Mac people

  On 11/29/2013 at 12:16 PM, 2WV said:

once you've had mac, you never go back...

i have one and i can't wait to get back. maybe then i will be soon angry about windows again... but paying 3 times as much as for the same product on a different platform is really not worth it in my book.

my mac is from 2008. the fans are working non stop, internet videos dont work right, the plastic is broken, two keys are missing. if i want to update, i have too buy two versions for 40 euros, because I can't install the latest os x. the mac book pro from my girlfriend is like two years old and is already having problems with the fans and temperature and a broken battery. soooo.... i would really think twice if you need this.

sounds to me like you've not looked after the thing very well... I had a 6 year old 13" white MacBook that was as good as gold until the day I sold it on a couple of years ago (and I still got around £350 for it as it was in very nice condition). my mate, on the other hand, who had a similar aged MacBook Pro, had got annoyed with it once and punched it breaking some of the keys (this kind of thing always seems idiotic to me), never updated it, never ran the maintenance scripts, kept the whole thing terribly organised with files all over the place and generally fucked the thing up all of his own accord. he was not remotely technical and would likely have treated any computer this way with exactly the same results. saying things like "internet videos don't work right" makes me think you are probably in the later camp of computer users and any issues you have are all your own doing. also, try installing windows 8 on a 6 year old pc and see how far you get. also, what have you been doing to your girlfriend's laptop? sounds like you've fucked that one up as well.

i've got a dell from 2007 with a Core2duo processor, with win32, 3gigs of ram, and it absolutely screams, well i think.

Okay look, I don't know why you decided to get a Mac in the first place, b born droid, but you really should consider this:

The pros of Mac:

- runs steady (most of the time)

- sturdy hardware

But, the cons of Mac:

- 3-4 times the price for no reason other than the brand

- No compatibility with anything else. custom formats, custom adapters, custom everything. At ridiculously high prices obviously. They deliberately exclude standards like D-Sub, DVI, HDMI to push their own products. You can't connect it to a projector for example without getting a 40$ piece of plastic first.

- Pretty much no possibility of fixing anything yourself when it breaks. You either need to send it to Apple or just buy a whole new one.

- Almost no freeware or other handy little tools will run on it

There's probably a couple things I'm forgetting here but especially the price-argument should be totally enough not to go down that road. Think of the absolute beast of a computer you can put together with the same money you'd be spending on a single mac book. Apple is, in its own way, a brilliant concept. They hired the best designers, marketing analysts and such, and manufactured this whole cult and lifestyle revolving around their company. And they are extremely successful with that. But it honestly makes me sick when I see an Apple salesman ("genius" as they are called by Apple) selling a 2000$ macbook to an older lady who just wants to check her emails. Apple is designed for people who have money and not really a clue about what they're spending it on. Even the Apple-users in this thread tell you to not buy your RAM from Apple as it's a complete rip-off, and you noticed yourself how stupid and nontransparent the website was and how it didn't let you check the technical specs. That's because the target audience doesn't even know what they mean. I'd even go so far and say that Apple knowingly targets people with a minority complex, like people who buy really expensive Jeans or a fancy purse to be part of the scene. You're mostly paying for the brand and only a small fraction for the actual computer.

lol u must be kidding yes?

  On 12/2/2013 at 2:04 PM, 2WV said:

sounds to me like you've not looked after the thing very well... I had a 6 year old 13" white MacBook that was as good as gold until the day I sold it on a couple of years ago (and I still got around £350 for it as it was in very nice condition). my mate, on the other hand, who had a similar aged MacBook Pro, had got annoyed with it once and punched it breaking some of the keys (this kind of thing always seems idiotic to me), never updated it, never ran the maintenance scripts, kept the whole thing terribly organised with files all over the place and generally fucked the thing up all of his own accord. he was not remotely technical and would likely have treated any computer this way with exactly the same results. saying things like "internet videos don't work right" makes me think you are probably in the later camp of computer users and any issues you have are all your own doing. also, try installing windows 8 on a 6 year old pc and see how far you get. also, what have you been doing to your girlfriend's laptop? sounds like you've fucked that one up as well.

you are somewhat right with that. i smahed my laptop up pretty badly when i was getting serious with music

no but i kept it up to the latest version possible (also a 13 inch white mac book from end 2007) but it stopped updating some time ago, 10.5 is the latest version. i delete old programs, run all the security updates and stuff. the harddisc is pretty full all the time though and i never set the system up from scratch. do you think it could benefit from deleting everything and setting the system up again?

also one time i tried to open the macbook to clean the fans but i already fucked up one screw so i didnt try to open it after that

i wish i could use a usb drive with my 8000$ laptop, alas!

damn it doesn't even run a software! apple calendar app will have to do as my text editor.

thunderboltz suckz so much

2 ENTIRE DAYS for fixing the battery. they even had the audacity to clean my laptop during this. i don't want them to clean my laptop!

overall, horribl experienz 0/10

  On 12/2/2013 at 6:57 PM, Terpentintollwut said:

Okay look, I don't know why you decided to get a Mac in the first place, b born droid, but you really should consider this:

 

The pros of Mac:

- runs steady (most of the time)

- sturdy hardware

 

But, the cons of Mac:

- 3-4 times the price for no reason other than the brand

- No compatibility with anything else. custom formats, custom adapters, custom everything. At ridiculously high prices obviously. They deliberately exclude standards like D-Sub, DVI, HDMI to push their own products. You can't connect it to a projector for example without getting a 40$ piece of plastic first.

- Pretty much no possibility of fixing anything yourself when it breaks. You either need to send it to Apple or just buy a whole new one.

- Almost no freeware or other handy little tools will run on it

 

There's probably a couple things I'm forgetting here but especially the price-argument should be totally enough not to go down that road. Think of the absolute beast of a computer you can put together with the same money you'd be spending on a single mac book. Apple is, in its own way, a brilliant concept. They hired the best designers, marketing analysts and such, and manufactured this whole cult and lifestyle revolving around their company. And they are extremely successful with that. But it honestly makes me sick when I see an Apple salesman ("genius" as they are called by Apple) selling a 2000$ macbook to an older lady who just wants to check her emails. Apple is designed for people who have money and not really a clue about what they're spending it on. Even the Apple-users in this thread tell you to not buy your RAM from Apple as it's a complete rip-off, and you noticed yourself how stupid and nontransparent the website was and how it didn't let you check the technical specs. That's because the target audience doesn't even know what they mean. I'd even go so far and say that Apple knowingly targets people with a minority complex, like people who buy really expensive Jeans or a fancy purse to be part of the scene. You're mostly paying for the brand and only a small fraction for the actual computer.

such lel

my mom bought an iphone. why. no im serious..

why.

because she wanted one?

My mum has a Windows phone.

my mum has windows

my mum has a ipad, so far i've failed at explaining the concept of "app". she's deeply conspicious of siri. she likes skype and mail and the camera.

she got really pissed at autocorrect when she tried to type a mail in Polish, lol.

What kind of latency are you lot getting with a half decent Mac and interface these days? Do any of you record audio from MIDI synced hardware sequencer type stuff?

Yep, I do all the time. Fuck all latency to speak of. Literally a few milliseconds...unnoticeable for most intents and purposes.

  On 12/2/2013 at 11:45 PM, 2WV said:

Yep, I do all the time. Fuck all latency to speak of. Literally a few milliseconds...unnoticeable for most intents and purposes.

how many ms?

I think mine achieves 20ms at most.

  On 12/3/2013 at 12:58 AM, soundwave said:

  On 12/2/2013 at 11:45 PM, 2WV said:

Yep, I do all the time. Fuck all latency to speak of. Literally a few milliseconds...unnoticeable for most intents and purposes.

 

how many ms?

fuck knows, like 5 or something.

make a list of the software you wanna install that you couldn't live without then figure out what computers you wanna buy then see if anyone running the software you like on the computer you like is having any problems

the difference between a vst crashing ableton repeatedly and causing you to have a crisis over it might be the specific computer model you choose

Well, it makes a difference for me, since I use mine as an effects processor for my guitar sometimes. I could never get such low latency on my PC laptop, even with asio4all.

LOL at the anti-Mac trolls in this thread. It's not 2004 anymore guys.

I prefer Apple software and hardware, and it's only slightly more expensive (comparing strictly on specs misses the point here) but it IS true that there is way less fun audio freeware available for OS X. And it's ALSO true that OS X updates move fast and you need to be careful that all the software you want to use is compatible. Sometimes you have to pay for the privilege (of updating the software so it remains compatible, I mean).

OS X is pretty heavy on the RAM these days, so go for 8 GB first. After that if there's money left over search out a faster processor, but for heavy work you definitely want to bump the RAM first.

fwiw, my MBAir has 2GB of RAM, so it uses swap extensively. the SSD makes it bearable actually!

i'm using this laptop a lot, if this little RAM would make it terrible to use, I would have upgraded long ago... not saying that an SSD can replace RAM or something, but it can compensate to a degree.

True. I have a MBA with 4 GB and it's a lovely computer. Do you run Mavericks on it tho? I haven't tried 10.9 w/ 4 GB yet.

yea upgraded to 10.9 because development / APIs etc.. apart from some weirdness with ext. harddrive when sleeping/waking, it's been okay so far... memory footprint should actually be lower because memory compression..