages in it already knew. him wanting to perform at an mtv gig with a pic of bush behind him while playing the hand that feeds didn't tip you off? why do you go so far out of your way to deny things that are pretty obvious?