2020 US Election

  On 9/21/2024 at 1:15 PM, may be rude said:

it is preposterous to imagine trump, in 2020, while spreading covid, and setting the stage to contest the election based on mail-ins, in his mind wasn't aware that his actions to spread covid served his purpose to set the stage to contest the election. 

It’s “preposterous” to think that someone unable to successfully run his own companies was intentionally mismanaging the covid pandemic in order to win the 2020 election. Which, btw, he lost *because* he mismanaged the covid pandemic. Trump is too chaotic to do stuff like that. He has little or no method. He lives in the moment. Like a mediocre actor who is limited to playing one kind of role.

He is pretty effective in surrounding himself with people who would jump off a cliff for him, though.

/i shouldn’t have made this post. I know. I’m being preposterous ;d

  On 9/27/2024 at 2:38 AM, Satans Little Helper said:

Which, btw, he lost *because* he mismanaged the covid pandemic.

i know. it's like he preferred to contest the election than to win. he would have won if he handled covid well and all he had to do was listen to the experts. 

  On 9/27/2024 at 2:38 AM, Satans Little Helper said:

It’s “preposterous” to think that someone unable to successfully run his own companies was intentionally mismanaging the covid pandemic

i don't find it preposterous. with or without putin. the putin part definitely helps the theory. and there's no reason to imagine the putin part isn't there. he's been doing business with the russian mob for decades. 

  On 9/27/2024 at 2:38 AM, Satans Little Helper said:

Trump is too chaotic to do stuff like that. He has little or no method. He lives in the moment. Like a mediocre actor who is limited to playing one kind of role.

this is true and it's the best counterargument.

still the thousand plus data points i've seen showed me a person steering toward the coup as early as spring 2020. fearing prosecution for high crimes such as abuse of power, alone, is enough to give him the fear. 

don't face palm me guys. i'm right. i invite people to reread from page 305. there are a lot of pieces of the argument i haven't included but i laid out enough to help people see that i'm right. people can do their own research. trump's a demon. the fucker spread covid deliberately because he planned to try a coup. anyone making excuses for him in the face of this stuff i think probably feels a bit sick in their stomach because the theory is right.

brother, please give up this quest you're on. we appreciate all things tin foil hat here, but you are stepping way, way outside the bounds of reality. what happened to you sharing "facts?" this theory of yours is whack. Trump is a shithead, this we agree, but not all comrades are on board with this theory of yours. let's agree to disagree, and move on bro

Correlation is not causation. Your datapoints are cherry picked and show correlation at best.
 

And besides, before he won the 2016 election, he was also complaining about the election being rigged. Was he planning a coup back then as well? With the help of the Russians?

Similar datapoints, right?

Come on. Those datapoints mean little. He’s an opportunist. A tv personality. 

And I have a million datapoints! I win.

  On 9/27/2024 at 3:28 AM, zero said:

brother, please give up this quest you're on. we appreciate all things tin foil hat here, but you are stepping way, way outside the bounds of reality. what happened to you sharing "facts?" this theory of yours is whack. Trump is a shithead, this we agree, but not all comrades are on board with this theory of yours. let's agree to disagree, and move on bro

it's interesting that people are so resistant to accepting it. it is right in front of everyone's eyes.

just read this sentence:

  On 9/21/2024 at 1:15 PM, may be rude said:

it is preposterous to imagine trump, in 2020, while spreading covid, and setting the stage to contest the election based on mail-ins, in his mind wasn't aware that his actions to spread covid served his purpose to set the stage to contest the election. 

please reread from page 305. it's really fucked up. i can't give him a pass. he did it. he knew what he was doing. he was spreading covid and he was setting the stage to contest the election. and he wanted to stoke unrest and use the military under martial law, also in spring 2020, with george floyd protests. it sounds crazy but the dude somehow found the precise path to trying his damnedest to do a coup. the pattern seems weird at first but after a point it's just too predictable. every single time he steered toward a coup. even going so far as to spread covid.

his behavior during covid was alarmingly bizarre to everyone with half a brain and it stayed that way for a prolonged period of time. it was way worse than it needed to be and it was because of him. one study measured how many people died from just one piece of public health advice that he subverted, mask wearing, and it was in the tens of thousands. that's just one thing and it cost 10s of thousands of lives. why'd he do that? because of orange make up? nothing to do with being a sociopath bent on a coup?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7525014/

did you know he handed off no vaccine distribution plan to biden? it was quite strange, there was literally no plan in place, in january 2021, to distribute the vaccine. imagine trump retained power through an emergency scenario because the capitol had to be evacuated and the certification was indefinitely delayed somehow. might come in handy to have unrest as a pretext for emergency control. just like he was eager to play with during george floyd protests, seeking to use the insurrection act in spring of 2020.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-administration-had-no-coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-plan-white-house-idUSKBN29T0FB/

Have you forgotten about the resistance people had to all anti covid policies? That wasn’t because of Trump. That was because of a lot of people being allergic to being told what to do. There might be a marginal number of people blindly following Trump, but the majority would have done the same regardless.

  On 9/27/2024 at 4:13 AM, Satans Little Helper said:

Have you forgotten about the resistance people had to all anti covid policies? That wasn’t because of Trump. That was because of a lot of people being allergic to being told what to do. There might be a marginal number of people blindly following Trump, but the majority would have done the same regardless.

the study has a methodology to identify what amount of deaths trump specifically is responsible for. but hey, let's give him a pass for the 10s of thousands dead that the study found him responsible for, because he subverted mask guidance. let's say he didn't do it to spread covid, he did it because of his bronzer and because he's an idiot.

why'd he slow down testing? testing is visibility into where covid is spreading. it helps stop spreading. it's obvious we needed testing. 

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-ap-top-news-joe-biden-tulsa-476068bd60e9048303b736e9d7fc6572 (june 2020)

there's no reason that makes sense. unless he wanted covid to spread. slowing testing doesn't help the numbers, the numbers would still get worse. that rationale he stated does not add up. and he was able to understand that. 

  On 9/27/2024 at 4:46 AM, may be rude said:

the study has a methodology to identify what amount of deaths trump specifically is responsible for. but hey, let's give him a pass for the 10s of thousands dead that the study found him responsible for, because he subverted mask guidance. he say he didn't do it to spread covid, he did it because of his bronzer and because he's an idiot.

why'd he slow down testing? testing is visibility into where covid is spreading. it helps stop spreading. it's obvious we needed testing. 

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-ap-top-news-joe-biden-tulsa-476068bd60e9048303b736e9d7fc6572 (june 2020)

there's no reason that makes sense. unless he wanted covid to spread. slowing testing doesn't help the numbers, the numbers would still get worse. that rationale he stated does not add up. and he was able to understand that. 

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My suspicion was always that maybe he and his advisors assumed that the fight against covid was similar to fighting a war (chaos) and historically the incumbent president usually has a better chance of reelection during wartime. It’s not like you can really apply logic to DT’s methods but it’s crazy what resonates and what gets results. Luckily, whatever his reasoning, it didn’t result his reelection. Whatever the case , it’s a mystery to me that he still has as much traction as he does. 

  On 9/27/2024 at 2:51 AM, may be rude said:

don't face palm me guys.

I lold

it’s funny to me that one sentence keeps getting repeated. it’s a beautiful sentence

im gonna try to quote it from memory:

it is preposterous to think that Trump, while spreading covid in 2020, while setting the stage for a coup, was not in his mind aware of how spreading Covid helped his plan of doing a coup. 

Gonna post this and then scroll up to see how I did

glad to see very honest has learned not to stick his dick in the mud for some stupid fixated idea or other, after being a terminal Biden stan and it being shown without a shadow of a doubt that it was a better idea to replace him. love watching people grow.

  On 9/27/2024 at 5:51 AM, J3FF3R00 said:

Whatever the case , it’s a mystery to me that he still has as much traction as he does. 

IMO, the majority of his staunch base are any combination of stupid / racist / extremely selfish, and there are a LOT of those in the US.

These people are also bad at and/or ignore logic, so that explains why they've stayed with him.

I don’t think I’ve ever met in person any of these racist or completely stupid Trump supporters who are real vocal about their support, granted I live in a very democratic city. But I wonder how many of those types of voters are really out there? Feel like that kind of thing probably gets amplified on social media, although I do not doubt that there are lots of people like that throughout the US. They probably mostly in Florida and the south.

i do however frequently see and even talk to (some of the older generation in my extended family are like this) people who dislike the democrats and the so called establishment, deep state, foreign policy blob, etc. and they think that Trump poses more of a threat to the establishment than the democrats. I also hear from people who think that he wound be better for the economy and affordability of things here. I usually try and avoid speaking my mind with them because if I spoke freely they would probably look at me like I was osama or something (and they would be wrong, for I am a very reasonable man who believes in democracy).

Anyway I think that they are wrong about Trump, given that he did not really challenge or demonstrably undermine/weaken the uniparty establishment in any meaningful way imo. 

  On 9/27/2024 at 2:24 PM, decibal cooper said:

I don’t think I’ve ever met in person any of these racist or completely stupid Trump supporters who are real vocal about their support, granted I live in a very democratic city. But I wonder how many of those types of voters are really out there? Feel like that kind of thing probably gets amplified on social media, although I do not doubt that there are lots of people like that throughout the US. They probably mostly in Florida and the south.

Go to rural Ohio and attend any county fair.

edit:  where I'm from (NE Ohio) the Canfield Fair is now jokingly referred to as the "Klanfield Fair".

Newsmax settles 2020 election lawsuit with Smartmatic Systems

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trial-begins-over-claims-newsmax-113212638.html

  On 9/27/2024 at 3:09 PM, EdamAnchorman said:

Go to rural Ohio and attend any county fair.

or really any rural area in the US. that's usually where you find "them."

  On 9/27/2024 at 2:24 PM, decibal cooper said:

I don’t think I’ve ever met in person any of these racist or completely stupid Trump supporters who are real vocal about their support, granted I live in a very democratic city. But I wonder how many of those types of voters are really out there? Feel like that kind of thing probably gets amplified on social media, although I do not doubt that there are lots of people like that throughout the US. They probably mostly in Florida and the south.

i do however frequently see and even talk to (some of the older generation in my extended family are like this) people who dislike the democrats and the so called establishment, deep state, foreign policy blob, etc. and they think that Trump poses more of a threat to the establishment than the democrats. I also hear from people who think that he wound be better for the economy and affordability of things here. I usually try and avoid speaking my mind with them because if I spoke freely they would probably look at me like I was osama or something (and they would be wrong, for I am a very reasonable man who believes in democracy).

Anyway I think that they are wrong about Trump, given that he did not really challenge or demonstrably undermine/weaken the uniparty establishment in any meaningful way imo. 

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I live in a major us city that is “liberal” and just yesterday I saw a maga nutjob holding a very large flag out of his driver’s side window at stop lights.

The other day, I drove by this…

 
I see flags on pickups here and there, too. 

  On 9/27/2024 at 12:38 PM, EdamAnchorman said:

IMO, the majority of his staunch base are any combination of stupid / racist / extremely selfish, and there are a LOT of those in the US.

These people are also bad at and/or ignore logic, so that explains why they've stayed with him.

Exactly. Trying to understand it with logic is a losing game because he connects with people on a purely emotional level. 
 

  On 9/27/2024 at 4:58 PM, J3FF3R00 said:

I live in a major us city that is “liberal” and just yesterday I saw a maga nutjob holding a very large flag out of his driver’s side window at stop lights.

The other day, I drove by this…

 
I see flags on pickups here and there, too. 

 

Exactly. Trying to understand it with logic is a losing game because he connects with people on a purely emotional level. 
 

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You miss my point though, which is to challenge that anyone who supports trump is by default a low intelligence racist. Unless it is a confederate flag or other suchlike nonsense I don’t think that having flags or trying to sell them necessarily makes these people subhuman. I do not like either side with these candidates but these people are all Americans and if there is any possibility in the future of both sides left and right of citizens to oppose bad policy then I think this would be a good thing instead of continuing to go down the rabbit hole of partisanship and division, which imo both our own government and foreign adversaries find desirable for different reasons 

  On 9/27/2024 at 4:58 PM, J3FF3R00 said:

Exactly. Trying to understand it with logic is a losing game because he connects with people on a purely emotional level. 
 

  On 9/27/2024 at 5:31 PM, decibal cooper said:

You miss my point though, which is to challenge that anyone who supports trump is by default a low intelligence racist. Unless it is a confederate flag or other suchlike nonsense I don’t think that having flags or trying to sell them necessarily makes these people subhuman. I do not like either side with these candidates but these people are all Americans and if there is any possibility in the future of both sides left and right of citizens to oppose bad policy then I think this would be a good thing instead of continuing to go down the rabbit hole of partisanship and division, which imo both our own government and foreign adversaries find desirable for different reasons 

I never said (let alone thought) these people are “subhuman”. I’ve also never said that they are “low intelligence”. Their priorities are definitely different than mine. 

I do equate the DT/maga flags to confederate flags tho. Same with the thin blue line flags. None are actually American flags. These all fly against fundamental American values like democracy, equality, the rule of law, etc. 

  On 9/28/2024 at 6:12 AM, Nebraska said:

but do they have, or can they afford, his brand new watch?

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113204307304573314

https://gettrumpwatches.com/

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Exactly. 
Chump just wants to whip up people’s emotions so that he can sell hats, ties, watches, crypto, you name it… and so that he can force himself down the throats and eyeholes of as many people as possible. I truly don’t believe these people are of any lesser intelligence. I do believe they may have limited world views and lack judgment/perspective. 
I also generally avoid party affiliation but only one candidate mocks veterans and disabled people, praises racists, promotes violence, spews hate speech, refuses to acknowledge election results, challenges the peaceful transition of power, etc etc etc. These are what I consider to be nonpartisan issues. If you turn a blind eye to these things then what else can I say?

there's just so many idiot platitudes and rivers of hyperbole on all sides when people get interviewed. they think of all kinds of crap to make it a more complicated decision than it actually is. "my vote is important" and i'm not saying it isn't but all this fucking mental gymnastics seems absolutely pointless. and not to say that Bush Vs Gore wasn't very consequential.. and of course.. stolen.. but currently we have people saying things like "i like trump. he's good for the economy. when he was in things were going up and we were doing better but since biden got in things just been going down. trumps better for the economy".  like every ten minutes they're taking their pulse and writing it down in a yellow note pad and they're looking back four years and comparing the numbers. 

"trumps a business man we need someone to run the country like a business" - nevermind that he sucks at business. nevermind that people have said that same stupid fucking thing for my whole life about one thing or another.. and it's just endless bullshit. 

and people say similar stupid shit about democrats... the man on the street interviews.. ugh. people just seem so zoomed in on weird shit and have no systems level view of how shit works and what a president does, what congress does.. how the government works.. how much it's changed since all the big corporate dollars came in etc etc and on and on.  sometimes it's about guns and they're gonna take our guns.. our they're taking our rights.. and i want my rights back.. or something.. sometimes i think "Why do you want your rights back? you're not fucking using them" 

ugh.. fucking elections. there's always so many shitty takes on everything day to day...  someone actually said to me "you can't tell me that anyone cares about the troops more than trump" and wtf are people even talking about? what planet are these idiots on? 

anyway.. the choice seems obvious and that's not to say i'm singing anyone's praises.. just don't think we'll do well w/trump again and it'll just be endless to deal with that for 4 more years of the media going on and on about him and the outright carnival of it all. he's a huge pos and needs to be rolled up in a rug and thrown into a fucking swamp. 

  On 9/28/2024 at 6:26 AM, J3FF3R00 said:

I never said (let alone thought) these people are “subhuman”. I’ve also never said that they are “low intelligence”. Their priorities are definitely different than mine. 

I do equate the DT/maga flags to confederate flags tho. Same with the thin blue line flags. None are actually American flags. These all fly against fundamental American values like democracy, equality, the rule of law, etc.

I would not go so far as to equate those flags, and what I mean is that if someone were to have a confederate flag flying outside of their home, I would assume that they were virulent white nationalists or at least sympathetic to such views. Again, not saying that such people do not exist in our country, but I think it a very small number of people.

Anyway, apologies for putting words in your mouth there re the subhuman word choice.