AI - The artificial intelligence thread

  On 12/31/2024 at 11:57 AM, o00o said:

Still the 200 tier of the chatbot doesn’t know what default custom fonts are available on the Apple Books app neither does 4o with access to internet as I just had to find out

Sounds like an utter waste of money and time. 

  On 12/31/2024 at 11:42 AM, chenGOD said:

The pursuit of AI is nothing more than an obvious grift:

https://braddelong.substack.com/p/we-once-again-need-to-raise-more

 

 

  On 12/31/2024 at 11:57 AM, o00o said:

Still the 200 tier of the chatbot doesn’t know what default custom fonts are available on the Apple Books app neither does 4o with access to internet as I just had to find out

wake up Gary, she’s not real!!

  On 12/31/2024 at 6:39 PM, ignatius said:

 

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Although I do agree on large parts with the criticisms in this video, I disagree with its premise that AI is just another form of “big data” hype.
Yes, the business side of Silicon Valley has a mix of hype and bs to it. But no, AI is not just another “big data” thing. Because, science.

For one, this argument simply ignores the scientific progress in this field. Which there is. And whatever you think of science in general , for all it’s imperfections, it is not the same as “venture capitalism “. AI research existed long before chatGPT, or Big Data. And whatever Silicon Valley wants to throw its money at it will still exist after. 
The second part of the argument is what the science is about. It’s not just about big data. It’s, for one thing, about finding out ways to create “intelligence”. Perhaps cognition is a better word. (Ignore the “we don’t know what intelligence is”-dilemma for a sec)

The next video illustrates this. It describes ways AI research is currently working on going beyond the capabilities of LLM’s. Or in other words: yes, the current stochastic parrots (LLM’s) have their limitations. But if we build structures on top of that  - similar to how brains have multiple layers, if you will - we can go beyond those limitations. And despite there being commercial interest in doing so, there’s also a scientific interest in doing so.

All the commercial stuff is a giant red herring, as far as I’m concerned. I’m not saying it isn’t there. But if you write off the progress in AI as just another “big data”, you haven’t got a good picture of what is going on. The nobel prize for physics going to AI researchers this year wasn’t just a joke. There’s some real progress being made.

I got a sweet little romantic postcard by a friend I've been seeing the past few months. It had a poem in it which was kind of wholesome until I realized she wrote it with chatGPT  what the fuck fellas this is not okay

  On 1/2/2025 at 8:01 AM, Satans Little Helper said:

Although I do agree on large parts with the criticisms in this video, I disagree with its premise that AI is just another form of “big data” hype.
Yes, the business side of Silicon Valley has a mix of hype and bs to it. But no, AI is not just another “big data” thing. Because, science.

 

true.. i do think both those threads are happening at same time though.. the endless hype train of Ai internet bullshit for really.. no reason other than profits and venture capital for wack internet based tech/social media etc.. but also real research in the field of Ai.. science. 

  On 1/2/2025 at 3:53 PM, chronical said:

I got a sweet little romantic postcard by a friend I've been seeing the past few months. It had a poem in it which was kind of wholesome until I realized she wrote it with chatGPT  what the fuck fellas this is not okay

This will become the "typed & printed (can't be arsed) vs handwritten (really cares) letter" of our generation.

Ai managed by Meta..

with Zuck you just always get what you pay for innit.

there’s driving licenses so people don’t hurt themselves or others.

for computer machines? Nah it’s fine.

jfc. no one wants this! i don't want a more "engaging" refrigerator or dishwasher. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2024/03/29/generative-ai-is-coming-to-your-home-appliances/?sh=6f173d1b7640

Yeah I don't want this shit either, but is that because I'm over 40?  Do twenty-somethings want this awful crap in their homes or is this part of the AI bubble hype train, or both?

the concept of a fridge/kitchen keeping track of what's in there, how long it's been in there, is it the correct temperature, does it even need to be refrigerated, oh shit i'm at the store, did my wife already buy _____ yesterday she was supposed to but she's in a meeting at work for the next hour, i don't want to have to come back here in 30 minutes if i get home and it's not there but i'll never use this for anything again before it expires....

yeah. there's good ways this sort of thing could be used. but the delta between dumb everything and truly totally always knowledgable tracking/sorting/always available info is so vast....i don't think AI/ML will be getting there anytime soon? it'd be far too expensive/invasive/in the way to do now. in a few decades maybe things will just work together in these ways to collate and privately/securely keep running tabs of this sort of thing. the shit they're selling now ain't the dream, it ain't even resembling the dream. it's a hand drawn concept of the dream buy a child, it's useless. but how do you get to the dream? idk. is the dream worth striving for? idk.

(to be fair i don't 'dream' of that shit, just saying, if it all worked like that tomorrow? sure it'd be cool. but i'm fine.)

  On 1/5/2025 at 8:51 PM, EdamAnchorman said:

Yeah I don't want this shit either, but is that because I'm over 40?  Do twenty-somethings want this awful crap in their homes or is this part of the AI bubble hype train, or both?

i suspect they won't have a choice. if they even can afford a home. i suspect there will be versions of appliances that are 'dumb' and oldschool. similar to how you can get a phone for an old person that is just for calls and has no smart ability for apps.  

also, this is going to be another layer of subscription somehow.. you activate the Ai by paying $9 a month or something then when you cancel the service your device malfunctions or something. 

i can imagine being really annoyed bya  dishwasher that says "your dishwasher is full.. you should run it.. oh, but you need more soap and not the brand you used last time. the user reviews of that detergent are not favorable. I ordered a different detergent from amazon. a year's supply will be delivered tomorrow at a cost of $300 on your amazon account. i automatically financed the expense for you with buy now pay later options."

  On 1/5/2025 at 9:01 PM, ignatius said:

i suspect they won't have a choice. if they even can afford a home. i suspect there will be versions of appliances that are 'dumb' and oldschool. similar to how you can get a phone for an old person that is just for calls and has no smart ability for apps.  

also, this is going to be another layer of subscription somehow.. you activate the Ai by paying $9 a month or something then when you cancel the service your device malfunctions or something. 

i can imagine being really annoyed bya  dishwasher that says "your dishwasher is full.. you should run it.. oh, but you need more soap and not the brand you used last time. the user reviews of that detergent are not favorable. I ordered a different detergent from amazon. a year's supply will be delivered tomorrow at a cost of $300 on your amazon account. i automatically financed the expense for you with buy now pay later options."

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That makes sense but there's one big difference here that I see.

Most of the tech that has evolved to this point has been useful, and came to the marketplace because there was a genuine need and desire for it.  It was better than what we had and it improved our lives (in our view).

AI might eventually do this at some point, but right now it just seems that every company is trying to jam half-baked "AI" into everything, giving products that are not an improvement over the current ones, I guess in an effort to make more $$ or for fear of being left behind.

Again, maybe I'm just a dinosaur.

guy who worksin Ai buys an Ai doll for his kid. she talks to it a while then turns off the Ai and wants to use her imagination.. dad doesn't understand. lols. 

^^^ how do young kids respond to people who they think are awkward? they avoid them!

AI are like awkward people. (because they're fake) 

  On 1/10/2025 at 2:44 AM, Satans Little Helper said:

^^^ how do young kids respond to people who they think are awkward? they avoid them!

AI are like awkward people. (because they're fake) 

and the Ai is probably waaaaay boring compared to a kid's imagination. 

Probably is partly the uncanny valley as well.  Kids are usually pretty in tune with that kind of stuff.

  On 1/5/2025 at 11:42 PM, EdamAnchorman said:

Most of the tech that has evolved to this point has been useful

even this, is it really true?

basically all the fucking stuff we surround ourselves with can be seen as some stunted attempt to fix some problems caused by some other, earlier iterations of stuff that was also used to solve problems but failed.

every solution creates more challenges, but the complexity seems to increase. Issues become ever more abstract.

like, you can tap on a piece of glass a few times, some “numbers” will go up and down, and you find yourself in a aluminium tube in the air on the way to the other side of the planet if you like, and it’s ridiculously easy. Amazing! But this clearly comes with costs that aren’t immediate and tangible. We still are the same emotionally stupid primates as we were 50000 years ago and everybody dies.

30 years ago, clearly, we did not have enough “online”. Now everyone has a frigging supercomputer in their pocket, we are all networked, you have access to all the information you can imagine and connect to most people on the planet instantly (using chatroulette) - and what did it solve *really*? Seems like all of this backfired massively, as right now the world looks like it could tip over into some barbaric dystopia. It’s almost like we can’t handle our own “progress”.

The complexity that has been created, especially through tech, is just even more of a clusterfuck than before. Tricky to untangle.