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Guess I'll just idle on yahoo japan auctions, june 5th and on...

FWIW, I'd still much rather have had an extra track. Did they really have nothing extra left over after eight years?

@fumi

i never said that you could, i said i hope all who preordered from bleep get at least a sticker or two, and i was simply rejoicing at the fact that the japan-only poster is the back cover image, as i quite like the look of it.

whoops

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:24 PM, fumi said:

FWIW, I'd still much rather have had an extra track. Did they really have nothing extra left over after eight years?

I don't think it's a case of having nothing left - I am sure these Japan-exclusive deals are more the labels asking the artists for a bonus track, etc. than any conscious effort by the artists to provide extra content willingly. They probably didn't consider a bonus track, and instead release it early, to get the Japanese to buy it domestically at the inflated prices CDs are in Japan than buy the import cheaper. What they're not thinking about (or are they?) is if it goes on sale 5+ days early, it will end up online, and affect the US/ROW domestic market sales (unless they plan on releasing the digital preorders early).

I am sure we'll get stickers with our orders - probably the little BOC with the hexagon, or the clear Tomorrow's Harvest logo. Posters are too expensive to include with even the vinyl, unless they folded it in half.

Disk Union offer. Tokyo only.

http://diskunion.net/portal/ct/detail/CM-0043905

Tower Records says that posters are only available for a limited time in store.

先着：ポスター

※ポスターは折り曲げず、筒状にしてお届け致します。

※特典数には限りがございます。限定数満了次第、終了とさせていただきます。

Same thing they always do.

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:30 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:24 PM, fumi said:

FWIW, I'd still much rather have had an extra track. Did they really have nothing extra left over after eight years?

 

I don't think it's a case of having nothing left - I am sure these Japan-exclusive deals are more the labels asking the artists for a bonus track, etc. than any conscious effort by the artists to provide extra content willingly. They probably didn't consider a bonus track, and instead release it early, to get the Japanese to buy it domestically at the inflated prices CDs are in Japan than buy the import cheaper. What they're not thinking about (or are they?) is if it goes on sale 5+ days early, it will end up online, and affect the US/ROW domestic market sales (unless they plan on releasing the digital preorders early).I am sure we'll get stickers with our orders - probably the little BOC with the hexagon, or the clear Tomorrow's Harvest logo. Posters are too expensive to include with even the vinyl, unless they folded it in half.

Good point.

The posters are small though. A2 size.

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:25 PM, impotentwhitecapitalist said:

@fumi

i never said that you could, i said i hope all who preordered from bleep get at least a sticker or two, and i was simply rejoicing at the fact that the japan-only poster is the back cover image, as i quite like the look of it.

Ah, I see. Sorry about that.

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:35 PM, fumi said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:30 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:24 PM, fumi said:

FWIW, I'd still much rather have had an extra track. Did they really have nothing extra left over after eight years?

I don't think it's a case of having nothing left - I am sure these Japan-exclusive deals are more the labels asking the artists for a bonus track, etc. than any conscious effort by the artists to provide extra content willingly. They probably didn't consider a bonus track, and instead release it early, to get the Japanese to buy it domestically at the inflated prices CDs are in Japan than buy the import cheaper. What they're not thinking about (or are they?) is if it goes on sale 5+ days early, it will end up online, and affect the US/ROW domestic market sales (unless they plan on releasing the digital preorders early).I am sure we'll get stickers with our orders - probably the little BOC with the hexagon, or the clear Tomorrow's Harvest logo. Posters are too expensive to include with even the vinyl, unless they folded it in half.

Good point.

 

The posters are small though. A2 size.

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:25 PM, impotentwhitecapitalist said:

@fumi

i never said that you could, i said i hope all who preordered from bleep get at least a sticker or two, and i was simply rejoicing at the fact that the japan-only poster is the back cover image, as i quite like the look of it.

Ah, I see. Sorry about that.

 

Are they? The one in that record store in Japan seemed pretty big - I think the A2 and B2 in the text I had Google translate were just labels, and not indicative of the sizes...

I made a mistake with the sizes. Tower records is B2 and Disk Union is A2 size.

On the Beatink page, it mentions the sizes towards the bottom of the page.

I'd like both but I'm not travelling two hundred miles to Tokyo to buy another copy if the album just for a poster.

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:30 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 5/15/2013 at 9:24 PM, fumi said:

What they're not thinking about (or are they?) is if it goes on sale 5+ days early, it will end up online, and affect the US/ROW domestic market sales (unless they plan on releasing the digital preorders early).

 

That's a good point, Joyrex.

 

Back in 2010, Eno's 'Small Craft on a Milk Sea' was uploaded within thirty minutes of going on sale over here.

 

It would be madness not to release digital pre-orders before the 5th.

record companies still haven't realized that the ww in www stands for worldwide, so staggering country release dates is still adhering to a very antiquated system.

  On 5/15/2013 at 8:48 PM, HateMaker said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:35 PM, fizzkinz said:

 

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 6:39 PM, HateMaker said:

 

 

Isn't the reason they haven't released anything pre twoism to do with the fact that they the band was comprised of other members? Now that BOC is so famous why would they want to pay out royalties to someone they no longer work with.??

I had thought that too.

However, not too long ago someone on Twoism brought up a point like that, and MDG responded with this:

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Any and all early material by BOC was 100% written by Mike Sandison & Marcus Eoin. There's absolutely no question of "legal" regarding the BOC back-catalogue, and any hold-up with remastering or curating early work has been purely down to the time involved

Here is the thread/post for reference: http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=181397&highlight=#181397

Oh thanks for responding fizzkinz. Thats good to know. For some reason I thought that Christ the benbecula artist (not the other Christ) was a member of BOC at one point.

 

By the way is that you in your profile picture?

Edit: and no that's not me in the pic

  On 5/16/2013 at 12:46 AM, fizzkinz said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 8:48 PM, HateMaker said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:35 PM, fizzkinz said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 6:39 PM, HateMaker said:

 

Isn't the reason they haven't released anything pre twoism to do with the fact that they the band was comprised of other members? Now that BOC is so famous why would they want to pay out royalties to someone they no longer work with.??

I had thought that too.

However, not too long ago someone on Twoism brought up a point like that, and MDG responded with this:

  Quote

Any and all early material by BOC was 100% written by Mike Sandison & Marcus Eoin. There's absolutely no question of "legal" regarding the BOC back-catalogue, and any hold-up with remastering or curating early work has been purely down to the time involved

Here is the thread/post for reference: http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=181397&highlight=#181397

Oh thanks for responding fizzkinz. Thats good to know. For some reason I thought that Christ the benbecula artist (not the other Christ) was a member of BOC at one point.

 

By the way is that you in your profile picture?

He was, and the original Twoism credited him as Chris H, but I think I read he only actually helped write one song ( Melissa Juice if I recall). However, I am still unsure if that is the case with earlier stuff, particularly for really old stuff when they were said to have up to six members. Regardless of what I think, or what has been written, at least according to MDG, pre-Twoism is still just written by mike and Marcus. So take that however you choose, depending on how much you see MDG's words as fact or semi-official rumors

 

Edit: and no that's not me in the pic

 

My non-expert guess is that MDG is 100% wrong in his comment and the non-release of that material is specifically due to legal issues.

A lot of Chris H's music is similar to BoC in style. I imagine he had a fair bit of involvement in the production of early material.... Also MDG's comment that "any hold-up with remastering or curating early work has been purely down to the time involved" simply doesn't make sense. Theres a whole damn team of moneygrubbing warp execs that would be all over this opportunity and would definitely spend the time. Not to mention BoC seems to have lots of time on their hands, what with them only coming out with an avg 1.5 albums per decade.

Source: speaking out of my ass.. but this is how I see it! =)

  On 5/15/2013 at 6:39 PM, HateMaker said:

 

 

 

By the way, this might have been discussed but doesn't anyone else see the conflict in releasing the older material box set? Isn't the reason they haven't released anything pre twoism to do with the fact that they the band was comprised of other members? Now that BOC is so famous why would they want to pay out royalties to someone they no longer work with.?? Just a thought but could be part of the reason that music may not get an official release.

 

No conflict to see because there are no pre-twoism releases that exist beside the old tunes tapes. The reason they haven't released such so called releases, is because they aren't real. Not sure of the exact release of BOC Maxima, though it was also an early one that I believe was after Twoism.

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:36 PM, oscillik said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:30 PM, jhonny said:

why does Japan always get a bonus? eh?

because it costs more for the Japanese to buy domestically, rather than importing. So as an incentive to buy domestically, there is generally a bonus track.

 

or goodies in this case.

 

Japanese bonuses are in fact a load of horse shit in the end. Artists and record companies need to stop giving into this. When they do, Japanese CD prices will balance themselves out, because they'll have to if they want to keep selling any at all. Such a crap sales tactic that major labels have forced indie labels into following. Indies would be better off making Japan import. It's like adding cheap action figure toy to movie disc release. Lame.

...and adding to that I'm sure Boards have figured out the same regarding Japanese bonuses and decided not to do them. Good on them!

  On 5/16/2013 at 2:50 AM, SPD² said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 6:39 PM, HateMaker said:

 

 

 

By the way, this might have been discussed but doesn't anyone else see the conflict in releasing the older material box set? Isn't the reason they haven't released anything pre twoism to do with the fact that they the band was comprised of other members? Now that BOC is so famous why would they want to pay out royalties to someone they no longer work with.?? Just a thought but could be part of the reason that music may not get an official release.

 

 

No conflict to see because there are no pre-twoism releases that exist beside the old tunes tapes. The reason they haven't released such so called releases, is because they aren't real. Not sure of the exact release of BOC Maxima, though it was also an early one that I believe was after Twoism.

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:36 PM, oscillik said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:30 PM, jhonny said:

why does Japan always get a bonus? eh?

because it costs more for the Japanese to buy domestically, rather than importing. So as an incentive to buy domestically, there is generally a bonus track.

 

or goodies in this case.

 

 

Japanese bonuses are in fact a load of horse shit in the end. Artists and record companies need to stop giving into this. When they do, Japanese CD prices will balance themselves out, because they'll have to if they want to keep selling any at all. Such a crap sales tactic that major labels have forced indie labels into following. Indies would be better off making Japan import. It's like adding cheap action figure toy to movie disc release. Lame.

 

Oh I don't see it that way though. I actually look forward to those extra tracks, it's a nice bonus when you eventually get to hear them. I used to live in Japan, for several years until I was transferred back home. Everything over there is packed with extras and freebees like for example if you go in to Lawson or Family Mart to pick up a bottle of green tea or something often there will be a little trinket or toy attached to the cap. I remember collecting bottle caps from Qoo drinks because they had different faces on the inside for collectors. I think it's part of the culture and basically expected that there will be some little extra bit tacked on to practically anything whether its a record, or pair of limited edition chopsticks with a lunch box.

It's nice.

In this case though I do hope that they toss a few stickers or something in to the Warp release as well I'd be delighted to stick a Tommorow's Harvest seal on my car.

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:19 PM, impotentwhitecapitalist said:

 

 

 

I love this artwork. It reminds me of the Criterion DVD box art for "The Man Who Fell to Earth", which I picked up a few weeks ago for a really good deal at some sketch used DVD store that also sells random assortments of wire in yellowing old ziploc bags.

Yeah I know. I've been to a Japanese market and have seen that stuff. I guess I see it a little differently than you - like sort of a consumer nightmare type of way. Gimmicky cheap bullshit that comes w/ anything and everything is my POV. As if I don't have enough of this kind of thing here in the US, Japan is even more intricate w/ the whole idea. Collector frenzies end up leading to a substanceless life for some people. Suppose it's a matter susceptibility.

However, I love my Macquarie Ridge. So we're all a bunch of human paradoxes. I can live w/ that.

They started making tapes around 1982 or '83, when they were still children. At their Hexagon Sun studio, there's an archive of 20 years of music. "We're a bit anal about this," admits Eoin, "and I guess one year we might hunt through it all and release some of it."

http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/wild-mercury-sound/boards-of-canada-interviewed-were-too-busy-to-give-a-shit

  On 5/16/2013 at 1:21 AM, StephenG said:

 

  On 5/16/2013 at 12:46 AM, fizzkinz said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 8:48 PM, HateMaker said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 7:35 PM, fizzkinz said:

 

  On 5/15/2013 at 6:39 PM, HateMaker said:

 

Isn't the reason they haven't released anything pre twoism to do with the fact that they the band was comprised of other members? Now that BOC is so famous why would they want to pay out royalties to someone they no longer work with.??

I had thought that too.

However, not too long ago someone on Twoism brought up a point like that, and MDG responded with this:

  Quote

Any and all early material by BOC was 100% written by Mike Sandison & Marcus Eoin. There's absolutely no question of "legal" regarding the BOC back-catalogue, and any hold-up with remastering or curating early work has been purely down to the time involved

Here is the thread/post for reference: http://www.twoism.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=181397&highlight=#181397

Oh thanks for responding fizzkinz. Thats good to know. For some reason I thought that Christ the benbecula artist (not the other Christ) was a member of BOC at one point.

 

By the way is that you in your profile picture?

He was, and the original Twoism credited him as Chris H, but I think I read he only actually helped write one song ( Melissa Juice if I recall). However, I am still unsure if that is the case with earlier stuff, particularly for really old stuff when they were said to have up to six members. Regardless of what I think, or what has been written, at least according to MDG, pre-Twoism is still just written by mike and Marcus. So take that however you choose, depending on how much you see MDG's words as fact or semi-official rumors

 

Edit: and no that's not me in the pic

 

 

My non-expert guess is that MDG is 100% wrong in his comment and the non-release of that material is specifically due to legal issues.

 

A lot of Chris H's music is similar to BoC in style. I imagine he had a fair bit of involvement in the production of early material.... Also MDG's comment that "any hold-up with remastering or curating early work has been purely down to the time involved" simply doesn't make sense. Theres a whole damn team of moneygrubbing warp execs that would be all over this opportunity and would definitely spend the time. Not to mention BoC seems to have lots of time on their hands, what with them only coming out with an avg 1.5 albums per decade.

 

Source: speaking out of my ass.. but this is how I see it! =)

 

Sorry to say, but you really are speaking out of your ass - Chris H's involvement was with Twoism, and one track, and that's it. Prior to that, it there were most likely others (the Old Tunes tracks mention things like "Jimbo Rehearsing", etc.), but Mike and Marcus are the principal members of Boards of Canada, and always have been. Any other artist involvement on any tracks (such as a bass player, etc.) wouldn't warrant them getting royalty payment or needing clearance if it was done in a work for hire capacity. Plus, you're assuming their early work was even under the Boards of Canada name...

  On 5/16/2013 at 3:24 AM, SPD² said:

...and adding to that I'm sure Boards have figured out the same regarding Japanese bonuses and decided not to do them. Good on them!

I doubt (like I mentioned before) Mike and Marcus have little to do with any decision of bonus tracks, beyond providing one when the label requests it.

  On 5/16/2013 at 2:50 AM, SPD² said:

No conflict to see because there are no pre-twoism releases that exist beside the old tunes tapes. The reason they haven't released such so called releases, is because they aren't real. Not sure of the exact release of BOC Maxima, though it was also an early one that I believe was after Twoism.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume the pre-Twoism releases aren't real - I thought that myself for a long time, but apparently my assumption was incorrect. Now, do they exist in the formats and quantities original mentioned on the old EHX pages? Perhaps not...

BoC Maxima was after Twoism, shopped around to labels as a demo tape of sorts. It's what started it all, you might say...

i'm quivering with anticipation for this. i am beside myself with joy

  On 5/16/2013 at 4:37 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 5/16/2013 at 2:50 AM, SPD² said:

No conflict to see because there are no pre-twoism releases that exist beside the old tunes tapes. The reason they haven't released such so called releases, is because they aren't real. Not sure of the exact release of BOC Maxima, though it was also an early one that I believe was after Twoism.

 

I wouldn't be so quick to assume the pre-Twoism releases aren't real - I thought that myself for a long time, but apparently my assumption was incorrect. Now, do they exist in the formats and quantities original mentioned on the old EHX pages? Perhaps not...

 

BoC Maxima was after Twoism, shopped around to labels as a demo tape of sorts. It's what started it all, you might say...

 

I go by the rule of thumb that if it's real it surfaces. If it doesn't surface, it's not a release. Have any of those tracks ever shown up anywhere and been confirmed as real? I always thought they weren't real. None of the it ever added up. The pictures of the artwork were all square when they were supposed to be tapes. I think the idea of these just stuck because people wanted to believe in them.

  On 5/16/2013 at 4:33 PM, Joyrex said:

 

 

  On 5/16/2013 at 3:24 AM, SPD² said:

...and adding to that I'm sure Boards have figured out the same regarding Japanese bonuses and decided not to do them. Good on them!

I doubt (like I mentioned before) Mike and Marcus have little to do with any decision of bonus tracks, beyond providing one when the label requests it.

 

I just mean they elected not to participate by saying 'no' to providing an extra track perhaps, and thus not thwarting a fan by making her or him pay $38 for one song.