bendish Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Probably not and that's the main problem. Unless you're a Chinese gov official and it goes against party policy or if it gets around sanctions... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
perunamuusi Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) it's not necessarily illegal to move huge chunks of money into legitimate offshore businesses that serve no purpose other than to avoid paying compulsary taxes in the countries in which the business primarily operates. The sole purpose is to avoid paying tax - hundreds of billions of pounds worth of tax. While not necessarily illegal, many might view this secretive financial practice to be highly unethical. Or absolutely morally wrong especially when compared with the billions of pounds of cuts to public spending and the political culture of shifting the blame for economic crises to the poor, disabled and immigrants. Edited April 7, 2016 by perunamuussi Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WNS000 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 How come it isn't more regulated by laws in various countries? Why is it "only unethical"? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 i roll all my joints with panama papers (apologies if joke has been made already) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide joshuatxuk's signature Hide all signatures Tape Escape! Aural Canyon Wood Between Worlds Tapes [joshuatxuk-is-dead] Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chesney Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 I'm sure i'd be in court in a few months if I rang up HMRC and said "i'm not paying any tax, sorry" It's sad as a small legit business does not get the chance to grow or make any money. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chesney Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Maybe the only way something will be done about the system if everyone refuses to pay their tax. How does this kind of movement start rolling? ha Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 On 4/7/2016 at 4:53 PM, perunamuussi said: it's not necessarily illegal to move huge chunks of money into legitimate offshore businesses that serve no purpose other than to avoid paying compulsary taxes in the countries in which the business primarily operates. The sole purpose is to avoid paying tax - hundreds of billions of pounds worth of tax. While not necessarily illegal, many might view this secretive financial practice to be highly unethical. Or absolutely morally wrong especially when compared with the billions of pounds of cuts to public spending and the political culture of shifting the blame for economic crises to the poor, disabled and immigrants. The sole purpose is not to avoid taxes in each and every instance. Some companies or individuals may have that ulterior motive but it may simply be a case of an entity needing secrecy regarding financial structures, sometimes it's just convenient for multinational assets that otherwise may be subject to double taxation. Lots of grey areas. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juiceciuj Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 On 4/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Jev said: How come it isn't more regulated by laws in various countries? Why is it "only unethical"? the people that write the laws (or pay the people who write the laws) have made it so. it's absolutely intentional best government money can buy Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendish Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) On 4/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Jev said: How come it isn't more regulated by laws in various countries? Why is it "only unethical"? That my friend is the question. Sad world this is. Edited April 7, 2016 by bendish Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 On 4/7/2016 at 6:58 PM, bendish said: On 4/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Jev said: How come it isn't more regulated by laws in various countries? Why is it "only unethical"? That my friend is the question. Sad world this is. For a long time, people simply didn't know unless they were profiting themselves. It only became known widespread around the time of the collapse of '08. Since then, international governments have been talking about better and more unified taxation-rules. But international cooperation is a very slow process. Lots of different interests and potentially huge economic impacts for those smaller countries who provide these kinds of safe tax-havens. And changing law just takes time. But stuff certainly is changing. Example: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-allergan-m-a-pfizer-idUSKCN0X21NV Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 "Educated criminals work within the law" (And write the laws in the first place) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 On 4/7/2016 at 4:27 PM, Jev said: Being a total idiot on business law and economics in general, does being named in the documents necessarily mean that a person was into something illegal? I have read somewhere that not everything in the papers was illegal. Could somebody explain in a very simple manner? From what I've heard so far, estimates are that 60% of the shell corporations named are involved in illegal activities. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Follow WATMM on Twitter: @WATMMOfficial Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Now Cameron admits his dad's company was involved in this stuff, his company didn't pay british tax for 30 years. He terminated the offshore company prior to becoming PM. Wasn't he denouncing this crap as "immoral" the other day? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Sure is fun to see them squirm. Make them squirm more! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide azatoth's signature Hide all signatures last.fm the biggest illusion is yourself Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Somebody call me when they roll out the guillotines, because it's about time Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Silent Member's signature Hide all signatures Some songs I made with my fingers and electronics. In the process of making some more. Hopefully. Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 so just to be clear, this is a documentary about van halen's vacation? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dr lopez's signature Hide all signatures On 11/24/2015 at 12:29 PM, Salvatorin said: I feel there is a baobab tree growing out of my head, its leaves stretch up to the heavens Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimpyLoo Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Well-hung ghost blowjob Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 lol Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 On 4/8/2016 at 4:19 AM, LimpyLoo said: Well-hung ghost blowjob I think I can remember how you've earned your best new member 2012 title. /ambiguities intended Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tec Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 It'll blow over and little will change. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide tec's signature Hide all signatures "They're about guns, lasers, robots with laser guns in space. Monsters from the future. Explosions. Sylvester Stallone doing a backflip on top of a spike while Robocop carries a ghost up a mountain. Bombs and swords and that... IDM is awesome." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 On 4/8/2016 at 10:12 AM, tec said: It'll blow over and little will change. Is this a reference to well-hung ghost blowjob or he Panama papers? If the latter then I agree. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide azatoth's signature Hide all signatures last.fm the biggest illusion is yourself Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublename Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 It amounts to little more the than a bit of egg on the culprit's face. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2434973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caze Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 On 4/7/2016 at 9:36 PM, chim said: Now Cameron admits his dad's company was involved in this stuff, his company didn't pay british tax for 30 years. Why should a company registered in a foreign country, with no operations at all in the UK, pay tax in the UK? Obviously any UK resident people who are employed (or otherwise make money, via dividends or whatever) by said company should be paying UK income tax (and I don't think that's the case here), but aside from that I fail to see the controversy here. Also, what does Cameron's dad's business have to do with Cameron? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2435013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Cameron inherited £300k tax free due to his fathers shady business Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide azatoth's signature Hide all signatures last.fm the biggest illusion is yourself Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90384-panama-papers/page/4/#findComment-2435046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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