Kanye West - The Life of Pablo

Yeah exactly. I'd be so f'en pissed if I paid big money to a concert like that and this happened.

If I went to a Kanye West concert I'd be pissed if he didn't throw some kind of tantrum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwwN5X2Fhk&feature=youtu.be&t=1m

  On 11/21/2016 at 6:21 PM, Bulk VanderHooj said:

kanye is a fucking moron

THIS. 1 billion times this.

  On 11/21/2016 at 8:04 PM, xxx said:

He's talking some real shit mixed into gobbledygook. From an armchair Freud stance, he's good support for the diathesis-stress model. When his mom died, he went on a tear like this. Kim was recently threatened and robbed and now another meltdown. Normally, this stuff is good for his brand in an Andy Kaufman way but he's really threatening his true moneymaker (ticket sales).

Definitely.

But, the problem with the diathesis-stress model is that

it's kind of a 'black box' hypothesis, in that "diathesis" is wildly under-specified, so in a way it's a bit like offering "magic" as an explanation: it doesn't specify the underlying mechanism.

What I think is going on with Kanye (with regards to "diathesis") is

I've tried to separate the artist from the art over the years instead of spending time dwelling on the person who makes the music or whatever. Meaning, just appreciate/enjoy the art if it appeals to you, ignore it if it doesn't. Don't think of the person behind it or let that persona taint your appreciation and augment how their art makes you feel. It's really hard to do sometimes, especially with people who have their ego sticking out like a sore thumb in their music.

Like with Michael Jackson. It's fucked he was (more than likely) diddling kids... absolutely horrible if true. But I love the art that came from his head and his collaborations with musicians/composers. 

Pretty much what I've come around to feel about Kanye. I really like his early work and some of his newer stuff for how it makes me feel and some of the lyrics he used to have. The guy is a total spazz in the public light which is what garners him attention and hype behind his art -- sounds to me like most famous musicians and artists. Meh. 

Jeez, just looked at one of the tracks on that album on discogs to see who's behind it:

Fade

Co-producer – Anthony Kilhoffer, Benji B, Mike Dean, Ryan "Charlie Handsome" Vojtesak*

Featuring, Vocals – Post Malone, Ty Dolla $ign*

Producer – Kanye West

Written-By – A. Post*, C. Grant*, E. Holland Jr.*, K. West*, L. Heard*, N. Whitfield*, Rapture Stewart, R. Owens*, R. Wilson*, T. Griffin*

Blimey, is that enough people ?! Especially as the track just uses this throughout and yet somehow makes it 10 times worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFdMJCvDjDQ

all this would be cool if the music was good

http://pitchfork.com/news/69992-kanye-west-hospitalized-report/

  Quote

West was hospitalized “for his own health and safety.” He was reportedly taken to the UCLA Medical Center for psychiatric evaluation in an ambulance, and according to TMZ, he was transported in handcuffs. Earlier today, it was revealed that Kanye had canceled his remaining tour dates.

  On 11/22/2016 at 2:27 AM, mcbpete said:

Jeez, just looked at one of the tracks on that album on discogs to see who's behind it:

 

Fade

Co-producer – Anthony Kilhoffer, Benji B, Mike Dean, Ryan "Charlie Handsome" Vojtesak*

Featuring, Vocals – Post Malone, Ty Dolla $ign*

Producer – Kanye West

Written-By – A. Post*, C. Grant*, E. Holland Jr.*, K. West*, L. Heard*, N. Whitfield*, Rapture Stewart, R. Owens*, R. Wilson*, T. Griffin*

 

That shit always amuses me. The average mainstream hip-hop track involves like 20+ people and yet sounds like a stoned kid produced a beat with a dozen percussion hits in 15 minutes in Fruity Loops.

  On 11/22/2016 at 5:01 AM, psn said:

http://pitchfork.com/news/69992-kanye-west-hospitalized-report/

  Quote

West was hospitalized “for his own health and safety.” He was reportedly taken to the UCLA Medical Center for psychiatric evaluation in an ambulance, and according to TMZ, he was transported in handcuffs. Earlier today, it was revealed that Kanye had canceled his remaining tour dates.

Fingers crossed 

  On 11/21/2016 at 10:34 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 11/21/2016 at 8:04 PM, xxx said:

He's talking some real shit mixed into gobbledygook. From an armchair Freud stance, he's good support for the diathesis-stress model. When his mom died, he went on a tear like this. Kim was recently threatened and robbed and now another meltdown. Normally, this stuff is good for his brand in an Andy Kaufman way but he's really threatening his true moneymaker (ticket sales).

Definitely.

But, the problem with the diathesis-stress model is that

it's kind of a 'black box' hypothesis, in that "diathesis" is wildly under-specified, so in a way it's a bit like offering "magic" as an explanation: it doesn't specify the underlying mechanism.

 

What I think is going on with Kanye (with regards to "diathesis") is

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that...in a mentally-healthy individual, stress/trauma/anomaly is overcome by creating an accurate, high-resolution map of the stressful/traumatic event ('territory'). This is the "alchemy" that Jung spent his life obsessed with: you catch the dragon in a net, chop it up into little pieces, and with the pieces you build a shield.

 

So for example: if you were tormented during school and this has haunted you ever since and affected your psycho-social disposition, the solution is to zoom in on the event ["other human beings intentionally causing me pain, for whatever reason"], take it apart, analyze it, and then devise a "map" of what the hell a human being is and why they hell they would want to cause you pain...and perhaps what is up with *you* such that this social event bothered you so much...

 

With Kanye, there's a bit of his 'map of things' that is not accurate, and possibly won't ever become accurate because of ego-relates blindness. And trauma and stress persist *precisely* because our maps lag behind what we're mapping, and new maps hurt to draw because you have to crumple up the old ones and toss them out, and hey our old maps are familiar and comfortable...and this is why people have anxiety disorders and PTSD and why they sometimes stay that way for the rest of their life)

 

So anyway, I think Kanye is sifting through the chaos, trying to find the relevant bits, making a map of them, and sharing that map with others (this is the job of artists and shaman and scientists and journalists and cartographers and translators etc etc etc), but his ego makes him a bit blind, so the maps he's offering in this rant are just madness...

 

And also he uses language in instrumental/prescriptive ways ("YOU should do X,Y and Z"), so of course there's a fair bit of that happening (as there is with not people), and so often the "descriptive" maps we offer others are actually self-serving prescriptions in disguise...

 

/my psychotherapy rant of the day

 

 

 

nice breakdown, wasn't familiar with diathesis-stress until these posts

  On 11/22/2016 at 2:23 AM, Audioblysk said:

 

Pretty much what I've come around to feel about Kanye. I really like his early work and some of his newer stuff for how it makes me feel and some of the lyrics he used to have. The guy is a total spazz in the public light which is what garners him attention and hype behind his art -- sounds to me like most famous musicians and artists. Meh. 

I get tired more of people over-thinking him, there's always such a meta discussion when you read a review of his work.

His rants swing both ways too  - when I saw him at ACL in 2011 we went into a rant about how humbled he was by the dancers and touring musicians and visual/set people he was working with, and how they had been doing their art and work for much longer than him for far less credit and public following.

  On 11/21/2016 at 9:06 PM, Zephyr_Nova said:

If I went to a Kanye West concert I'd be pissed if he didn't throw some kind of tantrum.

probably a bewildering set of stresses both real and imagined.. sometimes a person needs a forced vacation.

Being on that reality show finally drove him mad

  On 11/22/2016 at 6:16 AM, joshuatx said:

 

  On 11/21/2016 at 10:34 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 11/21/2016 at 8:04 PM, xxx said:

He's talking some real shit mixed into gobbledygook. From an armchair Freud stance, he's good support for the diathesis-stress model. When his mom died, he went on a tear like this. Kim was recently threatened and robbed and now another meltdown. Normally, this stuff is good for his brand in an Andy Kaufman way but he's really threatening his true moneymaker (ticket sales).

Definitely.

But, the problem with the diathesis-stress model is that

it's kind of a 'black box' hypothesis, in that "diathesis" is wildly under-specified, so in a way it's a bit like offering "magic" as an explanation: it doesn't specify the underlying mechanism.

 

What I think is going on with Kanye (with regards to "diathesis") is

  Reveal hidden contents

that...in a mentally-healthy individual, stress/trauma/anomaly is overcome by creating an accurate, high-resolution map of the stressful/traumatic event ('territory'). This is the "alchemy" that Jung spent his life obsessed with: you catch the dragon in a net, chop it up into little pieces, and with the pieces you build a shield.

 

So for example: if you were tormented during school and this has haunted you ever since and affected your psycho-social disposition, the solution is to zoom in on the event ["other human beings intentionally causing me pain, for whatever reason"], take it apart, analyze it, and then devise a "map" of what the hell a human being is and why they hell they would want to cause you pain...and perhaps what is up with *you* such that this social event bothered you so much...

 

With Kanye, there's a bit of his 'map of things' that is not accurate, and possibly won't ever become accurate because of ego-relates blindness. And trauma and stress persist *precisely* because our maps lag behind what we're mapping, and new maps hurt to draw because you have to crumple up the old ones and toss them out, and hey our old maps are familiar and comfortable...and this is why people have anxiety disorders and PTSD and why they sometimes stay that way for the rest of their life)

 

So anyway, I think Kanye is sifting through the chaos, trying to find the relevant bits, making a map of them, and sharing that map with others (this is the job of artists and shaman and scientists and journalists and cartographers and translators etc etc etc), but his ego makes him a bit blind, so the maps he's offering in this rant are just madness...

 

And also he uses language in instrumental/prescriptive ways ("YOU should do X,Y and Z"), so of course there's a fair bit of that happening (as there is with not people), and so often the "descriptive" maps we offer others are actually self-serving prescriptions in disguise...

 

/my psychotherapy rant of the day

 

 

 

nice breakdown, wasn't familiar with diathesis-stress until these posts

But TL;DR = stress spirals out of control because our amygdala tags certain of our memories/maps-of-the-world as "threatening" in our hippocampus, which tells our hypothalamus (I think) to release cortisol so we're jacked and ready to deal with threats, and if those threats (whether past present or future) aren't analyzed and mapped to the amygdala's satisfaction, then you continue producing cortisol and that is precisely what stress and anxiety are

And if someone is resistant to making new maps for whatever reason, you get a neurotic individual

  On 11/22/2016 at 2:27 AM, mcbpete said:

Jeez, just looked at one of the tracks on that album on discogs to see who's behind it:

 

Fade

Co-producer – Anthony Kilhoffer, Benji B, Mike Dean, Ryan "Charlie Handsome" Vojtesak*

Featuring, Vocals – Post Malone, Ty Dolla $ign*

Producer – Kanye West

Written-By – A. Post*, C. Grant*, E. Holland Jr.*, K. West*, L. Heard*, N. Whitfield*, Rapture Stewart, R. Owens*, R. Wilson*, T. Griffin*

 

Blimey, is that enough people ?! Especially as the track just uses this throughout and yet somehow makes it 10 times worse

 

 

One thing I've heard (specifically from Jack Donoghue of Salem) is that Kanye is very nice about crediting anyone who worked on a song with him even if a skeletal portion of their idea remains in the final song.

Holy shit you're right e.g. L.Heard being the composer of that Mystery of Love track that was sampled throughout Fade

  On 11/21/2016 at 4:58 PM, mcbpete said:

The man needs to be in therapy not on stage. The above comes across like the wild ranting of a teenager before going on a rampage

  On 11/22/2016 at 5:01 AM, psn said:

http://pitchfork.com/news/69992-kanye-west-hospitalized-report/

  Quote

West was hospitalized “for his own health and safety.” He was reportedly taken to the UCLA Medical Center for psychiatric evaluation in an ambulance, and according to TMZ, he was transported in handcuffs. Earlier today, it was revealed that Kanye had canceled his remaining tour dates.

 

OMG, Kanye's therapists read WATMM - Hey guys !

https://youtu.be/7336TGKLZb8

  On 11/22/2016 at 4:00 PM, mcbpete said:

Holy shit you're right e.g. L.Heard being the composer of that Mystery of Love track that was sampled throughout Fade

 

isnt that pretty standard when sampling others? you look at the credits for pretty much any recent mainstream rap album it's a ton of people in there. kendrick had to credit MJ as a writer on a track just cause he says "Annie are you ok" twice on it, not even using the smooth criminal melody

I have to admit, I like this album. pretty trippy.

  On 11/22/2016 at 3:58 PM, colunga said:

 

  On 11/22/2016 at 2:27 AM, mcbpete said:

Jeez, just looked at one of the tracks on that album on discogs to see who's behind it:

 

Fade

Co-producer – Anthony Kilhoffer, Benji B, Mike Dean, Ryan "Charlie Handsome" Vojtesak*

Featuring, Vocals – Post Malone, Ty Dolla $ign*

Producer – Kanye West

Written-By – A. Post*, C. Grant*, E. Holland Jr.*, K. West*, L. Heard*, N. Whitfield*, Rapture Stewart, R. Owens*, R. Wilson*, T. Griffin*

 

Blimey, is that enough people ?! Especially as the track just uses this throughout and yet somehow makes it 10 times worse

 

 

One thing I've heard (specifically from Jack Donoghue of Salem) is that Kanye is very nice about crediting anyone who worked on a song with him even if a skeletal portion of their idea remains in the final song.

 

that's nice. I have now expect to see the pizza delivery guy and studio overnight janitor in future credits

he didnt credit afx for avril 14 lol

  On 11/22/2016 at 5:33 PM, Nebraska said:

https://youtu.be/7336TGKLZb8

lol

  On 11/22/2016 at 5:33 PM, Nebraska said:

https://youtu.be/7336TGKLZb8

lolush