Tomorrow's Harvest on sale now on iTunes Japan

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:52 PM, dylanmcknd said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:50 PM, Enter a new display name said:

It is probably the fifth big release by Warp I can think of that disappoints everybody here, yet nobody seems to have learned their lesson. Since when do you really wait for the official release while the leaked files are out in the wild? I blame your impatience for pre-ordering from the first website that accepts pre-orders for Tomorrow's Harvest. It might be too bad for Warp, but it does not affect your experience of the album in any significant way. And how is Warp supposed to estimate the arrival date of the shipments around the world? Everybody seems pissed if their precious copies don't stand at their doorstep by Monday.

I'm positive Warp knew exactly when retail and digital copies would hit Japan. And people aren't expecting actual physical copies atm, just the digital files.

 

You knew from the start the release date was June 10-11th. Good for you if you have already paid your copy. It is now up to you to decide if you will get the files illegitimately considering the artists and the label received their deserved money from you.

Edited June 5, 2013 by Enter a new display name

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:55 PM, Enter a new display name said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:52 PM, dylanmcknd said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:50 PM, Enter a new display name said:

It is probably the fifth big release by Warp I can think of that disappoints everybody here, yet nobody seems to have learned their lesson. Since when do you really wait for the official release while the leaked files are out in the wild? I blame your impatience for pre-ordering from the first website that accepts pre-orders for Tomorrow's Harvest. It might be too bad for Warp, but it does not affect your experience of the album in any significant way. And how is Warp supposed to estimate the arrival date of the shipments around the world? Everybody seems pissed if their precious copies don't stand at their doorstep by Monday.

I'm positive Warp knew exactly when retail and digital copies would hit Japan. And people aren't expecting actual physical copies atm, just the digital files.

 

You knew from the start the release date was June 10-11th. Good for you if you have already paid your copy. It is now up to you to decide if you will get the files illegitimately considering the artists and the label received their deserved money.

 

Yeah, you're right, I'm actually not too upset about waiting until June 10th, it was just them not releasing the files after the stream and the general way that they released it that pissed me off.

I'm trying not to listen to the album before the 10th though, for more psychological reasons than practical reasons.

Edited June 5, 2013 by dylanmcknd

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:59 PM, dylanmcknd said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:55 PM, Enter a new display name said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:52 PM, dylanmcknd said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:50 PM, Enter a new display name said:

It is probably the fifth big release by Warp I can think of that disappoints everybody here, yet nobody seems to have learned their lesson. Since when do you really wait for the official release while the leaked files are out in the wild? I blame your impatience for pre-ordering from the first website that accepts pre-orders for Tomorrow's Harvest. It might be too bad for Warp, but it does not affect your experience of the album in any significant way. And how is Warp supposed to estimate the arrival date of the shipments around the world? Everybody seems pissed if their precious copies don't stand at their doorstep by Monday.

 

I'm positive Warp knew exactly when retail and digital copies would hit Japan. And people aren't expecting actual physical copies atm, just the digital files.

You knew from the start the release date was June 10-11th. Good for you if you have already paid your copy. It is now up to you to decide if you will get the files illegitimately considering the artists and the label received their deserved money.

Yeah, you're right, I'm actually not too upset about waiting until June 10th, it was just them not releasing the files after the stream and the general way that they released it that pissed me off.

I'm trying not to listen to the album before the 10th though, for more psychological reasons than practical reasons.

Yeah I'm staying away from any leaks. I want to do this shit legally, support the band and label. I just feel a bit annoyed by the fact that pirates are hearing the album in full and repeat before us who pre-ordered. I have no problem waiting to the 10th, but still.

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:55 PM, Enter a new display name said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:52 PM, dylanmcknd said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 7:50 PM, Enter a new display name said:

It is probably the fifth big release by Warp I can think of that disappoints everybody here, yet nobody seems to have learned their lesson. Since when do you really wait for the official release while the leaked files are out in the wild? I blame your impatience for pre-ordering from the first website that accepts pre-orders for Tomorrow's Harvest. It might be too bad for Warp, but it does not affect your experience of the album in any significant way. And how is Warp supposed to estimate the arrival date of the shipments around the world? Everybody seems pissed if their precious copies don't stand at their doorstep by Monday.

I'm positive Warp knew exactly when retail and digital copies would hit Japan. And people aren't expecting actual physical copies atm, just the digital files.

 

You knew from the start the release date was June 10-11th. Good for you if you have already paid your copy. It is now up to you to decide if you will get the files illegitimately considering the artists and the label received their deserved money from you.

 

Yeah, but the whole point of preordering when they announced you could was to support the label (and by extension, the artist) - surely that counts for something, and you can see how finding out iTunes Japan gets it digitally is an affront to the loyalty expressed by customers of Bleep/WARP by not at least matching date and day with the digital files so those who chose to preorder and support the label (I believe preorders at other outlets only recently opened up, well after Bleep did, and none of them were offering a digital version as well with the purchase) got something as a sign of gratitude?

 

I'm not seeing what the incentive to preorder from Bleep is if it means in most cases I could get it earlier elsewhere (and technically violate regional restrictions on purchasing it) if that's what's important to me (not personally, but most people feel that way I would imagine)?

 

 

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DM, Jun 05 18:12 (BST):

 

Hi Alzado,

 

We do totally agree and we will get you the release as soon as we can. I am very sorry that this is the case.

 

Best wishes

Bleep Support

 

 

LOL Alzado, Jun 05 16:16 (BST):

 

Thanks for your response. It just kind of sucks that the Japanese iTunes files for Tomorrow's Harvest are all over the illegal download sites now and I will have had to wait another week to listen to It. I preordered from bleep on the day it was announced out of a desire to support BOC and Warp as directly as possible.

 

It seems like once the pirates are passing it around, it would be decent to release digital files to us preorder folks. It's bad enough that all these people are getting it for free. But I've been waiting for this album for seven years and they're enjoying it right now.

 

There are certainly more pressing issues in the world. But it seems like a Warped way to handle this release.

 

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DM, Jun 05 09:18 (BST):

 

Hi Alzado,

 

I'm very sorry that you feel like this we try to give the best service that we can and make the digital available as early as we can to everyone, but we have to stick to international release dates for this release.

 

We try to offer as much value as we can to preorder customers by providing one track early and will deliver the album to everyones accounts at 00:00 on the day of release.

 

If you still wish to cancel this order please let us know and we will do so straight away.

 

Best wishes

Bleep Support

 

 

LOL Alzado Jun 04 18:40 (BST):

 

Hello,

 

I was wondering if I can cancel my pre-order for Tomorrow's Harvest? I just saw that the album went on sale on iTunes Japan. I'm wondering what the point of my preorder was other than to give bleep a cash advance? I'm very disappointed with the way this release is being handled.

 

Thanks.

 

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LOL

 

Bonus points for putting in "But it seems like a Warped way to handle this release."

 

Respect!

flol

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:24 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 2:40 PM, azatoth said:

I am rather miffed that there will not be any digital downloads with the vinyl order, only a shitty 320kbps version of it, that I will be officially able to download several days after it being available for free all over the internet. With this order there has been absolutely no incentive to pre-order it from Bleep. It would have been cheaper and I would have gotten it quicker if I had just walked into the local record store on Friday. Now I will probably have it in my hands a week from now or maybe later.Not pleased at all.

"shitty" 320kbps? I'd love to have your ears, then. There is nothing (to my ears at least) shitty about 320kbps.

 

The MP3s might be transparent, but they are "shitty" when there are lossless formats out there. Having paid for a pre-order I expect to get a perfect digital copy of the music regardless. 24-bit WAVs for all the nulls. They had the right idea with the Autechre releases, I don't see a reason why it would be different with BoC.

 

I will definitely re-consider pre-ordering anything from Bleep in the future.

My Japanese copy is currently sat on a plane at Hong Kong Airport. I know this, because the tracking reference allows me to remain informed as to the status of my order. It will probably be here by the weekend.

Meanwhile, over at bleep towers...

 

I ordered my copies the evening of the live transmission, as I thought the digital would be released the following day. It didn't happen, and to be honest i'm not that fussed as its only a few days to go. However if I'd known I'd recieved no digital files then I'd have just hung onto my money another week.

 

I can understand why those of you who went into meltdown to pre-order would feel upset, I mean what's the fucking point? I don't understand all this hype for a pre-order anyway, its total bullshit. The only reason to of gone psycho on the paypal button would to recieve some ltd addition version. As soon as I spied no Ltd edition I thought whats the fucking point (I wrote that earlier sorry). Answer? There is no point.

  On 6/5/2013 at 8:19 PM, LOL Alzado said:

DM, Jun 05 18:12 (BST):

 

Hi Alzado,

 

We do totally agree and we will get you the release as soon as we can. I am very sorry that this is the case.

 

Best wishes

Bleep Support

 

 

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DM, Jun 05 09:18 (BST):

 

Hi Alzado,

 

I'm very sorry that you feel like this we try to give the best service that we can and make the digital available as early as we can to everyone, but we have to stick to international release dates for this release.

 

Based on multiple responses I've seen like this, it really does sound like their hands are tied in some way.

 

We all expect the files to be released early because other recent Warp releases have set that precedent. But we also know that album releases, no matter the label, are always scattered in some way. For instance, in the UK releases are on Mondays and in the US they are on Tuesday. That's just the way of the world.

 

I agree it's a bit unjust for those that pre-ordered to have to sit around anxiously debating whether to listen to the leaks in the meantime or not, but really that's typically the case with all other releases on other labels. We just got lucky with some recent Warp ones that they gave them to us early.

 

I'm as anxious as the next guy which is why I keep check in here (though I did not pre-order), but if I have to wait until June 11, so be it.

Edited June 5, 2013 by sidewinder

  On 6/5/2013 at 8:53 PM, azatoth said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:24 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 2:40 PM, azatoth said:

I am rather miffed that there will not be any digital downloads with the vinyl order, only a shitty 320kbps version of it, that I will be officially able to download several days after it being available for free all over the internet. With this order there has been absolutely no incentive to pre-order it from Bleep. It would have been cheaper and I would have gotten it quicker if I had just walked into the local record store on Friday. Now I will probably have it in my hands a week from now or maybe later.Not pleased at all.

"shitty" 320kbps? I'd love to have your ears, then. There is nothing (to my ears at least) shitty about 320kbps.

 

The MP3s might be transparent, but they are "shitty" when there are lossless formats out there. Having paid for a pre-order I expect to get a perfect digital copy of the music regardless. 24-bit WAVs for all the nulls. They had the right idea with the Autechre releases, I don't see a reason why it would be different with BoC.

 

I will definitely re-consider pre-ordering anything from Bleep in the future.

 

 

autechre were probably more hands on to make sure their baby rolled out right.

At this point half the tracks are on youtube already - LOL, so if you want you can listen without being unethical etc. By the time Bleep gets around to sending these things out some of us will have moved on, vinyl will be nice too look at but I've already heard the record several times in varying qualities from bad to less bad.

 

I think they (bleep) are sick of me by now I've sent them a few messages as others have on here. They just keep replying with the same phrase (we have to abide by the territorial release date)... I can visualize that poor guy at bleep everytime he gets a message coming in he's probably ready to off himself by now.

 

I'm never doing this again. For the next big release like AFX or something I'm going to steer clear of teh internetz, and just walk down to the record store to buy an original copy, bleep can keep the stickers, besides I already have dozen of band stickers that I'll never stick on anything.

 

**But it has been entertaining to be on WATMM forum since the original RSD thing came out.

Edited June 5, 2013 by HateMaker

  On 6/5/2013 at 9:58 PM, delet... said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 8:53 PM, azatoth said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:24 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 2:40 PM, azatoth said:

I am rather miffed that there will not be any digital downloads with the vinyl order, only a shitty 320kbps version of it, that I will be officially able to download several days after it being available for free all over the internet. With this order there has been absolutely no incentive to pre-order it from Bleep. It would have been cheaper and I would have gotten it quicker if I had just walked into the local record store on Friday. Now I will probably have it in my hands a week from now or maybe later.Not pleased at all.

"shitty" 320kbps? I'd love to have your ears, then. There is nothing (to my ears at least) shitty about 320kbps.

 

The MP3s might be transparent, but they are "shitty" when there are lossless formats out there. Having paid for a pre-order I expect to get a perfect digital copy of the music regardless. 24-bit WAVs for all the nulls. They had the right idea with the Autechre releases, I don't see a reason why it would be different with BoC.

 

I will definitely re-consider pre-ordering anything from Bleep in the future.

 

 

autechre were probably more hands on to make sure their baby rolled out right.

 

That, or Bleep deciding it wasn't worth the effort financially this go around (how could they with what's arguably the biggest electronic music release this year so far) and not anything to do with the band.

  On 6/5/2013 at 10:26 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 9:58 PM, delet... said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 8:53 PM, azatoth said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 5:24 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 2:40 PM, azatoth said:

I am rather miffed that there will not be any digital downloads with the vinyl order, only a shitty 320kbps version of it, that I will be officially able to download several days after it being available for free all over the internet. With this order there has been absolutely no incentive to pre-order it from Bleep. It would have been cheaper and I would have gotten it quicker if I had just walked into the local record store on Friday. Now I will probably have it in my hands a week from now or maybe later.Not pleased at all.

"shitty" 320kbps? I'd love to have your ears, then. There is nothing (to my ears at least) shitty about 320kbps.

 

The MP3s might be transparent, but they are "shitty" when there are lossless formats out there. Having paid for a pre-order I expect to get a perfect digital copy of the music regardless. 24-bit WAVs for all the nulls. They had the right idea with the Autechre releases, I don't see a reason why it would be different with BoC.

 

I will definitely re-consider pre-ordering anything from Bleep in the future.

 

 

autechre were probably more hands on to make sure their baby rolled out right.

 

That, or Bleep deciding it wasn't worth the effort financially this go around (how could they with what's arguably the biggest electronic music release this year so far) and not anything to do with the band.

 

 

i don't get how it isn't financially viable. very few people download flac. i don't think it would be a huge extra expense and it would make some dedicated customers very happy.

Bleep screwed this up, it doesn't make any sense for those who pre-ordered to bit sitting at the back of the queue. They're pretty much encouraging people to dl illegally by pissing them off. They surely must have known the response they'd get wouldn't be good. Really strange from a business point of view. Someone has dropped the ball. And as far as financially viable goes, i reckon they'll have to hire some admin temps to deal with the volume of complaints about this balls up, so keep emailing them until you get a response which is genuinely human

I also responded to Bleep again with a disconcerting message. I don't care what format it is, the Bleep site will take the piss the day it is released - not because of the reason they justify they can't serve lossless vs mp3 file sizes (which is serious IT LOL), but because their whole approach is flawed.

 

Also for the whole format debate, this really has nothing to do with what you can and can't hear, and how big your hard drive is. It's a simple matter of purchasing a product that would otherwise offer your choice of format, which has been removed from this equation due to Bleep.

 

If you pre-ordered and feel the same, send support @ bleep . com a message. As the consumer, it's the least you can do.

Not quite sure what the fuss is about this.

 

- Want high quality FLACs? Buy and rip the CD, or buy the vinyl/mp3 and torrent the FLACs.

 

- Want them when the Japanese get it? Move to Japan

 

- Want them early a la Autechre? Don't feel so entitled... release dates are release dates. This album 'leaked' a couple of days early, it's no great issue.

Several points we can draw from recent discussion in this thread;

 

1) The whole international release date/schedule thing is incompatible with modern times.

 

2) Pirates get the album before most other people for free because of previously mentioned antiquated international release date bollox.

 

3) Time slows down for BoC fans waiting for a new release, making a few days feel like the 8 years since the last release!

 

4) We all need to relax more, chill and just enjoy life until June 10th no matter how far off it seems ;-) I mean for fuck sake people, people are dying out there!!

 

5) Split Your Infinities into smaller, more manageable chunks for a more straightforward, stress free existence ;-)

Flacs are already floating around on torrent sites still bleep doesn't move an inch.

Yeah, or you could do what everyone else is doing at the moment, download it from a blogsite or torrent it instead of buying a legit digital copy off bleep.

6) We all want everything yesterday. Our priorities are all over the place :-(

  On 6/5/2013 at 11:03 PM, Dogboy73 said:

Several points we can draw from recent discussion in this thread;

 

1) The whole international release date/schedule thing is incompatible with modern times.

 

2) Pirates get the album before most other people for free because of previously mentioned antiquated international release date bollox.

 

3) Time slows down for BoC fans waiting for a new release, making a few days feel like the 8 years since the last release!

 

4) We all need to relax more, chill and just enjoy life until June 10th no matter how far off it seems ;-) I mean for fuck sake people, people are dying out there!!

 

5) Split Your Infinities into smaller, more manageable chunks for a more straightforward, stress free existence ;-)

All true, dawg.

Still, shouting at bleep is strangely therapeutic.

  On 6/5/2013 at 11:03 PM, Dogboy73 said:

1) The whole international release date/schedule thing is incompatible with modern sick times.

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 11:13 PM, Schlitze said:

 

  On 6/5/2013 at 11:03 PM, Dogboy73 said:

Several points we can draw from recent discussion in this thread;

1) The whole international release date/schedule thing is incompatible with modern times.

2) Pirates get the album before most other people for free because of previously mentioned antiquated international release date bollox.

3) Time slows down for BoC fans waiting for a new release, making a few days feel like the 8 years since the last release!

4) We all need to relax more, chill and just enjoy life until June 10th no matter how far off it seems ;-) I mean for fuck sake people, people are dying out there!!

5) Split Your Infinities into smaller, more manageable chunks for a more straightforward, stress free existence ;-)

 

All true, dawg.

Still, shouting at bleep is strangely therapeutic.

7) Shouting at Bleep might feel like therapy but it isn't ;-)