French mag Charlie Hebdo attacked by gunmen, 12 dead

  On 1/21/2015 at 3:15 PM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:40 AM, StephenG said:

 

Debate if far more effective in person.

 

Tone/intention/body language etc are lost over the internet/digitally mediated communication.

 

I bet most of this conversation would go over quite easygoing over a few pints and some appies.

 

You are so right.

 

true that. Or a few ciders and some barley snacks.

Or over some huge rails of meth & a broccoli pizza.

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:45 AM, Lane Visitor said:

 

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:40 AM, StephenG said:

Debate if far more effective in person.

 

Tone/intention/body language etc are lost over the internet/digitally mediated communication.

 

I bet most of this conversation would go over quite easygoing over a few pints and some appies.

 

Not to minimize the situation of course...

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:36 AM, Lane Visitor said:

 

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:15 AM, Allize said:

Oh man... I thought you were reading what I typed. You made up your mind but I respect that. Otherwise we're walking in circles. Just hope you understand why I feel offended for being called a racist, a negationist or anti-semite just for sharing this opinion.

Ya lets just agree 2 disagree. Of course no one wants to be called those things... But to casually all of the sudden bring up holocaust revisionism as something that should be looked into then several posts later defending the character of someone like dieudonne is naturally going to raise concern in the bigotry department by some people in this forum, and i dont blame them.

Ya but refer to my Lane Visitor Edit™ on that post of mine:

 

"I personally dont know you so i wouldnt judge you as a person, but rather judge your posts, which i think seems to be the status quo of fair play here on watmm unless of course someones attacking someone or bullying or spewing straightforward hate speech. "

 

I can read the same posts though and not come to such outlandish conclusions about the man's character though. I think it's a superimposed stereotype that supersedes the content and context of the posts, which were thoughtful, even handed and informative. Most people here seem to have been doing it, everyone is so indoctrinated to knee jerk reaction when certain key words are brought up, it's rather disappointing.

or if you dont like what you read you can always resort to deleting the posts you dont agree with and then ban folks, like you did with me Delet,,,

pretty disappointed to encounter the levels of Islamophobia and clear apologies/excuses for Dieudonne's blatant antisemtism in this thread, nevermind the hysteria and bs directed at anyone questioning this

anyway, mine's a diet coke w/ice and if any of you are any good @ pool its most definitely on. We could level it @ £5/$8 a frame, first to 5 frames wins.

and you've gotta nominate your pocket for the black, no flukey wins mmmmmkay

actually if theres a decent cider on tap make it a pint, not had a drink in aaaaaaaages

  On 1/22/2015 at 1:08 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:45 AM, Lane Visitor said:

 

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:40 AM, StephenG said:

Debate if far more effective in person.

 

Tone/intention/body language etc are lost over the internet/digitally mediated communication.

 

I bet most of this conversation would go over quite easygoing over a few pints and some appies.

 

Not to minimize the situation of course...

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:36 AM, Lane Visitor said:

 

  On 1/21/2015 at 8:15 AM, Allize said:

Oh man... I thought you were reading what I typed. You made up your mind but I respect that. Otherwise we're walking in circles. Just hope you understand why I feel offended for being called a racist, a negationist or anti-semite just for sharing this opinion.

Ya lets just agree 2 disagree. Of course no one wants to be called those things... But to casually all of the sudden bring up holocaust revisionism as something that should be looked into then several posts later defending the character of someone like dieudonne is naturally going to raise concern in the bigotry department by some people in this forum, and i dont blame them.

Ya but refer to my Lane Visitor Edit on that post of mine:

 

"I personally dont know you so i wouldnt judge you as a person, but rather judge your posts, which i think seems to be the status quo of fair play here on watmm unless of course someones attacking someone or bullying or spewing straightforward hate speech. "

 

 

I can read the same posts though and not come to such outlandish conclusions about the man's character though. I think it's a superimposed stereotype that supersedes the content and context of the posts, which were thoughtful, even handed and informative. Most people here seem to have been doing it, everyone is so indoctrinated to knee jerk reaction when certain key words are brought up, it's rather disappointing.

 

agreed about the sometimes ridiculous knee-jerk reaction to certain keywords (for some..*cough*.. it's as words like "barbaric" when describing the culture of oppressive regimes in arab countries)... but the way the topic of nothing-wrong-with-holocaust-revisionist-perspective / poor-dieudonne narrative came up and how cwm, clearly a new member who is still grasping onto the watmm culture of discussion in political threads, was slammed for his fiery response is bs imo. i didn't see anybody calling out people who were slamming SR4 or compson (regardless of how unpopular his opinions are- and im not standing up for any of the ignorant stuff compson said) to smithereens on multiple multiple occasions.. or eugene whose posts gets stomped on on the regular... hell an entire witchhunting thread was created directed at him.

barman, half a dozen of these and the same number of Jamesons pls,,,,,,,well it is half-way thru the week

im going with sapporo

mmmm clean & refreshing brew that

btw if anyone in the US would be up for swapping a sixer of Shock Top for some proper British ales, get in touch

people who take the chalk off the pool table & dont replace it = the real heathens

bottle or two of this for me

  On 1/22/2015 at 1:51 AM, cwmbrancity said:

people who take the chalk off the pool table & dont replace it = the real heathens

tell the landlord to invest in chalk on a string.

  On 1/22/2015 at 1:45 AM, cwmbrancity said:

mmmm clean & refreshing brew that

 

btw if anyone in the US would be up for swapping a sixer of Shock Top for some proper British ales, get in touch

first had ST by the pitcher in a Maryland crab house with orange slices = proper glugging gear. After that it was my "usual" while staying in Alexandria/VA & DC. Granted not a proper Belgian wheat brew/craft ale & its a bit of a gimmick like Blue Moon in that respect, but i couldnt get bored of it. My liver might disagree.

have u had olde skool British ales? they're a universe unto themselves.....micro-micro breweries, vast spectrum of flavours & some of the daftest names...

these blokes have saved countless rarities from extinction ,,,,,,,,

http://www.camra.org.uk/

I barely drink care to anymore these days but your lingo is making me thirsty for beer

people slag off US beer, but the varieties/diversity & quality are superb & some of the Belgian brews imported are delicious too

spoiled for choice

  On 1/22/2015 at 1:06 AM, autopilot said:

Or over some huge rails of meth & a broccoli pizza.

lol

turning an argument about politics into a discussion about alcohol: solution for world peace

  On 1/21/2015 at 10:34 PM, xox said:

 

  On 1/21/2015 at 12:46 PM, usagi said:

that's all, again, pretty paltry.

 

I have read the Qur'an twice over, and numerous sayings and conversations between the Prophet and his Companions, and the most insightful any advice on such matters gets can be boiled down to:

 

- pray some more, God will answer you

- be a good person, people will be good back to you

- don't do bad things, Satan will drag you to Hell

 

that's pretty much what I'm seeing reiterated in those articles again. the third link in particular contains a lot of prayers for stressful times, which can reassure you so long as you have faith... however when you keep praying and nothing changes, your faith erodes and pragmatism takes over.

 

I can say from my experiences that no such strategies worked for me, and I left faith slowly and agonisingly as I progressively realised this. I didn't want to leave it, but it was increasingly obvious that there was nothing there that could really help.

 

edit: also there are countless glib, empty scribblings on the Net concerning religious discussion of subjects like these which simply don't size up to the actual problems they're trying to speak to. you learn to be wary of them, even as a faithful person.

 

you were a muslim? interesting.... but now i see what is/was your problem, man. you haven't prayed enough

 

no, really. if that's how you see islam, there's nothing i can say about it.

 

so, are you an atheist now?

 

any other religion that you find possibly interesting? maybe some asian philosophies?

 

 

?????hmmm but but but ...maybe i could say something after all.

 

from what i know about islam i could only remind you that quran is primarily about correcting previous "god's books" that has been corrupted by people, confirming what was not corrupted and about sending/spreading good news about afterlife (and goods of this life).

muhammed's sayings are mostly about everything else (about 5000 authentic ones and much more semi-authentic ones). so, imo we can't expect to find how to make bread in quran (or any other religious book) nor how to cure depression cause it'd had to have 74 million pages for every possible advice.

but you can extrapolate answers from what's written in quran combined with muhammed's sayings, amarite? can't you really? i mean, you'd be amazed how many books have been written based only on the 10 commandments and how many things was extrapolated. really good stuff! i recommend.

back to islam. if you can't find what you are looking for nor extrapolate it then you can turn to quran again which says, paraphrasing - if you don't know something ask those who know. in our example that would be a baker and a psychiatrist.

 

islamic basic text (as is in other religions or philosophies) is just that, a basic text for what it was meant to do: spreading the most important messages.

we have to deal with what's not in them with 'science' or/and good reason. why else do we have science, logic and reason? where would be fun that, in knowing everything from the start? i see all religions and philosophies just as great sources for progress in all aspects of our life. remember india and the islamic empire? compare them before religions, with and after. so, yes, for a while, it was great. but humans! such morons! we can't live without wars and shit, without decadence.

 

imo, people who say that religion is the source of every evil know nothing about religions and history of mankind nor about human nature (and i'm shocked by the level of ignorance in this thread. michael jackson must be turning over in his grave!). it's our human nature that's the most problematic part in the story.

and, it's easy to be a smart-ass today after thousands of years of religions and religious thoughts, of any kind. someone could say: yes, thousands of years of suppression of thought! so fak off! but i'd have to say to him: sorry, but you know shit about history!

"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion." - Francis Bacon

"I couldn't have said it better. Good luck usagi" - Arthur Schopenhauer

"Not this Arthur Schopy shit again!" - xox

 

I'm an atheist. I can't disagree with the majority of what you have written. I notice others have just glossed over this, but I do believe you make some very good points in this post

cwmbr burst onto the scene like a torrenting Danny Dyer. If theres an opinion to be had, he'll be 'avin it. With 200 posts within the space of a week the sky is the limit for this mouthpiece of the modern world.

Bed-ridden & recovering from a blow-out @ 80mph which smeared car and driver through/along a stationary hgv truck. Wouldnt recommend it.

Hit-list: 2 broken legs, tib fib/ankles (reset), 2 broken femurs (pinned), reconstructed pelvis w/titanium brackets pinning all that in place, more titanium harness thingys which keep femurs/nerves/tendons in their respective positions. Add a compressed cheekbone & various lacerations/stitches to face/arms/chest/legs......

potions (daily): 4x10ml oramorph (heavenly stuff), 240mg codeine, 2x10mg diazepam,,,,and my own tinctures of regular chemdawg/blue cheese vapes (<--yes pls)

Danny Dwer? Fuck that, call me Lee Majors,,,,,,,,

  On 1/23/2015 at 1:12 AM, cwmbrancity said:

Bed-ridden & recovering from a blow-out @ 80mph which smeared car and driver through/along a stationary hgv truck. Wouldnt recommend it.

 

Hit-list: 2 broken legs, tib fib/ankles (reset), 2 broken femurs (pinned), reconstructed pelvis w/titanium brackets pinning all that in place, more titanium harness thingys which keep femurs/nerves/tendons in their respective positions. Add a compressed cheekbone & various lacerations/stitches to face/arms/chest/legs......

 

potions (daily): 4x10ml oramorph (heavenly stuff), 240mg codeine, 2x10mg diazepam,,,,and my own tinctures of regular chemdawg/blue cheese vapes (<--yes pls)

 

Danny Dwer? Fuck that, call me Lee Majors,,,,,,,,

 

 

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Cheers & bookmarked, thats a useful & in-depth appraisal with loads of different angles covered, particularly with regard to scarring.

People slag off the NHS, but every step of the way the people involved (from student nurses to orthopedic specialists) have been incredible, Southmead trauma unit especially......

quite an eye-opener

Francis Bacon had a good point but you don't have to have a religion for that. A personal, still-questioning belief is more than enough. Religion is for people wanting things easy in their life. A crutch really. A herd is an argument enough for insecure people. Religion had its role in the past though.

I also believe that a deeper philosophy (probably more than Francis Bacon thought) is a religion's biggest enemy. There is so many things in religions that fail against some bigger philosophy and logic.

I definitely partially agree with that in the sense that theres a lot of dogma and stuff from early religion that doesn't seem applicable today. But i think there's definitely much value that people can obtain from incorporating religion in their lives. It's funny, the word religion is so tainted because of how mainstream the 3 largest religions are, and so when people talk about "God", "religion" "faith" or other buzzwords, it immediately conjures up images of Jesus on a cross or the old testament etc. But to leave it at that is to miss the wider implications of more abstract notions of faith that i think is an undeniable human experience. I think we all gain and lose different types of faith (of ourselves, the universe, the greater good, God, what have you) back and forth through out our lives. This notion of faith is most easily organized and branded on a massive scale by the aspect of "religion". Anyway, im rambling on and going off of lack of sleep, but really what i mean is that the journey of faith/lack of faith/going in between faith and no faith is a deep emotional human aspect that's universal and inherent. Religion is more of a "thing", where as Christianity, Islam and Judaism are more "things", but even more specific. The more specific this branding of faith becomes, the harder it becomes to understand that it's still under the human umbrella. By our human nature we're all about semantics, language, branding things, etc.. it's dumb for sure, and would be easier if us humans could just call music and love our faith and journey, but we're still in a tribal phase of humanity, and i don't think that's bad per se, just that this is the current step we're at within the bigger picture of our "journey"

Religion is just a one long dead end.

There is nothing on this earth that would religion give you and nothing else would be able to substitute it or even overcome it. Be it good morals, healthy society, good mental health, meaning of life, spirituality... whatever.

A personal belief is more than enough. If not, "you" have a problem somewhere and religion is a crutch waiting for you. But crutch is a crutch. Not a solution for your fundamental problems.