Cygnus San Francisco Soundboard also AMAA

  On 10/30/2015 at 5:54 PM, cygnus said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 5:41 PM, D4M0 said:

lovin the set ! hope to see you in france soon !

 

i would love to come play in france!!

  On 10/30/2015 at 5:46 PM, goDel said:

couple of awesome tracks in this set. cygnus, please tell me the track played around the 15 mins mark will get a release! such a beast of a track.

 

that track is absolutely going to be released !! all of them are

 

<3 !!!1

I can't get over the awesomeness which starts at 13:15 'till the 30 mins mark. A good 1/4 of an hour of pure uptempo electro heaven. Brilliant stuff. Really lovin' it. Hope the official release sounds as loose and playful as this set. It sounds like you're throwing stuff in and out, twisting knobs like a madman, and it all works perfectly.

my god! this live set is soooo goooood! thnx cy

  On 10/30/2015 at 5:56 PM, joshuatx said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 5:27 PM, cygnus said:

saved all those links man, thank you@ !

yeah it looks like i have a lot to dig thru, tbh my exposure to the genre is probably heavily filtered. the visual component is pretty much my favorite part of it. there's this kind of dreamy feeling to it and its mad futuristic but it's also very nostalgic

i feel like that when i listen to drexciya - its like nostalgia for the past but it's also so future . kraftwerk too of course

 

yeah that future past / hauntology aspect of it is what I love about it - it's aesthetics and sounds that were seemingly never given the light of day in the past AND/OR has this nostalgic emotional response to media that people individually discarded or forgot. that's what distinguishes it from a lot of other music imo.

 

it's cathartic too - a lot of the vaporwave i like either samples or evokes new age, muzak, library and corporate music that made up childhood for me but in a passive sense. a chillwave had this at times too but mostly missed the mark. it's like boards of canada (who evoked 70s to early 80s music) for my generation (I'm 29) BUT I say that as my perspective...a lot of kids making this stuff weren't even born until right before or after 2000 so this is all completely novel and new to them as a look and vibe.

 

i'm so fucking glad that you said that, cause i wonder the same thing. there are so many 16-17 year old kids in my town who make vaporwave music & that nostalgiacore soulwave shit and they tack on the web2.0/dolphins/grafx/chillwave aesthetic and they totally get it. they actually get vaporwave and they absolutely shouldn't. im thinking that for them, it should be what watching the Jetsons is like for me, or M*A*S*H, cuz i mean yeah, it's notalgic and it's good, but culturally i'm so removed from it that i could never identify with it . even goth is absorbing vaporwave vibes . health goth is vaporwave in disguise.

but yeah dude these ppl were born in the year 1999 ffs. like how do they really get it? i mean i know it doesnt really matter if it's "got" or "not got" , and the stuff they make is really good, but i'm interested in how it even translates into becoming a style for them A) because literally the genre is unmarketable and can't be forced down anybodys throats , and A1) licensing/copyright pretty much prohibits hard vaporwave from being widely proliferated B) it's not associated with drugs/drug use and C) when you're being truly honest u have to admit it's the nerdiest/uncool/old-guy-stuff in the world

sean said in an interview that he doesnt understand how im so close to the music that he grew up with considering when i was born (i'm 30 years old now) so it's prob the same thing . i would just say i recognize good shit for good shit and these kids probably do too. the thing is that vaporwave is already over , isn't it ?

I want to hear a standalone fleshed out version of the track at 31:20 in your set with that crazy lead. Sick tune!

I'm gonna pass on your name/this set to some promoters I know in Philly & NY. They book mostly dubstep/dnb but after hearing how good your stuff sounded on Union Transfer's system I'm confident you could kill it on a more bass-heavy soundsystem.

oh and re: vaporwave imho tim and eric probably have/had a lot to do with it , cause they present it with humor & slapstick & dick/fart jokes which kind of makes it accessible to anyone of literally any maturity level or age

also re: corporate music/muzak

i visited the church of scientology in los angeles ! it was the most vaporwave shit ive seen in my life. i did the entire L. Ron Hubbard tour and it was amazing. there's this vibe and feeling of everything being so absolutely fake and corporate and i have no idea why i romanticize that vibe so much. it was like an overdose of corporate/muzak/self-help imagery and sounds. theres just something so futuristic about it. they gave me a bunch of books to take home and i showed them to rob hall . i go "i went to the church of scientology and got a bunch of free stuff!" and he goes "why did you do that" .

i ended up giving all the books to mark from SND , tried to troll him and make him believe i joined and was tryng to recruit him, i go "would you like to know about scientology?" and he goes "what", and i said, "i just became a member yesterday!" and he goes "why"

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:39 PM, cygnus said:

 

i ended up giving all the books to mark from SND , tried to troll him and make him believe i joined and was tryng to recruit him, i go "would you like to know about scientology?" and he goes "what", and i said, "i just became a member yesterday!" and he goes "why"

flol

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:39 PM, cygnus said:

oh and re: vaporwave imho tim and eric probably have/had a lot to do with it , cause they present it with humor & slapstick & dick/fart jokes which kind of makes it accessible to anyone of literally any maturity level or age

 

also re: corporate music/muzak

 

i visited the church of scientology in los angeles ! it was the most vaporwave shit ive seen in my life. i did the entire L. Ron Hubbard tour and it was amazing. there's this vibe and feeling of everything being so absolutely fake and corporate and i have no idea why i romanticize that vibe so much. it was like an overdose of corporate/muzak/self-help imagery and sounds. theres just something so futuristic about it. they gave me a bunch of books to take home and i showed them to rob hall . i go "i went to the church of scientology and got a bunch of free stuff!" and he goes "why did you do that" .

 

i ended up giving all the books to mark from SND , tried to troll him and make him believe i joined and was tryng to recruit him, i go "would you like to know about scientology?" and he goes "what", and i said, "i just became a member yesterday!" and he goes "why"

lolololol

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:41 PM, jellyrajah said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:39 PM, cygnus said:

 

i ended up giving all the books to mark from SND , tried to troll him and make him believe i joined and was tryng to recruit him, i go "would you like to know about scientology?" and he goes "what", and i said, "i just became a member yesterday!" and he goes "why"

 

flol

 

HAHA, I was at the LA show and walked past the Church and i was tryna get my friends to come in but they just kept walking. I looked in and saw a huge LRH bust and a water wall thing, vaporwave af. Definitely gonna hit that place up in the future.

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:27 PM, cygnus said:

 

 

sean said in an interview that he doesnt understand how im so close to the music that he grew up with considering when i was born (i'm 30 years old now) so it's prob the same thing . i would just say i recognize good shit for good shit and these kids probably do too. the thing is that vaporwave is already over , isn't it ?

 

it's in a "post-vaporwave" state really. i mean, those who said its dead jumped ship. it got really bad with crappy ripoff artists and meme art shit when I got into.

but it's not dead because while some labels died out (like Fortune 500) a lot of labels are embracing it more than ever - adhesive sounds for example. likewise dream catalogue, which was a late comer arguably, has put out very good and consistent releases and inadvertently become huge - to the point where it's on spotify, selling albums not giving them out, and a recent release had a ZOMBY remix.

interestingly enough the fan base has stuck together and pushed for progression. it's a community now more than a genre, which is good and bad because a lot of cool stuff is being made but likewise a lot of it to me sounds pretty redundant. but in this day and age when "the ocean" of labels and outlets is huge it's good these producers are sticking up for each other and keeping it DIY. and to some extent there's a canon being established and kept up: vaporwave reddit cleaned up their site so music was on one page, substantive images (vaporwave aethetics / influence) and the meme shit on another. i mean floral shoppe was awesome b/c it sounded cool but ironically it's biggest influence has been the fact that kids plaster roman busts all over. it's like hip-hop or rave, the early sounds form this template for others - that's why some samples are so frequent and common, they're samples of samples of samples.

personally i'm a bit burned out but a lot has to do with me wanting to get my priorities straight when it comes to my music listening, producing, involvement. i feel like a lot of vaporwave is something i can't engage with - i.e. kids perpetually rehashing and remixing the same memes and sounds and all. i rather get back to what appealed to me in the first place, and a lot of music like that isn't even on the "vaporwave" radar

im also nostalgic for the days when i had to burn cds or download music via p2p networks or browing allmusic.com or simply via word of mouth...i.e. before streaming. the irony of young vaporwave fans is they consume this stuff in a way that is detached from the context of the era media they draw a lot of influence from.

i kinda of feel like the last remnant of an age when music was still discovered, listened to and discussed a reasonable, personable pace

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:41 PM, jellyrajah said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:39 PM, cygnus said:

 

i ended up giving all the books to mark from SND , tried to troll him and make him believe i joined and was tryng to recruit him, i go "would you like to know about scientology?" and he goes "what", and i said, "i just became a member yesterday!" and he goes "why"

 

flol

 

hahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF1tPlgctss

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:37 PM, autopilot said:

I want to hear a standalone fleshed out version of the track at 31:20 in your set with that crazy lead. Sick tune!

 

oof thanks man

yeah that one's coming out for sure, they all are. im not in studio today but will be working on getting those rdy for release

id love to come out and play in philly/chicago or wherever . dub/dnb heads like my trax alot

hell man i know the genre gets a lot of flak (for whatever reason) but i like a good amount of dubstep . ive tried making it too

i'm absolutely ripped apart @ diane charlemagne recent passing. RIP - can you believe how good she was?

i mean thats one of my fav things about electro @ 140bpm is you can drop the snare on 3 at any time and get dubby . transform it

  On 10/30/2015 at 7:39 AM, cygnus said:

Danny they are both hilarious and easy going individuals and they drink a shit load of coffee

Yay, ae are coffeeheads :) What are the chances of them using an AEroPress, just wondering..

Hi Cygnus, digging the music very much. Was shredding a little on the drum kit along to Radical User Interfaces, nexus telecoms is a favourite. Release moar!

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:27 PM, cygnus said:

but yeah dude these ppl were born in the year 1999 ffs. like how do they really get it? i mean i know it doesnt really matter if it's "got" or "not got" , and the stuff they make is really good, but i'm interested in how it even translates into becoming a style for them A) because literally the genre is unmarketable and can't be forced down anybodys throats , and A1) licensing/copyright pretty much prohibits hard vaporwave from being widely proliferated B) it's not associated with drugs/drug use and C) when you're being truly honest u have to admit it's the nerdiest/uncool/old-guy-stuff in the world

well this is the punk / garage rock for many i suppose - armed with pirated DAWS and youtube rips instead of cheap guitars and drums or MPCs and records. and a break from navigating i think too the DIY community aspect is huge and the social aspect appealing to kids who grew up with the faux sense of connection with social media and internet from birth.

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:51 PM, cygnus said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:37 PM, autopilot said:

I want to hear a standalone fleshed out version of the track at 31:20 in your set with that crazy lead. Sick tune!

 

 

dub/dnb heads like my trax alot

 

Yeah definitely. I've been heavy into the local bass music scene for a few years now producing & DJing, and convinced a bunch of heads to come out to the show in Philly. A bunch of them were overwhelmed & confused by AE (though a few were rightfully impressed/blown away), but almost all of them agreed you had the set of the night.

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:48 PM, joshuatx said:

the irony of young vaporwave fans is they consume this stuff in a way that is detached from the context of the era media they draw a lot of influence from.

 

i kinda of feel like the last remnant of an age when music was still discovered, listened to and discussed a reasonable, personable pace

 

took the words right out of my mouth

i mean do these kids know that they are basically enjoying trash? is vaporwave dada ? i hav no clue. it can't be dada because it's like 20-25 years from its "roots", right? i dont know if i understand dada completely. if u ask me, corporate nonsense and trash as it exists TODAY could never be romanticized. like i literally can't imagine 20 years from now people are feeling nostalgic for, fuck, idk, youtube ads? the stuff of the late 80's and 90's tho, there's some kind of charm to it that makes it so easy to love.

tbh i think it's better because even though it's trash, it's human trash . the 'trash' we see now is different. i dont think nostalgia can explain it fully . there was stuff my parents hated from their generation and talked mad shit about . actually they dissed more stuff from the 50's and the 60's than i do now of stuff from the 90's, i'm kind of indifferent to the trash, the detritus & debris of the 90's . i mean i seriously think it could just be the medium itself - the way some ppl are reflecting on the medium at least . idk what do u think?

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:56 PM, joshuatx said:

and the social aspect appealing to kids who grew up with the faux sense of connection with social media and internet from birth.

 

 

 

 

yeah it's weird. everything starts on the internet now doesn't it?

i mean every local show that i go to (which is a lot) is first announced, discussed and planned thru facebook - and then it happens in real life and people are on facebook while they are at the event, posting pictures of each other at the event on instagram, then posting the instagram pictures on facebook... and then when the event is over everyone reads about it on facebook, posts about it. its completely 9mm'd that vibe of human & terrestrial ownership . as if facebook and real life traded places or something like that

everybody saves all of their memories to fb/instagram, precious family memories and etc. pictures of their babies, grandparents, it all seems to start there.

its like in the not too distant future women will stop giving birth to kids and just upload the embryo digitally to a server?

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:43 PM, o00o said:

About quality control: How do you know when a song is good enough to release?

hmmmmmmmmm

youre going to hate this answer

but i typically just kinda "know"

dont get me wrong theres a lot of experimentation in the process but i generally know exactly what the track is going to sound like before i even turn on the gear . i have a good idea of what im going for. im like escorting in something from another world

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:50 PM, jellyrajah said:

how did you first come across artists like drexciya?

i actually dont remember . long time ago

i think (???) my friend ricky showed me their stuff and it was probably neptunes lair

me and gerald are good friends but he doesn't talk about drexciya ever

i found out about autechre thru my friend jason when i was 14-15 yrs old

Do you see the current trend of kind of... analog fetishism (don't know what else to call it...) going away anytime soon? I guess what I'm asking is if you see the next generation of electronic musicians gravitating towards gear, or more software based production?

The reason I ask this is because, having grown up with computers from a young age, they seem very intuitive to me. Even programming (mostly C+ and basic html stuff) was something we took in jr high/high school. I can only imagine the next generation of kids and some of those being producers will find computers so intuitive that maybe it would be second nature for them.

Dumb question I guess.

  On 10/30/2015 at 8:36 PM, cygnus said:

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:43 PM, o00o said:

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:50 PM, jellyrajah said:

how did you first come across artists like drexciya?

 

i actually dont remember . long time ago

i think (???) my friend ricky showed me their stuff and it was probably neptunes lair

me and gerald are good friends but he doesn't talk about drexciya ever

i found out about autechre thru my friend jason when i was 14-15 yrs old

 

I actually think the radio/mix sets Autechre did years ago at XLT (2004? earlier?) helped a lot of people getting into old detroit techno. Also, a classic gescom DJ set which started out with a labrat xl track might have helped as well. Whatever the case, them AE boys might have been the gateway drug.

  On 10/30/2015 at 9:12 PM, StephenG said:

Do you see the current trend of kind of... analog fetishism (don't know what else to call it...) going away anytime soon? I guess what I'm asking is if you see the next generation of electronic musicians gravitating towards gear, or more software based production?

 

The reason I ask this is because, having grown up with computers from a young age, they seem very intuitive to me. Even programming (mostly C+ and basic html stuff) was something we took in jr high/high school. I can only imagine the next generation of kids and some of those being producers will find computers so intuitive that maybe it would be second nature for them.

 

Dumb question I guess.

i dont think its a dumb question

i think the future will just be more of what we have now ; manufacturers and designers scrambling to find out what it is exactly that people want and trying to balance that with being innovative and including bells & whistles and things like that, being "cool" as a company (which is extremely difficult for them tbh)

as far as production suites go the future is def going to be based on hardware working w/ software . if you work with hardware primarily they'll have something to help you visualize and interface that stuff with software, or another piece of gear..

or if you work with software primarily they'll have all kinds of interesting control surfaces and controllers and stuff that let u control the software .

it's becoming smaller, more compact, more 'on the road' type stuff. (ex: that new novation groovebox thing)

yeah this thing

they're putting more sounds and options inside smaller boxes

tbh i think it may not even be possible to predict what gear will look like in the future because each new piece of equipment, the way its setup & its workflow is designed- changes the way a person thinks. theyre literally asking u to change your personal workflow, to try out new routines. so the relationship between manufacturers/gearmakers and the customer is kind of like this symbiotic relationship, or conversation that they are having . "no, i didnt like this, this would be better. i got tired of that functionality, i dont like those sounds, i prefer these", and then the next thing comes out, "ok so do you want this? we added more flashing led's and multicolored drum pads." i mean lets not forget that roland re-released a 30 year old drum machine with the exact same sounds because everyone was begging for it . it's just this long conversation, this weird relationship between producers and manufacturers . its like looking at graffiti it seems to be consistent over time but on an elemental level it's totally chaotic (the relationship between mannufacturer and customer)

there is a phrase i have coined ; "musical laptophobia" , u dont have to think very long about the term to know what it means. u know exactly what it means . so the manufacturers know that some people have that and they just want a bunch of pedals and sequencers on their table or on stage or in their studio and will manufacture things like this

and its a nice machine and its capable and fun but for the person who isn't ML they are going to feel limited by it . so the companies right now seem to be in this weird race , theyre trying to feel everybody out and see what it is exactly that ppl want, that tight balance between what they can do with their resources to create affordable fully functional desktop grooveboxes and etc and turn a profit but also not exclude the guy who is on max/msp programming everything by hand . the big thing right now is making things affordable.

maschine is a dope ass platform but it excludes ppl who are ML cause they dont wanna use a computer at all . the new mpc touch thing doesnt even work without a computer and software. the phobes dont want it , they want a thing that weighs 4 pounds and is sturdy and has lots of features. so the manufacturer has to try and squeeze in what they can so these ppl wont feel that way, and also include the option to hook it up to a computer as well for those who arent ML

im slightly on ML spectrum but it's cuz i get lost very easily when theres too many things on the screen/details. sean tried to get me to play dwarf fortress and when i installed it i almost had a stroke. i dont mind the laptop at all. the thing is that where i live and where i mostly gig at, which is in the southern united states , ppl really arent interested in what youre doing if they dont have the feeling like you could fuck something up while youre playing. they want to watch you moving around and doing stuff and exerting. so some people want to bring that energy to the stage or have that available to them in their studio and some dont and the companies are like "well wtf mother fucker last year u said thats all u wanted from a synth" etc .

i have to warn you that i rly dont know what im talking about. but yeah there'll be more of that stuff like korg was doing last year with those nano modular things, more DIY stuff too, more "kit" oriented things

there'll be tons of cool kickstarter projects and majors will take note from those (they already are, kind of)

the companies try to keep their ear to the ground on what trends are currently popular in music and that informs a lot of their design decisions too. u can observe that with Native Instruments a lot. i hope i came close to answering your question

  On 10/30/2015 at 9:17 PM, goDel said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 8:36 PM, cygnus said:

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:43 PM, o00o said:

  On 10/30/2015 at 2:50 PM, jellyrajah said:

how did you first come across artists like drexciya?

 

i actually dont remember . long time ago

i think (???) my friend ricky showed me their stuff and it was probably neptunes lair

me and gerald are good friends but he doesn't talk about drexciya ever

i found out about autechre thru my friend jason when i was 14-15 yrs old

 

 

I actually think the radio/mix sets Autechre did years ago at XLT (2004? earlier?) helped a lot of people getting into old detroit techno. Also, a classic gescom DJ set which started out with a labrat xl track might have helped as well. Whatever the case, them AE boys might have been the gateway drug.

 

yup!!!!!!

cygnus: What is your favourite breakfast cereal? Mine is cinnamon toast crunch.

Ace set cygnus, i hadn't heard you before, i'll be checking out the rest of your forthcoming stuff.

  On 10/30/2015 at 10:38 PM, Entorwellian said:

cygnus: What is your favourite breakfast cereal? Mine is cinnamon toast crunch.

man idk i can't eat too early in the day it just makes me go back to sleep

i liked Pops when i was a kid

i'm pressing f5 only to see who's gonna be the first to ask cygnus to name his left foot

Thank you for the response!