The new Aphex's, squarepushers etc

  On 9/23/2016 at 2:39 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 9/22/2016 at 9:52 PM, Kavinsky said:

this question leads to nowhere

 

that road looks like a lovely ride.

 

lol

lol

I think i meant spiritual successor rather than "sound" or stupid things like complex beats.

I think joyrex is right... these were all pioneers, of a certain time.....

BUT 

Who are the next pioneers? ....and of  of what "certain time"?

Its really hard to tell if it'll happen at all....... i mean the braindance thing exploded so organically pre-social media. Its a rubicon moment probably

Just to add to the great music list:

Fourtet

 and the mighty

Sosumu Yokota <RIP>

  On 9/23/2016 at 12:10 PM, DerWaschbar said:

lol

I think part of the problem is that people's perception of quality has to do with objective recording quality, like, "high fidelity", and a lot of the really creative stuff (especially early to mid 90s Aphex with all the clipping) is pretty nonchalant, mediocre, or even piss-poor in that regard. Like I think the Ventolin EP was a pinnacle of Aphex's creativity but it was crunchy, grimy, and not of the best recording quality. But it was LUSH aside from that, maybe even partly because of that.

This is a good essay on the same thing happening with video game art: http://www.dinofarmgames.com/a-pixel-artist-renounces-pixel-art/

I would like to understand better why this is happening, beyond, like, that people on average are just fucking stupid now. That might be true but it's a lazy explanation, it's not the real explanation.

But yeah I think that a lot of creativity involves making shit that is not high fidelity whatsoever - there's a lot more ambiguity and room for interpretation when you're not in stark relief all the time

so the conclusion is : that there is not one new genius like Aphex or Squarepusher at the moment but  lots of great artists who are incredible talented at the same time. does that make sense ?

also Banck mass is pretty unique

  On 9/23/2016 at 3:22 PM, Kavinsky said:

so the conclusion is : that there is not one new genius like Aphex or Squarepusher at the moment but  lots of great artists who are incredible talented at the same time. does that make sense ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats just some of the guys opinion in a forum dedicated to Aphex Twin. imo, theres many genius in electronica that equals aphex twin.

  On 9/23/2016 at 5:39 PM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 9/23/2016 at 3:22 PM, Kavinsky said:

so the conclusion is : that there is not one new genius like Aphex or Squarepusher at the moment but  lots of great artists who are incredible talented at the same time. does that make sense ?

 

thats just some of the guys opinion in a forum dedicated to Aphex Twin. imo, theres many genius in electronica that equals aphex twin.

 

I'd be happy to hear just one. 

  On 9/20/2016 at 9:45 PM, D4M0 said:

 

  On 9/20/2016 at 3:27 PM, Richie Sombrero said:

Really impressed with Rian Treanor so far. He even looks Aphexy.

 

 

wow this is great !

 

meghan treanor - A1 [the death of music]

  On 9/23/2016 at 1:34 PM, phudoshin said:

I think i meant spiritual successor rather than "sound" or stupid things like complex beats.

 

 

I think joyrex is right... these were all pioneers, of a certain time.....

 

BUT 

 

Who are the next pioneers? ....and of  of what "certain time"?

 

Its really hard to tell if it'll happen at all....... i mean the braindance thing exploded so organically pre-social media. Its a rubicon moment probably

 

 

Just to add to the great music list:

 

Fourtet

 

 and the mighty

 

Sosumu Yokota <RIP>

To put braindance in context, you have to go back to what techno was originally. It was four on the floor, real basic shit at the time. Braindance/IDM just took that format and put in a lot more flourishes and decorations, and added a lot more complexity in the compositions. I'm sure industrial music from the 80s had a bit of influence in the overall production method as well as sound design techniques for early producers.

So if you're asking the question of what is next, you'll have to identify a genre that is as equally simple as electronic music was in the early 90s and see what kind of complexities you can throw in.

There was a fair amount of experimentation in the early 2000s with glitch hop. Hip hop right now is as tired as Methuselah, so it could use a lot of the flair that braindance has to offer.

Actress, Arca, Huerco S., Andy Stott, Clark, flying lotus

Given that there's been a huge rise in interest in analogue synths and 70s Berlin School & 80s new age in the last ten years - emerging from the noise scene and now filtered right up to massive selling film and TV scores - I'd say that OPN has had a big influence. Although Emerlds definitely came in before him, his records were toro ably the most successful. Eccojams almost single-handedly created vaporwave. And since his first three albums he's radically altered his sound on each release, whilst retaining a fanbase and huge critical acclaim. So yeah, I think it's fair to nominate him.

Burial's relatively low release rate means he's harder to compare, and he gets a bit of flack these days because some people are scared to admit that Rival Dealer is a fucking masterpiece, but he definitely broke out of a scene with his own individual sound and has inspired a lot of copycats, so he's fair game again.

I think what's different about the four artists mentioned in the title are their wide ranging influence, in that they're often known by people barely into electronic music, and they're quite often introductions to the scene. There are plenty of great artists mentioned, but very few of them have broken out like that. Burial and OPN are two who definitely have so I think they fit.

It's not clear whether the OP is asking about spiritual successors or electronic music acts you like as much as aphex twin. I feel like it would have been worded differently if he was just asking for good electronic musicians.

  On 9/23/2016 at 6:20 PM, beathaven said:

 

  On 9/23/2016 at 5:39 PM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 9/23/2016 at 3:22 PM, Kavinsky said:

so the conclusion is : that there is not one new genius like Aphex or Squarepusher at the moment but  lots of great artists who are incredible talented at the same time. does that make sense ?

 

thats just some of the guys opinion in a forum dedicated to Aphex Twin. imo, theres many genius in electronica that equals aphex twin.

 

 

I'd be happy to hear just one. 

 

everything is subjective. who id consider genius you might find simply ordinary and while most would agree Aphex twin is very good, not everyone would consider him a genius.

Just one, id say The Orb (especially between 93 to 2005-07).

For my taste, Id add Kettel, Vidna obmana (especially his work from 94 to 2000), Bvdub.

I could then go with Muhr, Plaid, MOM, Troum, Asmus tietchens, Metamatics, Deadbeat, FSOL, BOC, AE, ECT

Jackson and his computer band would actually be my personal new "Aphex" 
sadly he isnt releasing his experimental stuff

https://www.nowness.com/story/jackson-and-his-computerband-light-metal-music
 

  Quote

The color spectrum obtained from diffracted light through a prism is shaped by its reflection on metal and by its projection into moving mist.

 

The sonic translation of matter, motion and color sets the narrative of a metaphysical representation of the fundamental structures of nature.

A very complex task to make something that is mostly boring.

I'll also point out the missing oxford comma.

Doesn't feel like there are any new Aphex's at all. I think its more in stance with what previous posters were talking about with electronic music being oversaturated. Aphex is still leading the pack nearly 30 years later while hooking in a lot of the younger millenials with DrukQs, Analord and Syro. The majority of people still follow in the wake he leaves and leaves musical blueprints for people to pursue (hurr hurr Flashbulb jokes).

It's just way too many people doing it. It has come up with the same problems that photography has: technology has made it a lot more easier to get into and it's never been more easier to start making music and it's has become a discipline that you can buy your way into.. Just witnessing myself how easy it is to jam out something complex sounding in an Octatrack for $2500 within a few hours of using it vs. having to learn tons of techniques and software with hours of searching for third party utilities, cracked software off of sketchy russian download sites and having to skim through a 500 page manual for some clunky synthesizer bought at a flea market with the serials scratched out. There isn't a demand to practice or require concentration anymore; you can transfer your useless gaming skills you've acquired over a decade to an equivalent midi controller, and any technique or tool is readily available with a google query or a youtube video.

There's also a sense of loss with exploration now with new artists (OPN being the exception). Trying to get our machines and computers to make weird sounds and push them beyond the limits that they were designed to do was one of my favourite things about electronic music. It was trying not to sound like everyone on the radio or in pop music. Its just now pop is electronic music and it has become about who sounds the closest like a particular artist, views and pictures of their organs.

The people who should be the new Aphexes are the ones designing their own music software, hardware or working at game studios. 

  On 9/24/2016 at 1:18 AM, Entorwellian said:

Trying to get our machines and computers to make weird sounds and push them beyond the limits that they were designed to do was one of my favourite things about electronic music. It was trying not to sound like everyone on the radio or in pop music.

  On 9/24/2016 at 12:18 AM, Kavinsky said:

Jackson and his computer band would actually be my personal new "Aphex"

sadly he isnt releasing his experimental stuff

 

https://www.nowness.com/story/jackson-and-his-computerband-light-metal-music

 

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  On 9/23/2016 at 7:58 PM, purlieu said:

Given that there's been a huge rise in interest in analogue synths and 70s Berlin School & 80s new age in the last ten years - emerging from the noise scene and now filtered right up to massive selling film and TV scores - I'd say that OPN has had a big influence. Although Emeralds definitely came in before him, his records were toro ably the most successful. Burial and OPN are two who definitely have so I think they fit.

Emeralds are underrated. Fun fact: RDJ played them in his Coachella 2008 set and that track ID eluded many for years.

Vaporwave and chillwave and a lot of other niche genres ultimately came out of cassette label community. Its still overlooked. Keith Rankin and his label Orange Milk is, for me anyway, some of the most unpretentious yet experimental music out there.

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I agree about the OPN and Burial nominations as Aphex parallels, they both have put out some of the most novel and emotiomally stirring music using limited equipment and while not trying to emulate others, follow trends, etc.

As critically heralded as say Arca, Holly Herdon, Tim Hecker, etc are I still find myself listening to artists like 1991 far more because its so jarring and different and straightforward...and its probably just a kid playing around with tape distortion and timestretching over and over again. Yet somehow its more intriguing and lush to me than these meticulously produced hyper conceptualized albums with massive tastemaker site endorsements.

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EOD 100% for replacement Aphex. 

  On 9/23/2016 at 2:44 PM, BCM said:

 

  On 9/23/2016 at 12:10 PM, DerWaschbar said:

lol

 

lol

  On 9/20/2016 at 9:35 PM, ganus said:

From a rephlexy torch-carrying IDM elitist perspective:

 

gen 00 (88-92): B12, LFO, Stakker, Balil, etc.

 

1st gen (early and mid 90s): Aphex, Squarepusher, Goon, Jega, Mu-ziq, Vibert, Cylob...

 

2nd gen (late 90s, early 2000s): Bogdan Raczynski, Ceephax, Venetian Snares, Aleksi Perala, Bochum Welt, DMX Krew, Leila, D'Arcangelo...

 

3rd gen (mid and late 2000s): EOD, Wisp, Space Dimension Controller, Automatic Tasty, Jodey Kendrick, Kettel...

 

Current gen (2010s): Monolith, Trackermatte, 4rd, Heorge Garrison, Beatwife, pilotredsun, Owen Gilbride, Skytree, Beathaven, Zephyr Nova...

 

And I know I am missing lots of good WATMM 3rd and 4th gen folks but whatever (th'idiot, fah, impakt, braintree, fluorescent grey, bendish, modey, face culler, fxbip, kristopher j bernard, splitradix, antape, perezvon, etc.)

 

BUT broadening out from that, I generally agree with others, OPN is a good equivalent, Actress definitely has their own thing...

 

And when you are bored with IDM, there are other idiosyncratic and genre defining geniuses elsewhere on the ever-expanding music tree: DJ Premier for jazzy hip hop beats, John Tejada for deep techno, Arthur Russel for being weird and singing like a muppet, V/VM for silly noise and nostalgic ambient, Mark McGuire for beautiful guitar ambient, Burial for dusty dubstep, DJ Rashad & DJ Spinn for lush footwork, Terry Riley for microtonal improvisations, Larry Heard for exploratory house, etc. etc.

  On 9/20/2016 at 9:35 PM, ganus said:

From a rephlexy torch-carrying IDM elitist perspective:

 

gen 00 (88-92): B12, LFO, Stakker, Balil, etc.

 

1st gen (early and mid 90s): Aphex, Squarepusher, Goon, Jega, Mu-ziq, Vibert, Cylob...

 

2nd gen (late 90s, early 2000s): Bogdan Raczynski, Ceephax, Venetian Snares, Aleksi Perala, Bochum Welt, DMX Krew, Leila, D'Arcangelo...

 

3rd gen (mid and late 2000s): EOD, Wisp, Space Dimension Controller, Automatic Tasty, Jodey Kendrick, Kettel...

 

Current gen (2010s): Monolith, Trackermatte, 4rd, Heorge Garrison, Beatwife, pilotredsun, Owen Gilbride, Skytree, Beathaven, Zephyr Nova...

 

And I know I am missing lots of good WATMM 3rd and 4th gen folks but whatever (th'idiot, fah, impakt, braintree, fluorescent grey, bendish, modey, face culler, fxbip, kristopher j bernard, splitradix, antape, perezvon, etc.)

 

BUT broadening out from that, I generally agree with others, OPN is a good equivalent, Actress definitely has their own thing...

 

And when you are bored with IDM, there are other idiosyncratic and genre defining geniuses elsewhere on the ever-expanding music tree: DJ Premier for jazzy hip hop beats, John Tejada for deep techno, Arthur Russel for being weird and singing like a muppet, V/VM for silly noise and nostalgic ambient, Mark McGuire for beautiful guitar ambient, Burial for dusty dubstep, DJ Rashad & DJ Spinn for lush footwork, Terry Riley for microtonal improvisations, Larry Heard for exploratory house, etc. etc.

Great post, but surprised you didn't add Steinvord. Too bad he only released one record. Considering those tracks were released in 2008 in myspace I wonder if it would be 3rd generation or current. And what about that Plusten guy? or was that JK too?