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  On 8/28/2016 at 12:15 AM, WNS000 said:

Here is one of my posts that explains my position a bit:

 

http://forum.watmm.com/topic/90261-eu/?p=2467508

 

Don't take it too seriously as it is clearly a very complicated topic. I am constantly re-evaluating my views on this.

 

Anyway, atm I am strongly against "integrating" people from cultures that are incompatible with European liberalism and democracy (mostly third-world Muslims as shown in the respected world-wide PEW research study). My stance on multiculturalism and integration of incompatible cultures is that it does not work and cannot work. The only thing that could work with such significantly different cultures is total assimilation which is not humanely and legally possible (although I suggest it in the linked post above because it is still the most practical and humane theoretical solution). As one European Muslim said, "The whole concept of multiculturalism isn't based on tolerance but indifference" which is spot-on in my opinion. It is just a matter of quantity before cultural clashes occurs. Then it usually takes a strict autocratic leader (Assad, Hussein, Gaddafi, Tito) or a civil war to solve them. No thanks.

 

  On 8/27/2016 at 10:12 PM, darreichungsform said:

 

Climate change caused by industrial nations which affects agriculture in poor countries must be reduced.

 

A controversial point.

 

As far as I can see you are close to taking up a position social scientists and social philosophers would classify as neo-racist or culturalist.  Balibar is talking of neo-racism as a racism having as its dominant theme not biological heredity “but the insurmountability of cultural differences, a racism which, at first sight, does not postulate the superiority of certain groups or peoples in relation to others but ‘only’ the harmfulness of abolishing frontiers, the incompatibility of lifestyles and traditions”.  Here is an interesting and short essay on this topic: http://thoughtleader.co.za/jacobarnardnaude/2011/12/15/racism-without-races/

 

On human induced climate change and its questionableness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_conspiracy_theory

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  On 8/28/2016 at 12:47 AM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 8/28/2016 at 12:26 AM, eugene said:

are the majority europeans compatible with european liberalism? looks like right wing and conservative parties still hover around 50% popular support .

 

The majority of Europeans is still definitely more compatible with European liberalism than a random third-world Muslim believing in Sharia.

 

 

 

is it within your grasp to conceive that "a random third-world Muslim believing in Sharia", with associated pejorative labels, or lets just say someone with a non-European cultural heritage & take the emotive derogatory bs out, can assimilate/integrate?

 

its ok, dig in your heels, this shrubbery isnt going to vape itself

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For me, racism is about race and it ends there. Anything else is to me just an attempt to devaluate someone's controversial opinions. Racism is about race. I am not a racist. Period. Balibar seems to have a problem with respecting already defined meanings of words. I guess he can create his own dictionary but I am sticking to the original definitions. I mean WTF...

 

"Culturalist" seems like a more fitting definition.

 

I should also clarify that I am not considering all different cultures incompatible with other cultures. For example the Vietnamese community in Europe is integrated (almost assimilated) perfectly. Because they have no strict religious ideologies and don't protect their cultural heritage too much. They are very materialistic and that causes no problems. Roma culture, while somewhat problematic in the European context, is at least not dangerous in an ideological sense (they really have no ambitions whatsoever to dominate the world and they love freedom) so again not a big deal. Some other cultures though (mainly and most prominently Muslims) are very protective about their identity and that causes problems. They seem to do their best to not integrate too much and to prevent assimilation. The recent Turkish demonstrations in Germany and Erdogan's words against assimilation are clear examples of protective parallel societies within Europe.

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  On 8/28/2016 at 2:00 AM, cwmbrancity said:

 

  On 8/28/2016 at 12:47 AM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 8/28/2016 at 12:26 AM, eugene said:

are the majority europeans compatible with european liberalism? looks like right wing and conservative parties still hover around 50% popular support .

 

The majority of Europeans is still definitely more compatible with European liberalism than a random third-world Muslim believing in Sharia.

 

 

 

is it within your grasp to conceive that "a random third-world Muslim believing in Sharia", with associated pejorative labels, or lets just say someone with a non-European cultural heritage & take the emotive derogatory bs out, can assimilate/integrate?

 

its ok, dig in your heels, this shrubbery isnt going to vape itself

 

 

Muslims with their traditionalistic, protective, religious, family culture, mostly, cannot and will not be able for many generations to come. Too many sophisticated ideological gridlocks in their thinking and they are very strongly represented in the world. No dramatic changes any time soon. Arab Spring had nothing to do with the rights of women, LGBT and liberalism of 21st century. Europe simply cannot wait for them. The cultural tensions are raising disproportionally quicker than Muslims' ideas of their specific version of human rights. They are too slow and deep in shit. They have no church and are strictly prohibited to modify and reinterpret their religious foundations. Many of their traditions (region-dependent) are barbaric and still strongly imprinted in their heritage.

 

Any other culture having no strong religious and traditionalistic background is of course capable of integrating and sometimes assimilating within different cultures. And those that does not integrate or assimilate well have often such unimportant traditions anyway that there is no opportunity for serious cultural clashing. I mean, we are not discussing different cuisines and music...

 

Muslims are a special case. Let's finally admit that.

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afaik i usually place all my cum drops on scientifically sterilized glass slides which are carefully frozen and placed in trash cans throughout the city labelled "for women ❤️ alco" with my social security and phone numbers.

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  On 8/28/2016 at 2:24 AM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 8/28/2016 at 2:00 AM, cwmbrancity said:

 

  On 8/28/2016 at 12:47 AM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 8/28/2016 at 12:26 AM, eugene said:

are the majority europeans compatible with european liberalism? looks like right wing and conservative parties still hover around 50% popular support .

 

The majority of Europeans is still definitely more compatible with European liberalism than a random third-world Muslim believing in Sharia.

 

 

 

is it within your grasp to conceive that "a random third-world Muslim believing in Sharia", with associated pejorative labels, or lets just say someone with a non-European cultural heritage & take the emotive derogatory bs out, can assimilate/integrate?

 

its ok, dig in your heels, this shrubbery isnt going to vape itself

 

 

Muslims with their traditionalistic, protective, religious, family culture, mostly, cannot and will not be able for many generations to come. Too many sophisticated ideological gridlocks in their thinking and they are very strongly represented in the world. No dramatic changes any time soon. Arab Spring had nothing to do with the rights of women, LGBT and liberalism of 21st century. Europe simply cannot wait for them. The cultural tensions are raising disproportionally quicker than Muslims' ideas of their specific version of human rights. They are too slow and deep in shit. They have no church and are strictly prohibited to modify and reinterpret their religious foundations. Many of their traditions (region-dependent) are barbaric and still strongly imprinted in their heritage.

 

Any other culture having no strong religious and traditionalistic background is of course capable of integrating and sometimes assimilating within different cultures. And those that does not integrate or assimilate well have often such unimportant traditions anyway that there is no opportunity for serious cultural clashing. I mean, we are not discussing different cuisines and music...

 

Muslims are a special case. Let's finally admit that.

 

 

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I had to make my own musselman curry today to get a decent one. Can they please hurry up the invasion so I can get proper food without having to cook it myself?

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"You could always do a Thoreau and walden your ass into a forest." - chenGOD

 

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WSN, you might just be the son of Chunky yet

 

have you ever been to an Islamic country?

 

have you ever been inside a mosque?

 

are you aware of the more negative legacies of Western/European colonialism across vast swathes of the world, where hegemony means you set the govt & agenda?

 

are you aware this has often provided less that satisfactory outcomes for the impinged nation/region/denomination?

 

are you aware of a humanitarian crisis across Syria, Iraq & Afghanistan, compounded by Western & Russian complacency, incompetence & aggression?

 

would you fancy taking on IS personally?

 

just some thoughts to proffer

 

& i'd add that a host of multicultural successes can be found in just about every major city in the world today

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  On 8/28/2016 at 8:56 PM, mokz said:

I had to make my own musselman curry today to get a decent one. Can they please hurry up the invasion so I can get proper food without having to cook it myself?

 

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  On 8/28/2016 at 8:58 PM, doublename said:

lol

 

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  On 8/29/2016 at 12:46 AM, cwmbrancity said:

WSN, you might just be the son of Chunky yet

 

1) have you ever been to an Islamic country?

 

2) have you ever been inside a mosque?

 

3) are you aware of the more negative legacies of Western/European colonialism across vast swathes of the world, where hegemony means you set the govt & agenda?

 

4) are you aware this has often provided less that satisfactory outcomes for the impinged nation/region/denomination?

 

5) are you aware of a humanitarian crisis across Syria, Iraq & Afghanistan, compounded by Western & Russian complacency, incompetence & aggression?

 

6) would you fancy taking on IS personally?

 

7) & i'd add that a host of multicultural successes can be found in just about every major city in the world today

 

  1. No.
  2. Yes.
  3. Yes.
  4. Yes.
  5. Of course (have you read this post of mine? What do you think about it?).
  6. You mean like to go fighting against them? It really depends on specific circumstances but I would most certainly be scared to death. But if they killed my loved ones (god forbid)... Hard to say really.
  7. Absolute and utter bullshit completely out of the Muslim context we are discussing here. It is like when hipster university people theorise in a café in a western capital city about ghettos and integration. Totally away from reality. I will again quote this: "The whole concept of multiculturalism isn't based on tolerance but indifference". Ask your Muslim friends about their honest stance on women's right, LGBT, liberalism, democracy, western sexuality, Muhammad's barbaric actions, Sharia or even western music (seriously, if you got Muslim friends ask them about all of these topics and report back). As I said before, it is just a matter of quantity before cultural clashes occurs. A time bomb. What now looks successful and peaceful will be a different story in the future. As I said before, Muslims are too slow with their reformations and severely lack in secular education. I don't really care if, let's say, London looks peaceful and tolerant to you when you see a couple of rich, educated Muslims minding their own business in a good neighbourhood. I know the data and I know little bit about psychology and that is all I really care about. Ask Muslims, read the PEW research.

 

To be frank, I would even go that far and say that the most relevant people for this discussion are those who have some knowledge in psychiatry, psychology, neurology and genetics and are pragmatic and cold as ice. Those should have the main word when it comes to solving the immigration crisis and multiculturalism issues.

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Didn't you say that Muslims weren't allowed to have any variation in their religion?

The Pew data shows some significant variation in Muslim attitudes and beliefs, including how they interpret religion.

And for someone who loves being all analytical, your not very willing to look at the percentage of population Muslims make up in Europe, and that's assuming all the refugees end up staying, which I'd guess they probably won't.

So if I ask one Muslim friend, or show you evidence of Muslims accepting things like LGBT rights, or women's rights, and the things you listed, what would your response be?

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Shout outs to the saracens, musulmen and celestials.

 

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  On 8/29/2016 at 2:23 AM, WNS000 said:

 

To be frank, I would even go that far and say that the most relevant people for this discussion are those who have some knowledge in psychiatry, psychology, neurology and genetics and are pragmatic and cold as ice. Those should have the main word when it comes to solving the immigration crisis and multiculturalism issues.

 

 

I agree that knowledge is crucial and should be a theoretical basis for decisions. But being "cold as ice" is not a good thing, empathy is as important as analytical thinking for making good decisions in my opinion

 

  On 8/29/2016 at 2:29 AM, chenGOD said:

Didn't you say that Muslims weren't allowed to have any variation in their religion?

The Pew data shows some significant variation in Muslim attitudes and beliefs, including how they interpret religion.

 

Exactly, there are roughly 1,6 billion muslims in the world. Saying all these people are "incompatible" to "liberal Eurpoean societies" is very undifferentiated

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  On 8/29/2016 at 2:29 AM, chenGOD said:
  1. Didn't you say that Muslims weren't allowed to have any variation in their religion?
  2. The Pew data shows some significant variation in Muslim attitudes and beliefs, including how they interpret religion.
  3. And for someone who loves being all analytical, your not very willing to look at the percentage of population Muslims make up in Europe, and that's assuming all the refugees end up staying, which I'd guess they probably won't.
  4. So if I ask one Muslim friend, or show you evidence of Muslims accepting things like LGBT rights, or women's rights, and the things you listed, what would your response be?

 

  1. Yes. Of course there can be exceptions but I am interested in the majority (average Sunnis) and their leaders. If there are "bad Muslims" being liberal then that's great and I hope they will become more prominent soon (not happening but one can dream). I have never said Muslims cannot change as people. You don't have to reform a religion if you don't give a fuck about religion in the first place. Agnosticism, pure spiritualism or atheism are perfectly valid alternatives to a stupid organized religion plague bullshit.
  2. The PEW data shows that majority of Muslims believes in and wants Sharia law. Overwhelming majority of Muslims believes homosexuality is immoral (which isn't a very nice in combination with Sharia law). Also:
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    In 10 of 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land also favor stoning unfaithful spouses.

    That is quite a significant number if you ask me and it clearly shows that a huge number of their population has a long way to go.

  3. You should look at data about Muslim fertility and the policy of family reunification.

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    Islam is the fastest-growing religion in Europe. According to the Pew Research Center, the Muslim population in Europe (excluding Turkey) was about 30 million in 1990, 44 million in 2010 and is expected to increase to 58 million by 2030; the Muslim share of the population increased from 4.1% in 1990 to 6% in 2010 and will continue to increase over the next 40 years, reaching 10% in 2050. There were approximately 19 million Muslims in the European Union in 2010 or about (3.8%).

    But if you don't care about the future I get your point. Also, it is a wrong assumption that Muslim population must be at least 50% (or any other significant number) in Europe before problems occurs. How many Nazis were in Germany around the WW2?

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    Before Hitler seized power (in 1933) only 850,000 out of 66 million Germans were card-carrying Nazis. After the Nazi seizure of power, there was a big surge in membership. At its peak, Party membership reached 8 million out of 80 million Germans in 'Greater Germany' or about ten percent of the population.

    Which is an example of how easily can be masses manipulated and how fast can a movement gain support and power and also how an active, ideologically strong minority can completely dominate a passive, quiet majority. If the world population consisted only of secular, liberal, pacifist intellectuals I wouldn't probably care about immigration and multiculturalism at all. You also have to consider an average European citizens and their psychology, needs and fears. Intellectual talks are interesting and fun but does not really have a significant impact on majority of average people. It does not take that many people to start a long-lasting civil war (look at Ukraine) and begin the snowball effect. What I mean is that the risk are not only Muslims - the risk are also the Europeans running out of patience. Masses and their behaviour. The whole time my argument is based on my fear of instability and atrocities in Europe. I simply don't want anyone to suffer. No Europeans, no Muslims. See my post.

  4. My response would be "That is great! Hopefully they will soon be a vocal majority! But I shouldn't be dreaming that much!" You also should take into account what would they say in their Muslim communities were they asked the same questions...

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  On 8/29/2016 at 2:58 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 8/29/2016 at 2:23 AM, WNS000 said:

 

To be frank, I would even go that far and say that the most relevant people for this discussion are those who have some knowledge in psychiatry, psychology, neurology and genetics and are pragmatic and cold as ice. Those should have the main word when it comes to solving the immigration crisis and multiculturalism issues.

 

 

I agree that knowledge is crucial and should be a theoretical basis for decisions. But being "cold as ice" is not a good thing, empathy is as important as analytical thinking for making good decisions in my opinion

 

It was a bit of an deliberate overstatement from me as I am a very emotional and empathetic person (and I have clearly stated my intentions in the post of mine I have mentioned many times now). But when it comes to survival and suffering there should be more pragmatism and rationalism than emotions IMO. I mean the whole issue is a bit of "sophie's choice" if you know what I mean.

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  On 8/29/2016 at 12:46 AM, cwmbrancity said:

WSN, you might just be the son of Chunky yet

 

have you ever been to an Islamic country?

 

have you ever been inside a mosque?

 

are you aware of the more negative legacies of Western/European colonialism across vast swathes of the world, where hegemony means you set the govt & agenda?

 

are you aware this has often provided less that satisfactory outcomes for the impinged nation/region/denomination?

 

are you aware of a humanitarian crisis across Syria, Iraq & Afghanistan, compounded by Western & Russian complacency, incompetence & aggression?

 

would you fancy taking on IS personally?

 

just some thoughts to proffer

 

& i'd add that a host of multicultural successes can be found in just about every major city in the world today

I don't necessarily with agree with....CW2000....who the fuck is that?

Anyway, so I'm not defending his points

 

But it seems we're dealing with an empirical question

(Can cultures be incompatible with each other?)

And that question is certainly not as self-evidently false as your dismissiveness seems to suggest

Why is that an impossibility?

Why do people have political positions regarding empirical questions?

It's insanity

Why, just because you are pro-multiculturalism, do you then assume we live in a world where "of course every culture can happily integrate regardless of their views on human rights etc"

 

Btw, how many Muslim countries could an LGBT person safely go to without drastically raising their existential risk?

How many Islamic countries can you go to and blaspheme without being killed?

I don't know if you've seen any of the polling, but it's not encouraging

 

 

Now, that's a separate question to whether Muslims should be allowed to live in Europe or the U.S. (Barring theocrats and fascists, of course) and of course the answer is yes

In a sense, Islam isn't even a relevant factor

It's merely people who want to live in a peaceful open liberal democracy

Vs those who don't

And assuming, miraculously, that those two groups can somehow happily co-exist

Is suicidal madness

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It's not so much about culture than about indivuduals. Sure, culture does have an impact on society and the individuals that belong to this society, but there are more important psychological factors. A sadist narcisstic asshole living in a society with Islamic culture as its greatest influence will of course use Islam to legitimate their sadist narcistic asshole behavoir. An open-minded empatic person will be able to adapt and integrate into new environments, no matter if they come from a culture that's said to be exeptionally traditionalist.

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I mean yes people can adapt

But your culture/individuals distinction...

Culture is not like a room that you can simply walk out of

And then walk into another room

Culture is most everything you know

Your beliefs, your values, everything you learned as a child

Your non-genetic behavioral habits

The way you think sexuality should be expressed (or shouldn't)

All the presumptions about what is "obvious"

Like whether women should be able to drive

Now, there is variance within a culture

But to be sure, people are their culture

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  On 8/29/2016 at 6:04 AM, LimpyLoo said:

But to be sure, people are their culture

 

islam isn't a culture

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  On 8/29/2016 at 6:04 AM, LimpyLoo said:

I mean yes people can adapt

But your culture/individuals distinction...

Culture is not like a room that you can simply walk out of

And then walk into another room

Culture is most everything you know

Your beliefs, your values, everything you learned as a child

Your non-genetic behavioral habits

The way you think sexuality should be expressed (or shouldn't)

All the presumptions about what is "obvious"

Like whether women should be able to drive

Now, there is variance within a culture

But to be sure, people are their culture

That's socialization and it differs quite a lot from family to family, person to person. It's not that all people that belong to the same culture necessarily share more or less the same mindset, no, there are many ways of socialization. Of course there is some kind of consensus about how to behave that has to be shared within a community in order to maintain peace. But that's just the surface, people are not necessarily all accordant with the social agreements their parents made that surround them. They have their own minds. An important factor for this might be education. In poor countries, many people suffer from low education and are therefore more religious and traditionalist. I think more than cultural affiliation it's poverty and affliction coupled with and resulting in traditionalism that support closemindedness and violence 

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Socialization is culture...what else could it be?

Your parents are an embodied expression of your culture (or more precisely, their culture)

They are probably the most explicit way culture imprints on you

 

Culture isn't merely paintings hanging on walls and clothing trends

Culture is shared symbols, ways our biological drives manifest in the world, the presumptions hidden in our language (and thus the conceptual framework within which we think and act)

Culture is pretty much everything except genes and whatever was already here before humans came along

 

"People are not necessarily all accordant with the social agreements their parents made that surround them"

 

Yes, culture evolves generation by generation

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  On 8/29/2016 at 3:17 AM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 8/29/2016 at 2:29 AM, chenGOD said:
  1. Didn't you say that Muslims weren't allowed to have any variation in their religion?
  2. The Pew data shows some significant variation in Muslim attitudes and beliefs, including how they interpret religion.
  3. And for someone who loves being all analytical, your not very willing to look at the percentage of population Muslims make up in Europe, and that's assuming all the refugees end up staying, which I'd guess they probably won't.
  4. So if I ask one Muslim friend, or show you evidence of Muslims accepting things like LGBT rights, or women's rights, and the things you listed, what would your response be?

 

  1. Yes. Of course there can be exceptions but I am interested in the majority (average Sunnis) and their leaders. If there are "bad Muslims" being liberal then that's great and I hope they will become more prominent soon (not happening but one can dream). I have never said Muslims cannot change as people. You don't have to reform a religion if you don't give a fuck about religion in the first place. Agnosticism, pure spiritualism or atheism are perfectly valid alternatives to a stupid organized religion plague bullshit.
  2. The PEW data shows that majority of Muslims believes in and wants Sharia law. Overwhelming majority of Muslims believes homosexuality is immoral (which isn't a very nice in combination with Sharia law). Also:
      Quote

     

    In 10 of 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land also favor stoning unfaithful spouses.

    That is quite a significant number if you ask me and it clearly shows that a huge number of their population has a long way to go.

  3. You should look at data about Muslim fertility and the policy of family reunification.

      Quote

     

    Islam is the fastest-growing religion in Europe. According to the Pew Research Center, the Muslim population in Europe (excluding Turkey) was about 30 million in 1990, 44 million in 2010 and is expected to increase to 58 million by 2030; the Muslim share of the population increased from 4.1% in 1990 to 6% in 2010 and will continue to increase over the next 40 years, reaching 10% in 2050. There were approximately 19 million Muslims in the European Union in 2010 or about (3.8%).

    But if you don't care about the future I get your point. Also, it is a wrong assumption that Muslim population must be at least 50% (or any other significant number) in Europe before problems occurs. How many Nazis were in Germany around the WW2?

      Quote

     

    Before Hitler seized power (in 1933) only 850,000 out of 66 million Germans were card-carrying Nazis. After the Nazi seizure of power, there was a big surge in membership. At its peak, Party membership reached 8 million out of 80 million Germans in 'Greater Germany' or about ten percent of the population.

    Which is an example of how easily can be masses manipulated and how fast can a movement gain support and power and also how an active, ideologically strong minority can completely dominate a passive, quiet majority. If the world population consisted only of secular, liberal, pacifist intellectuals I wouldn't probably care about immigration and multiculturalism at all. You also have to consider an average European citizens and their psychology, needs and fears. Intellectual talks are interesting and fun but does not really have a significant impact on majority of average people. It does not take that many people to start a long-lasting civil war (look at Ukraine) and begin the snowball effect. What I mean is that the risk are not only Muslims - the risk are also the Europeans running out of patience. Masses and their behaviour. The whole time my argument is based on my fear of instability and atrocities in Europe. I simply don't want anyone to suffer. No Europeans, no Muslims. See my post.

  4. My response would be "That is great! Hopefully they will soon be a vocal majority! But I shouldn't be dreaming that much!" You also should take into account what would they say in their Muslim communities were they asked the same questions...

 

 

So you start with a "no true scotsman" and then just descend into your own assumptions, climaxing with a Godwin, and then in post-coitus return to the "no true scotsman".

 

You say over and over again, that your views on this are evolving/changing - but it's always the same tired argument. We all get it - you're a scared man who doesn't think his culture can live up to the influx of less than 1% of the population (in Poland, where you are) to maybe 10%. And that assumes fertility rates stay the same, although Pew research on Muslims who live in the US indicates that while their  fertility rates are slightly higher than the US general population, they are much below that of Muslims who live in less developed countries.

 

I mean it would be great if you and limpy were at least making a new argument - but this has been widely covered by one of the most renowned political scientists, only he wrote about it back in 1993. Here's the article, maybe you guys can come up with some actual decent arguments.

 

 

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백호야~~~항상에 사랑할거예요.나의 아들.

 

Shout outs to the saracens, musulmen and celestials.

 

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is this a fact that Jev is Polish?

no fucking surprise. It's the shittest country in existence.

Pretty sure if I still lived there (thankfully my parents escaped that shithole in ’85), I would be just as racist as Jev (and many, many other Poles). It's not his fault. But also, look at the country. Fucking incompatible imo.

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