Mac people

Actually one more question, long shot and I think I know the answer already, but if you were to buy an Apple product second hand that's in fully working order, can I walk into an Apple store and purchase an Apple care warranty for it?

not sure, but i think it's like this: you can buy that appelcare thing only when the device is less than one year old (still under normal warranty). dunno if there can be complications when ownership is transferred..

Why doesnt Apple just focus on hardware and 3rd party applications, and let Linux take over?

Delaying the inevitable. Same for Windows. Windows and Apple's contributions have been to make themselves rich, and confound the users. Why don't they use some of their obscene profits to immenentize this crap already. Linux will win anyway, why are we still hanging on to the nut sacks of those two business dweebs?

I don't see a need to switch to Linux. Personally I think it's a pain in the ass to have to configure every single little thing about my operating system. OSX already works pretty much the way I want, for what I do on a daily basis, so why would I need anything different?

  On 12/5/2013 at 1:26 AM, modey said:

I don't see a need to switch to Linux. Personally I think it's a pain in the ass to have to configure every single little thing about my operating system. OSX already works pretty much the way I want, for what I do on a daily basis, so why would I need anything different?

to help prepare a new wave of ethics and technological competence (being able to configure an operating system without bein a girl) for our progeny

Eh. I know how to do it; I grew up with DOS and was reluctant to switch to Windows, but I just don't care anymore. I want something simple that I can use to run my music software. I do somewhat agree though, that kids should probably grow up knowing how their computers work rather than having everything done for them or whatever.. I just think it's a bit unnecessary for me to get into ridiculous operating systems when what I have already does what I need, without any disadvantages.

  On 12/5/2013 at 1:38 AM, RadarJammer said:

 

  On 12/5/2013 at 1:26 AM, modey said:

I don't see a need to switch to Linux. Personally I think it's a pain in the ass to have to configure every single little thing about my operating system. OSX already works pretty much the way I want, for what I do on a daily basis, so why would I need anything different?

to help prepare a new wave of ethics and technological competence (being able to configure an operating system without bein a girl) for our progeny

 

dunno lol. you sexist!

i can do the programmering the OSX

the REASON that you need to configure computers to do what you want them to do, is because there is Windows, OSX, and Linux.

they all do the same damn thing, the purpose is supposed to be to let you use your computer, and run programs.

Windows and OSX need to just focus on their billion zillion dollar 3rd party stuff and legacy their annoying re-inventing of the wheel like it's the new Star Wars prequel.

There doesn't NEED to be a better operating system than Linux. Linux would be better if Windows and OSX just went away, and hardware/software was focused on, instead of worrying about if it will be compatible with redundant operating systems with annoying changes every couple years.

  On 12/5/2013 at 2:04 AM, modey said:

Eh. I know how to do it; I grew up with DOS and was reluctant to switch to Windows, but I just don't care anymore. I want something simple that I can use to run my music software. I do somewhat agree though, that kids should probably grow up knowing how their computers work rather than having everything done for them or whatever.. I just think it's a bit unnecessary for me to get into ridiculous operating systems when what I have already does what I need, without any disadvantages.

you configure everything in your life but the thing that connects the closest to your brain deseves the closest attention

because its effecting your brain/mind/consciousness in a really full fledged way

no offense but that is insane.

Mostly because I just want to get down to the task of actually making music, instead of spending hours setting things up just so the latency is low enough for live guitar processing to work correctly.

ie. why would I bother spending such a long time setting things up to make them run the same way as OSX does out of the box? Look, I can see the point of Linux if you're doing highly customised ridiculous shit, but man I just want to make fun videogame music, record my band and control external synths. My mac laptop does that perfectly well with OSX.

  On 12/5/2013 at 2:28 AM, phling said:

no offense but that is insane.

you talk to a person, you think with a computer\

my brand of logic isnt fully developed yet but i don't aim to be insane, i'm working my theories out in real time.

hey no worries, I put a lot of thought into my computer! actually most of the time when i'm not distracted by the internetz, I type teh code into it.

hence, my interest in spending amounts of time to think about every minute detail of the OS is low. my brain is not that big.

  On 12/5/2013 at 2:34 AM, phling said:

hey no worries, I put a lot of thought into my computer! actually most of the time when i'm not distracted by the internetz, I type teh code into it.

 

hence, my interest in spending amounts of time to think about every minute detail of the OS is low. my brain is not that big.

windows 7 aero has these glassy streaks across all the borders and shit like that which can't be changed without really getting into configurations

people will fucking hate that and just put up with it

that trains people to put up with shit they dont like in other areas of life too. the more your operating system fucks you around like that and the more time you spend with it the more you destroy your sense of self empowerment & most importantly self identity. is this really insane way to think?

if you ask me that directly, i think it is comical.

people losing their self empowerment over glassy streaks.

srsly tho each day has only 24hrs and people need other things too right? eat, sleep, fuck, mostly. i think if someone were to put up with a windows glassy-streaks-of-doom, spending the time it would take to learn about how-to-write-a-UI-for-arch-linux-from-scratch with fucking, eating, sleeping instead, i think it is time better spent!

  On 12/5/2013 at 2:41 AM, RadarJammer said:

windows 7 aero has these glassy streaks across all the borders and shit like that which can't be changed without really getting into configurations

 

sooo the way to avoid having to get deep into windows configuration is by getting deep into linux configuration?

  On 12/5/2013 at 3:38 AM, modey said:

 

  On 12/5/2013 at 2:41 AM, RadarJammer said:

windows 7 aero has these glassy streaks across all the borders and shit like that which can't be changed without really getting into configurations

 

sooo the way to avoid having to get deep into windows configuration is by getting deep into linux configuration?

 

windows/mac hard bakes lots of idiosyncratic aesthetic and functionality into their operating systems, and you got about 3 or 4 flavors to choose from at best. you don't have the power to choose what you really want or how you really want it. you gotta take what they give and then hack at it with a bazooka until it matches your fundamental tastes. I think in the UK and maybe some other places microsoft removed internet explorer dependencies because its fucking insane.

just upgraded to win 7 and wanna keep windows ontop of the taskbar? no dice! so now with some programs like AudioMulch, you will always have the taskbar strip on the bottom, with its microsoft symbol start orb in your face. living with that, but resenting it, weakens me (and everyone else dealing with this kinda shit). If i was in linux i would sacrifice a minute of my time to configure the task bar so I could enjoy programs the way they were intended by the people who made em.

You have a point. I don't have a problem with the appearance of recent windows/osx interfaces though. It would be nice to be able to make osx even more minimal (I would *love* to be able to completely remove all gradients and rounded corners and change it to a completely flat white or light grey interface), but I wouldn't use that alone as a reason to switch, especially since almost none of my music or design software is linux compatible.

  On 12/5/2013 at 4:23 AM, modey said:

You have a point. I don't have a problem with the appearance of recent windows/osx interfaces though. It would be nice to be able to make osx even more minimal (I would *love* to be able to completely remove all gradients and rounded corners and change it to a completely flat white or light grey interface), but I wouldn't use that alone as a reason to switch, especially since almost none of my music or design software is linux compatible.

its not reason enough for me to switch either and i'm not enough of an idealist to try and use windows inside of linux as a compromise

i'm willing to put on a pot of coffee and spend all day making my windows 7 install patched hacked and attractive

some real weird ass comments in this thread to be sure...anyway, on the warranty thing, yeah unless your mac's less than a year old I don't think you can purchase it... shouldn't be a problem though, I've never had it, and never needed it.

I think `being empowered' to make your computer just how you want it is a valid point.

That said, I really don't think it's correct to say Linux is purely on the side of `freedom' in this regard, and OS X and Windows are purely on the side of `lockdown'.

Ubuntu ships with an awful UI (in my opinion) and even has some of that intrusive automatic Amazon searching bullshit built-in. Whereas, unless I'm missing something, you can easily set the taskbar in Win 7 to autohide, or turn off Aero Glass with one checkbox apiece.

But I also agree with some of the others here in that, it's an imperfect situation, I'm conscious of that, and OS X is the UI that most closely mirrors what I would actually want if I designed the thing myself. I just don't see it as a black and white issue.

Plus there's much more to an OS beyond whether the GUI is customizable. As modey is saying, OS X has (in my opinion) the superior audio `engine'—in the sense that it tends to give you lower latency, and is more reliable and configurable. I don't keep up with Linux audio very much, but it wasn't long ago that support for low-latency hardware and any sort of VST-ish plugins at all was pretty primitive and fragmented.

Plus, you can dual boot or do whatever you want anyway. I have a Linux VM on my Mac and I also have a Windows partition, so I can boot any OS I want.

One more question! How much hd space does osx/initial factory setup take up? For a brand new system.

What OS? Snow Lepoard, Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks?

For Mountain Lion and Mavericks you need 8GB of space I believe.

OS X Mavericks. That's not too bad, can't afford to get a bigger SSD but hopefully 256GB will be enough. Well, it'll have to be. Even though I know it won't be. Thank fuck I'm OCD about file management!

Thanks for your help by the way

Going back to what was being discussed earlier about not being able to upgrade ram in a Macbook... If it has a Retina Display than you're screwed.. it's soldered in... I also believe you're limited in upgrading the hard drive too.

Currently Apple only sells 1 non retina display 13" macbook pro... it's the same one they sold last year & they haven't upgraded it. I believe they stopped selling the 15".

All the new ones don't have firewire either so you have to use Thunderbolt adapter which pretty much limits your bandwidth to USB 2.0.