Panama Papers

got any evidence for that?

  On 4/12/2016 at 6:49 PM, LimpyLoo said:

my actual points lol

get putin on the phone

  On 4/12/2016 at 6:49 PM, LimpyLoo said:

Alco and Godel love to just show up and contradict anything I say lol

Without ever addressing any of my actual points lol

you have no "actual points." you just say random shit, say you can prove it, don't prove it, and then keep blathering on. it's annoying.

post below this one gets "best answer"

compromise is on the way: random points!

lol

  On 4/12/2016 at 5:59 PM, juiceciuj said:

jesus christ can you guys make your own thread?

 

you're on thin ice m8

Godel, you are the most intellectually dishonest person on this forum

You accusing me of 'generalizing' ("noticing trends IS generalizing" I think we're your actual words) a couple pages back is the most desperate criticism I've ever seem

(Not to mention the "ad hominem" accusation that you didn't seem to want to explain)

Chen seems to be the only reasonable one here

So Godel, please tell me how I'm "generalizing" and "ad hominem-ing"

I'm all ears, m9

How do I mark as "worst answer"

  On 4/12/2016 at 7:23 PM, LimpyLoo said:

Godel, you are the most intellectually dishonest person on this forum

You accusing me of 'generalizing' ("noticing trends IS generalizing" I think we're your actual words) a couple pages back is the most desperate criticism I've ever seem

(Not to mention the "ad hominem" accusation that you didn't seem to want to explain)

Chen seems to be the only reasonable one here

 

So Godel, please tell me how I'm "generalizing" and "ad hominem-ing"

I'm all ears, m9

and chen has proven that you've entirely failed to substantiate your assertions. get real m10

Chen didn't see my two giant posts wherein I defended my thesis

After this was pointed out, he went back and looked at them

Nice try tho, Alco...very honest debate style you got there

P.S. I had no idea Greenwald was so beloved around here

But you guys are right, I'm SURE he is as critical of Russia as he is America

  On 4/12/2016 at 7:30 PM, LimpyLoo said:

Chen didn't see my two giant posts wherein I defended my thesis

After this was pointed out, he went back and looked at them

Nice try tho, Alco...very honest debate style you got there

 

P.S. I had no idea Greenwald was so beloved around here

But you guys are right, I'm SURE he is as critical of Russia as he is America

sorry m11, but you're original assertion was that gg was "pro-putin." you were unable to prove this so now it's become "he's not as critical of russia as he is of america." it's dishonest bs.

My contention is that he has a "pro-Putin" bias

I don't know how he feels about Putin deep in his heart of hearts

But his actions are indeed "pro-Putin"

  On 4/12/2016 at 7:35 PM, LimpyLoo said:

My contention is that he has a "pro-Putin" bias

I don't know how he feels about Putin deep in his heart of hearts

But his actions are indeed "pro-Putin"

no one is arguing about what occurs in gg's "heart of hearts." that's entirely irrelevant to the discussion. but you have failed to demonstrate that he is a putin supporter. it's not that complicated man, wtf?

Did you read my two giant posts, Alco? First one was about GG second was about another journalist

But like I said, I'm happy to systematically analyze their tweets and tally up the pro- and anti-Russia tweets (or articles or statements in interview or whatever)

As well as to compare that with how they discuss American gov't

Just please, tell me what kind of evidence would convince you

and I'll see what I can do

As an appetizer, here is a well-sourced article about GG's pro-Putin bias:

http://www.stopfake.org/en/russian-propaganda-in-american-media/

  On 4/12/2016 at 7:49 PM, LimpyLoo said:

Did you read my two giant posts, Alco? First one was about GG second was about another journalist

But like I said, I'm happy to systematically analyze their tweets and tally up the pro- and anti-Russia tweets (or articles or statements in interview or whatever)

As well as to compare that with how they discuss American gov't

 

Just please, tell me what kind of evidence would convince you

and I'll see what I can do

lol it's super simple, just provide one link to an actual "pro-putin" sentiment from gg, JE and/or his sister. i'm not talking about "maybe this could be read as softer on russia than america" i mean a legit "pro-putin" comment. you can't do this of course, so you're creating this weird "idk what's going on in the heart of hearts" argument. it's sad. you also accused me of reprimanding you for comments you made about JE's sister, which i never made. and then you just proceed as if that accusation was never made. this is a ridiculous thread at this point some one please get me d-lo so we can listen to MBM.

1) here is GG defending RT against accusations of having a pro-Putin bias: https://theintercept.com/2015/03/02/uk-media-regulator-threatens-rt-bias-airing-anti-western-views/

(Imagine if the U.S. Gov't directly funded a news outlet...what would Greenwald say about that? Do you think he'd defend it like he did here?)

2) here is some Classic Greenwaldian Whataboutism: https://theintercept.com/2015/10/29/why-is-sam-charles-hamad-the-daily-beasts-russia-critic-silent-abou

(And oddly the other writers at The Intercept freely criticize Russia...but Greenwald only seems to chime in to white knight for Russia)

fixd yer link: https://theintercept.com/2015/10/29/why-is-sam-charles-hamad-the-daily-beasts-russia-critic-silent-about-so-many-hideous-abuses/

Ooh this looks hopeful: https://theintercept.com/2014/03/04/rt-host-abby-martin-condemns-russian-incursion-crimea-rt/

Oh wait no it's about how America does much worse things and how American journalists are hypocritical...aka Whataboutism aka "yeah but America is worse"

  On 4/12/2016 at 7:30 PM, LimpyLoo said:

Chen didn't see my two giant posts wherein I defended my thesis

After this was pointed out, he went back and looked at them

 

And nothing in those two intercept articles supports your assertion that Greewald has a pro-Russia bias.

How difficult is this to understand: not doing something doesn't mean you support the opposite. Again: because Greenwald doesn't criticize Russia does not mean he has a pro-Putin bias. He is not defending Russian actions.

He is merely pointing out that America does terrible things in the name of its foreign policy/"homeland security".

  On 4/12/2016 at 8:18 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 4/12/2016 at 7:30 PM, LimpyLoo said:

Chen didn't see my two giant posts wherein I defended my thesis

After this was pointed out, he went back and looked at them

And after I looked at them I maintained my stance. Nothing in those articles you posted supports your opinion.

 

And nothing in those two intercept articles supports your assertion that Greewald has a pro-Russia bias.

 

How difficult is this to understand: not doing something doesn't mean you support the opposite. Again: because Greenwald doesn't criticize Russia does not mean he has a pro-Putin bias. He is not defending Russian actions.

He is merely pointing out that America does terrible things in the name of its foreign policy/"homeland security".

 

yeah it's really that simple.

*bbqs with chen*