Research Shows That Cocaine and Heroin Are Less Addictive Than Oreos

fwiw, this Rat Park stuff is pretty cool (thanks for the heads-up fiz). Didn't realize an experiment like this had been done so long ago. Makes intuitive sense that a rat would always choose to get high if it was stuck in solitary confinement. This says some interesting stuff about the environmental circumstances that leads to addictive behavior -- the sort of stuff Adieu and Limpy have been mentioning throughout the thread. Here's the wiki article and a fairly short summary from the researcher:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_park

http://globalizationofaddiction.ca/articles-speeches/148-addiction-the-view-from-rat-park.html

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:42 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:38 PM, cult fiction said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 4:53 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 7:45 AM, Audioblysk said:

 

I don't really know where I'm going with this, but I've never seen a fatty fence TV's, rob people, throw up, punch their wife or start having shooting pain in their body from not getting their cookies. Nice try science, but you forgot, that humans abuse drugs to mask feelings or to cope with things only relevant to humans. Rats/Mice just want food.

Once again, comparing real life behavior is not very scientific since factors like price, legality and stigma are so skewed. If junk food was banned and the price was increased 100x then we'd have something to compare.

 

 

How about the job performance of somebody who eats two entire packages of Oreos a day whilst on the job versus somebody who shoots up heroin twice a day whilst on the job?

You can do calculus homework while you're eating oreos. And afterward. Can you say the same about heroin?

 

 

I think your knowledge of heroin comes from D.A.R.E. lectures or something. I think you think someone just falls asleep after shooting heroin or they are completely incapacitated or something.

 

Many people can do many things on heroin. There are many high-functioning addicts in this world.

 

That's how it's usually portrayed in movies, which is my only knowledge of it. Never known anybody who did it more than once. Reading that some people feel like they are more effective on it now.

Some of my old work buddies used to shoot up before going to lay tile or before going to build scaffolds, lol

Edit: they're still alive

Thanks for looking that up Limpy, here's the interesting part: "loss of control over the use of or effects of the drug"

Loss of control? How much is anyone ever "in control" of their choices/actions? How can we know? This question in my opinion can never be answered through strictly logical debate of the facts - it is a very old philosophical question.

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:47 PM, cult fiction said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:42 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:38 PM, cult fiction said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 4:53 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 7:45 AM, Audioblysk said:

 

I don't really know where I'm going with this, but I've never seen a fatty fence TV's, rob people, throw up, punch their wife or start having shooting pain in their body from not getting their cookies. Nice try science, but you forgot, that humans abuse drugs to mask feelings or to cope with things only relevant to humans. Rats/Mice just want food.

Once again, comparing real life behavior is not very scientific since factors like price, legality and stigma are so skewed. If junk food was banned and the price was increased 100x then we'd have something to compare.

 

 

How about the job performance of somebody who eats two entire packages of Oreos a day whilst on the job versus somebody who shoots up heroin twice a day whilst on the job?

You can do calculus homework while you're eating oreos. And afterward. Can you say the same about heroin?

 

 

I think your knowledge of heroin comes from D.A.R.E. lectures or something. I think you think someone just falls asleep after shooting heroin or they are completely incapacitated or something.

 

Many people can do many things on heroin. There are many high-functioning addicts in this world.

 

That's how it's usually portrayed in movies, which is my only knowledge of it. Never known anybody who did it more than once. Reading that some people feel like they are more effective on it now.

 

I would say of the bona fide junkies I've known in my life, half of them are virtually indistinguishable from normal people and the other half fall somewhere on the spectrum of 'typical disfunctional degenerate junkie.'

I knew a girl in NY who was super-productive, she had a job and was working on her masters and she had her shit together more than most non-junkies. And then I've known people who couldn't do their laundry because they were so preoccupied with their addiction.

the mango oreos r my favourite

yer addicted to veganism at the cost of your own health!

i've got the elephants ears and the horses cock as well

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:50 PM, hoggy said:

Thanks for looking that up Limpy, here's the interesting part: "loss of control over the use of or effects of the drug"

 

Loss of control? How much is anyone ever "in control" of their choices/actions? How can we know? This question in my opinion can never be answered through strictly logical debate of the facts - it is a very old philosophical question.

We are just biological machines with an illusion of free will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axrywDP9Ii0

Didn't someone say somewhere that the most thrilling of heroin is to do with scheming and figuring out a way of getting the stuff. Maybe the thrill of shopping is part of the food addiction thing? This kind of brain function is quite unique to humans.

  On 10/18/2013 at 6:24 PM, azatoth said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:50 PM, hoggy said:

Thanks for looking that up Limpy, here's the interesting part: "loss of control over the use of or effects of the drug"

Loss of control? How much is anyone ever "in control" of their choices/actions? How can we know? This question in my opinion can never be answered through strictly logical debate of the facts - it is a very old philosophical question.

We are just biological machines with an illusion of free will.

 

But think a bit more about it, what does that statement mean? What is consciousness then?

  On 10/18/2013 at 6:28 PM, hoggy said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 6:24 PM, azatoth said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:50 PM, hoggy said:

Thanks for looking that up Limpy, here's the interesting part: "loss of control over the use of or effects of the drug"

 

Loss of control? How much is anyone ever "in control" of their choices/actions? How can we know? This question in my opinion can never be answered through strictly logical debate of the facts - it is a very old philosophical question.

We are just biological machines with an illusion of free will.

 

But think a bit more about it, what does that statement mean? What is consciousness then?

 

An emergent phenomena due to how our hardware has evolved over the years? Which maybe doesn't even have an explicit function at all. A curious and perhaps cruel mistake nature made.

Sartre defines consciousness as the sort-of capacity to question which, while certainly not scientifically satisfying, makes sense to me.

i know the answer to this one, but i'm not going to bother arguing inside the internets about it. there is no freewill, there is only the illusion of it, but we r more then just biological machines and science will never be able to prove the fact; just as it is unable to prove where the energy comes from which powers our cells. the smarty men in white coats think they r so cool, but there r things that they will never understand. all their complex intellectual language and their pretty plaques on the wall. all their special clubs and government funding. what a truly silly mess, the answers to our problems r so simple - stop doing what causes the problems.

You don't know the answer. And stop thinking you do. No one does. And you can't know if the answer is unknowable. And I am pretty sure modern science know pretty well how cells produce energy, ATP, high-school biology. A lack of understanding something does not mean that any pseudoscientific or otherwise mumbojumbo explanation would suddenly be valid. Unknowns are OK.

i think there r some unanswered questions regarding how ATP is formed and what the root source of energy is to begin with

[citation needed]

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:24 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:12 PM, fiznuthian said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:08 PM, andihow said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 9:22 PM, Joyrex said:

Yeah, because you see people overdosing on Oreos all the time. I doubt sugar produces the addictive side effects that heroin and cocaine do.

 

 

Aaaaaaand there it is folks

 

 

Oh my god the joy on her face as she opens that salad dressing

 

...where is the salad?

  On 10/18/2013 at 8:00 PM, OneToThirtySix said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:24 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:12 PM, fiznuthian said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:08 PM, andihow said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 9:22 PM, Joyrex said:

Yeah, because you see people overdosing on Oreos all the time. I doubt sugar produces the addictive side effects that heroin and cocaine do.

 

 

Aaaaaaand there it is folks

 

 

Oh my god the joy on her face as she opens that salad dressing

 

...where is the salad?

 

what's a salad?

  On 10/18/2013 at 5:44 PM, luke viia said:

fwiw, this Rat Park stuff is pretty cool (thanks for the heads-up fiz). Didn't realize an experiment like this had been done so long ago. Makes intuitive sense that a rat would always choose to get high if it was stuck in solitary confinement. This says some interesting stuff about the environmental circumstances that leads to addictive behavior -- the sort of stuff Adieu and Limpy have been mentioning throughout the thread. Here's the wiki article and a fairly short summary from the researcher:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_park

http://globalizationofaddiction.ca/articles-speeches/148-addiction-the-view-from-rat-park.html

Hey no problem! I think I side more on the Limpy/Adieu side of things too. Thanks for the further articles. :)

Perhaps the biggest problem with the research being discussed here is that it hasn't even been published let alone peer reviewed at all. We're reading a handful of summaries that probably do not represent the results well anyway. In regards to the oreos vs heroin debate, I think we can all agree that the circumstances of a heroin addict at their worst trumps anything experienced by your average junk food consumer. Isn't it possible this study makes no attempt to debase that? We're talking various forms and degrees of suffering (withdrawal, sucking dick, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, feeling like a turd, etc).

The relevance of this study is that it provides further evidence that food consumers are being subject to a large scale experiment. The rise of factory manufactured food is a new thing on the human scene as of the last century. Even before this study, it's well established that both food and heroin/cocaine share many similarities in effect on the limbic system.

this thread supports the idea that oreos are addictive: http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1osjkn/i_asked_my_girlfriend_if_she_ate_all_the_oreos_i/

  On 10/18/2013 at 8:08 PM, acroyear said:

 

  On 10/18/2013 at 8:00 PM, OneToThirtySix said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:24 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:12 PM, fiznuthian said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 11:08 PM, andihow said:

 

  On 10/16/2013 at 9:22 PM, Joyrex said:

Yeah, because you see people overdosing on Oreos all the time. I doubt sugar produces the addictive side effects that heroin and cocaine do.

 

 

Aaaaaaand there it is folks

 

 

Oh my god the joy on her face as she opens that salad dressing

 

...where is the salad?

 

what's a salad?

 

It's an Alabama milkshake, not a bottle of ranch. Followed quickly, by a two litre of coca-cola and half of a 36" pizza.

I just ate like shit..

Fuck junk food :(

A friend of mine was having chest pain or something and went in to see his doctor for a physical.

The doctor asked him if he smoked, he said yes.

The doctor asked if he drank, he said yes.

He asked if he did drugs, he said yes. Pot, Ecstasy, Cocaine... all yes.

The doctor asked if he drank energy drinks. My friend said yes. The doctor said "you have to stop drinking the energy drinks. Those are REALLY bad for you."

True.

I used to drink one 24oz Dr Pepper daily.

Then I stopped. And I lost 15 pounds in about two weeks.

The Ehnd

"Boof" them oreos. Boof em good.