Russell Brand destroys MSNBC host

jez from peep show has replied

http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/10/russell-choosing-vote-most-british-kind-revolution-there

not sure i agree with that any more than i agree with brand

  On 11/2/2013 at 12:43 AM, zaphod said:

not sure i agree with that any more than i agree with brand

it's all a bit

oh yeah, that. there was a period where every time i turned on mtv an episode of that show was playing. i grew to hate it.

  On 11/2/2013 at 12:43 AM, zaphod said:

not sure i agree with that any more than i agree with brand

Quick note: there's a fundamental difference between political disagreement and disagreeing about what is actually real.

The Russell piece was Russell talking from his arse. Or, in other words, it made no sense because it lost connection with any sense of reality regardless of ones political views. Democracy and Russells imaginary 'political' party of non-voting revolutionists imply a contradicting reality which could exist in the real world about as long as a couple of opposed quantum particles meeting each other after a big bang in the LHC.

Russell doesn't make sense. Which is fundamentally different to disagreeing politically. Two people having opposite political views could still agree on the current state of reality. It's just that they have a different set of morals/norms which lead them to different ways to deal with the same reality. Russell invents some imaginary reality, which, to a certain extent, is a consequence of his political indifference.

Imo.

Note to USians: there's quite a few right winged Russells in todays politics in the US. Ironically, the governmental indifference of the T party is quite similar to the political indifference of Russell.

Read an extra set of IMO's at this point, svp.

who remembers the film Animal House where a long haired pot smokin' hippie has a discussion with his students?

  On 11/2/2013 at 2:26 AM, goDel said:

 

  On 11/2/2013 at 12:43 AM, zaphod said:

not sure i agree with that any more than i agree with brand

Quick note: there's a fundamental difference between political disagreement and disagreeing about what is actually real.

 

The Russell piece was Russell talking from his arse. Or, in other words, it made no sense because it lost connection with any sense of reality regardless of ones political views. Democracy and Russells imaginary 'political' party of non-voting revolutionists imply a contradicting reality which could exist in the real world about as long as a couple of opposed quantum particles meeting each other after a big bang in the LHC.

Russell doesn't make sense. Which is fundamentally different to disagreeing politically. Two people having opposite political views could still agree on the current state of reality. It's just that they have a different set of morals/norms which lead them to different ways to deal with the same reality. Russell invents some imaginary reality, which, to a certain extent, is a consequence of his political indifference.

 

Imo.

 

Note to USians: there's quite a few right winged Russells in todays politics in the US. Ironically, the governmental indifference of the T party is quite similar to the political indifference of Russell.

 

Read an extra set of IMO's at this point, svp.

 

not sure i like your tone sir. btw, i live in the us, in washington dc, have worked on capital hill, and am well aware of what's going on in our country.

  On 11/2/2013 at 4:23 AM, zaphod said:

 

  On 11/2/2013 at 2:26 AM, goDel said:

 

  On 11/2/2013 at 12:43 AM, zaphod said:

not sure i agree with that any more than i agree with brand

Quick note: there's a fundamental difference between political disagreement and disagreeing about what is actually real.

 

The Russell piece was Russell talking from his arse. Or, in other words, it made no sense because it lost connection with any sense of reality regardless of ones political views. Democracy and Russells imaginary 'political' party of non-voting revolutionists imply a contradicting reality which could exist in the real world about as long as a couple of opposed quantum particles meeting each other after a big bang in the LHC.

Russell doesn't make sense. Which is fundamentally different to disagreeing politically. Two people having opposite political views could still agree on the current state of reality. It's just that they have a different set of morals/norms which lead them to different ways to deal with the same reality. Russell invents some imaginary reality, which, to a certain extent, is a consequence of his political indifference.

 

Imo.

 

Note to USians: there's quite a few right winged Russells in todays politics in the US. Ironically, the governmental indifference of the T party is quite similar to the political indifference of Russell.

 

Read an extra set of IMO's at this point, svp.

 

 

not sure i like your tone sir. btw, i live in the us, in washington dc, have worked on capital hill, and am well aware of what's going on in our country.

 

Yeah Godel, I gotta say, man...I don't see Brand's comments or views as being out of touch with reality.

Are his statements vague and optimistic? Perhaps. But he's certainly addressing the reality that I know.

HOW DARE A CELEBRITY VOICE THEIR OPINIONS WHEN INVITED ONTO A SHOW BY PRODUCERS AND NOT BE FULLY INFORMED OF A FULL 45 POINT PLATFORM WITH LINKS TO MULTIPLE SOCIOLOGICAL THESES

Ok, i'll retract my words on russelss reality, restate i actually love the man who is very much able to make some good points, but still think his ideas on politics, not reality in general, are mostly pointless. As far as i'm concerned.

Edit: also zaphod, i understand the tone was horrid. I wasn't trying to explain us politics to people who are from the us (as i mentioned, not coincidentally....btw). I thought it was an interesting parallel. That's all. It's the indifference, which russell admits, which invalidates his opinion on politics, imo. Him being a celeb is irrelevant and merely some stupid talkingpoint from those mental young turks.

  On 11/2/2013 at 8:12 AM, goDel said:

Ok, i'll retract my words on russelss reality, restate i actually love the man who is very much able to make some good points, but still think his ideas on politics, not reality in general, are mostly pointless. As far as i'm concerned.

 

Edit: also zaphod, i understand the tone was horrid. I wasn't trying to explain us politics to people who are from the us (as i mentioned, not coincidentally....btw). I thought it was an interesting parallel. That's all. It's the indifference, which russell admits, which invalidates his opinion on politics, imo. Him being a celeb is irrelevant and merely some stupid talkingpoint from those mental young turks.

As vague as Russell Brand is being, he's hit on the answer. Now, the problem of course is implementation. How do you change things?

Historically speaking, awareness is very effective. Say what you want about the 60's being a failure but many of the luxuries that we now take for granted came about from the naive efforts of the 60's. So I do believe in the power of handing out pamphlets and chanting slogans and all of the supposed silliness of the 60's.

iMO of course

  On 11/2/2013 at 12:43 AM, zaphod said:

not sure i agree with that any more than i agree with brand

At least the other fellow advocates participating in the process. Brand seems to be saying just do fuck all and everything we will be irie.

http://www.trueactivist.com/gab_gallery/inspirational-russell-brand-compilation-awakened-man/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_bKQXmvdr8o

  On 11/2/2013 at 12:46 AM, bitroast said:

 

it's all a bit

 

I remember that show. Does that make me old?

  On 11/2/2013 at 6:51 PM, SR4 said:

Most valid post this thread

All that video needed was an angelic choir.

I like Brand. I think he's saying some of the right things and his heart's in the right place. It's good to have a high-profile figure saying these things through a shitty media.

But that video particularly makes him look like a Messiah.

Actually, who am I to say? Maybe that's a good thing for us. Carry on.

We should take any ally we can

You're gonna need someone on your side

(And here I am

And here I am

Well you don't need to look so pleased)

I agree that we need anyone we can telling us to be true to ourselves and to be one with nature and all that. But the voting thing is a compete facepalm. I agree strongly with the following David Foster Wallace quote:

"If you are bored and disgusted by politics and don't bother to vote, you are in effect voting for the entrenched Establishments of the two major parties, who please rest assured are not dumb, and who are keenly aware that it is in their interests to keep you disgusted and bored and cynical and to give you every possible reason to stay at home doing one-hitters and watching MTV on primary day. By all means stay home if you want, but don't bullshit yourself that you're not voting. In reality, there is no such thing as not voting: you either vote by voting, or you vote by staying home and tacitly doubling the value of some Diehard's vote."

  On 11/2/2013 at 6:51 PM, SR4 said:

MAGIC MIRROR

  On 11/24/2013 at 12:22 PM, Gary C said:

All that video needed was an angelic choir.

 

I like Brand. I think he's saying some of the right things and his heart's in the right place. It's good to have a high-profile figure saying these things through a shitty media.

 

But that video particularly makes him look like a Messiah.

 

Actually, who am I to say? Maybe that's a good thing for us. Carry on.

Messiahs are only bad when they are false and their ideas are distorted and used for repression. When a messiah can give their message directly. When distortion and manipulation are not possible then the message can stay honest and positive.

Fox news destroys Russell:

shame they didn`t have the man himself.

I wonder how much better off America would be if pundits didn't convince people that Socialism was this horrible thing "that's killed hundreds of thousands of people."

The guy who said that must know how misleading that is. It's like saying moustaches kill millions of Jews.

Anyway, I find it tragic that people in this country equate Capitalism with freedom and patriotism and Socialism is this dark force that's trying to infiltrate our great nation.

I'm also irked at the (rather ubiquitous) notion that when you're young you have all these lofty ideals about how the world should be but then you grow up and embrace reality.

My father and some older people I know try to lay that shit on me sometimes. "You'll see when you get older." Like when you grow up then the only thing you'll care about is not having your paycheck gauged by Uncle Sam. The skies are scorched here in the United States of Koch, Inc where thanks to unfettered capitalism unions are abolished and the minimum wage is 40cents (to keep America competitive!) and damn lazy socialists feel too entitled to get a job but hey at least President Gingrich kept my taxes down.

/schizophrenic rambling

  On 11/27/2013 at 1:02 AM, zemudene said:

Fox news destroys Russell:

 

shame they didn`t have the man himself.

This is disgusting. These people are disgusting. They represent the past. I couldn't even finish it. It is dribble. They are designed for thought control. Their points are not even valid nor do they even acknowledge what Brand is saying. They dodge the important issues by making personal attacks. It is smoke and mirrors. They are part of a system that is under attack, because people can freely access information. Because people like Brand can be heard in living rooms all across the globe in seconds.These people exist to make the lives of others worse. They are human garbage. He would have put them all on their knees and they would have licked the verbal precum dripping from his intellectual phallus.

In my opinion all economic systems are viable. It is just that they all get muddled with greed and corruption. Capitalism works well until the corporations control the government. It is interesting how quickly they are able to do it.

/end rant cheers

I agree*

*except for the part about all economic systems being viable. I don't think laissez-faire capitalism could ever, ever work. Imagine if we lifted all regulations (e.g. minimum wage, safety standards, environmental standards, etc) and just let things fall where they fall? What are the chances that the result wouldn't be a total nightmare?