Is TH "cheap"?

  On 7/6/2013 at 4:45 PM, Ceerial said:

What the hell wrong with you people

 

TH hate should be instaban.

why?

  On 7/6/2013 at 5:12 PM, oscillik said:

 

  On 7/6/2013 at 4:45 PM, Ceerial said:

What the hell wrong with you people

 

TH hate should be instaban.

why?

 

because blasphemy is disgusting.

Because boc fanboys can't take any criticism whatsoever and we're meant to avoid any depression triggers lest they all pull a Jonestown.

don't think anyone has said they hate the album.

Cheap? it defiantly isn't cheap.... well i paid 20 bucks for it at my local record store and that was an absolute bargain.

I think after 7 years there's bound to be some nitpicking, and i'm doing that, like my issue is only weighed against the very high standards they've made for themselves.

I'm sure i will get past the stutter i have with the start of the second half, but i never got this kind of stutter with MHTright, Geogaddi and Campfire Headphase as they all just seemed to flow. I've never Enjoyed a sequence of BoC tracks like i have from Gemini to Collapse either. figuratively blew my load over how good it was.

don't think criticism equates to hate, in fact that is such a dirty word. Still early impressions.

  On 7/6/2013 at 5:31 PM, baph said:

Because boc fanboys can't take any criticism whatsoever and we're meant to avoid any depression triggers lest they all pull a Jonestown.

Pretty much

  On 7/6/2013 at 5:31 PM, baph said:

Because boc fanboys can't take any criticism whatsoever and we're meant to avoid any depression triggers lest they all pull a Jonestown.

followers of the Brothers aren't the ones acting like petty little children in this thread.

you come into a subforum dedicated to celebrating BoC and fill it with whiny commentary, nitpicking at every little thing you can think of. oh, the album sounds too cheap for you? then don't listen to it. i don't see ANY of the other artists on this forum getting as much hate as BoC. do people go into the autechre subforum and complain that half of the masturbatory generative sounds they make can barely qualify as music? i doubt it. BoC is just easy to attack because it's beautiful, emotional music and you can't say, "oh it's just too complex/intelligent/braindance/abstract for you to understand, that's why you don't get it." BoC is more open to criticism, but some people take that as a sign that they can shit talk as much as they want because no one will pull the "2complex4u" card.

well i'm gonna do it. if you don't understand tomorrow's harvest, it's not because it's a bad album. it's because you haven't allowed yourself to open up to BoC's magic. you know why they call it magic window? OPEN YOURSELF TO THE MAGIC. DUH.

it's all there, it really is. you just have to look at the messages the Brothers have left us in their music. i know it looks silly to an outsider, but we all live in our own realities in our heads (i.e., the subjective human experience). you can choose to accept BoC and allow a little more beauty into your life or you can turn your back on them. it's your decision. there is no right or wrong way. but if you choose to turn your back on BoC, please don't spend your time complaining about how the album sounds cheap and you just want a rehash of music has the right to children. you will never get another album like that. it had its time and place and that is fucking special, no doubt about it. but instead of looking back to that and always comparing new material to the old, look forward, look at Tomorrow's Harvest, and let the light and love of the Brothers into your heart instead of closing yourself off to anything that doesn't mesh with your expectations of what BoC should sound like. there is no "should." it doesn't exist. get over it.

"followers of the Brothers.."

Stopped reading.

Open your body and your mind to The Brothers.

Let the brothers double penetrate your mind

MHTRTC sucks

Everyone bitches and nitpicks in every subforum, Hoodie, and TH honestly hasn't received much genuine hate. The differences is saying something like "this album is a little underwhelming and honestly fairly derivative of soundtrack work I've spent the last 15 years listening to, but still enjoyable" qualifies as horrible slander to otherwise reasonable people like yourself.

People in the ae forum know how to take a joke, weirdly enough.

The aphex forum doesn't count because it is terrifying.

I like TH and I'm glad I purchased it, but it's hardly a patch on the richness and depth of Geogaddi.

Da Bros™

Hoodie, if it makes you feel any better, I ripped the shit out of Quaristice.

If I like something, I'll defend it, like Campfire Headphase. I think it gets a bad rap. If I don't like something, I'm going to speak up (I'm not quite saintly enough to abide by "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all").

It could be argued that TH opens itself up to more scrutiny based on the fact that it's the most overtly "message album" of BoC's catalog. It's their ominous warning to humanity, apparently. That makes it open to accusations of being pretentious, humorless, etc. Luckily I don't think BoC fall entirely into that trap; Palace Posy is certainly playful. But overall I guess I do think it's a bit too grandiose for my liking, from the song titles, to the beaten-to-death arpeggios. I do feel melodically the album is more lightweight than previous outings, and that hurts it.

It also seems they are trying to reach for something as iconic as the 70s and 80s film scores they're fond of. While I'm happy they're trying new things, I don't think they are successful in creating a groove as iconic as, say, the Ennio Morricone's loping bassline for "The Thing." And I'm honestly a bit annoyed they seem to have lifted pretty blatantly from Mark Isham for Semena Mertvykh, and (somewhat less obviously) from Vangelis on Cold Earth. Funny that it didn't bother me quite as much when I learned about the source for Aquarius...I guess the reason is in that case it was funny and playful, but here I think, "if you're going to take a crack at making a soundtrack album, don't use another soundtrack album as a crutch". Maybe that's unfair.

In fact most soundtrack albums probably don't work nearly as well "stand-alone", without the mental imagery of the associated film. As TH has no film, it would have to be pretty damn stunning to get us to create that film in our minds. I don't find it quite engaging or "visual" enough for that.

I guess I just don't think they do epic as well as they do intimate. I look at TH as a "semi-successful experiment". It's a good album, it just doesn't set my pants on fire.

  On 7/6/2013 at 5:52 PM, Friendly Foil said:

"followers of the Brothers.."

 

Stopped reading.

<almost spits out mouthful of tea due to almost laughing>

now that i've regained my composure, i'd just like to add that you're mean

  On 7/6/2013 at 6:15 PM, baph said:

The aphex forum doesn't count because it is terrifying.

 

hahaha i plead guilty

  On 7/6/2013 at 8:29 PM, lumpenprol said:

TH opens itself up to more scrutiny based on the fact that it's the most overtly "message album" of BoC's catalog. It's their ominous warning to humanity, apparently.

Damn, seriously? I'm glad I was not aware of that when I first listened, probably would have painted the whole experience in a negative light. For a warning to humanity I'd say it's kind of very mediocre, but as a collection of music it's pretty nice. I think Kanye's new one is a much more ominous warning to humanity. It really made me feel like there was no hope for the world.

I don't think people who aren't automatically gushing praise over the album are trying to be party poopers here. I normally don't chime in as much when music isn't all that exciting to me. But I think what makes people want to weigh in on this is that the praise is completely out of proportion to the actual music, and more about BoC finally coming back. In my opinion. BoC does have a cult following after all. Nobody was getting all emotional and defensive about people not liking Exai, for example.

  On 7/6/2013 at 6:08 PM, qnio said:

MHTRTC sucks

Prove it.

  On 7/6/2013 at 10:20 PM, Candiru said:

I don't think people who aren't automatically gushing praise over the album are trying to be party poopers here. I normally don't chime in as much when music isn't all that exciting to me. But I think what makes people want to weigh in on this is that the praise is completely out of proportion to the actual music, and more about BoC finally coming back. In my opinion. BoC does have a cult following after all. Nobody was getting all emotional and defensive about people not liking Exai, for example.

 

 

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And sheeeeeiiitt, that's much better album.

 

I get emotional and defensive when i see bad things written about Oversteps.. KryLon me a river FFS

PS is that you Clay Davis?

Also need to take TH hate into context here

I think most people are comparing it to the quality standards BOC have set.

I think TH is just bad overall, but in comparison to other BOC works. When compared to like Daft Punk or other ACTUAL shit like that then TH is like the best album ever

But compared to Geogaddi, TH is trash.

I think I should back track on what I said earlier about them taking no risks on this album, as I played TH yesterday and it sounded perfect lol. I think as an album running from beginning to middle to end its pretty much flawless. I actually think that's its problem, it's probably too perfect.

so Hoodie, basically, you're the one who thinks Chinese Democracy is better than Appetite for destruction ?

Th isn't cheap, it's a great album

i'm not a boc fanboi

It's costs more if you take shipping into account.

*badum tshhhh*

It has such a grandiose and cinematic like quality to it.

Saying it's "cheap" is such a weird complaint to me.