Israeli-Palestinian conflict

  On 7/30/2024 at 10:38 PM, cern said:

If Erdogan gonna bomb Israel and Israel bombs Turkey.. What then? Turkey is a NATO Country. 
This getting nastier 

the whole world seems to be in complete chaos atm

  On 7/30/2024 at 9:34 PM, decibal cooper said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/30/deep-moral-deterioration-is-being-normalised-in-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

Israeli military raided an IDF base known as Sde Taimon, which this article describes as a 'Gauntanamo-like detention center' and they arrested nine IDF soldiers accused of severe torture and sexual abuse of a Hamas combatant. At this point, 200 Israelis, some of them elected officials there, raided the base in protest (they apparently were protesting that the IDF soldiers were being arrested):

 

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it's so crazy.. they are calling the IDF soldiers who were arrested "heroes" etc and adding some religious overtones to that description. zionists are fucking nuts. blood thirsty psychos in a fever dream that's feeding on itself. 

  On 7/30/2024 at 8:58 PM, ignatius said:

flirting with a wider war...

This is looking even more likely, all out war in middle east, direct confrontation with Israel and Iran.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

The political leader of Hamas, who was apparently their leading negotiator in the cease-fire talks, was killed in an air strike. He was just north of the Iranian capital of Tehran when struck. Iran has vowed to retaliate. I checked out the US white house and state dept press conferences today, and neither spokesperson was even able to confirm that Israel was behind the attack, and for this reason they were unable to voice clear condemnation for the attack. The rest of the world seems convinced, with Russia and China condemning the attack. Commercial airlines have halted all flights to Israel, and state dept has issued a do not travel advisory for US citizens to Lebanon. No comment at all from Biden or Harris.

If u didn't despise Israel before all this then you may well now 

can't negotiate a cease fire if they kill the guy they're negotiating with. wtf. coocoo

  On 8/1/2024 at 5:44 AM, ignatius said:

can't negotiate a cease fire if they kill the guy they're negotiating with. wtf. coocoo

this is what's called a "spoiler attack", and has been used historically by terrorists to derail peace processes.

Friend of my sister in law got "taken in for questioning" at an Israeli checkpoint near Birzeit last week. Not heard from her since

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/middleeast/israeli-minister-smotrich-starve-gazans-intl/index.html

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“It is impossible in today’s global reality to wage war – no one in the world would let us starve and thirst two million citizens, even though it may be just and moral until they return our hostages,” he said, adding that if Israel controlled aid distribution instead of Hamas, the war would have ended by now and the hostages would have returned.

Harris chose Waltz and while not much will change at least she didn't choose Shapiro who would have been terrible for Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Shapiro

Israeli business will be contending with the fallout of the months-long war with the Hamas terror group through at least the end of the year, which is expected to see as many as 60,000 businesses shut down in 2024, according to business information company CofaceBDI. - source

that's had quite the effect of the zionist government's economy even leading to fitch downgrading their credit rating without upsetting their donors.

the reality however is that: Israeli newspapers are full of articles about the exodus of educated Israelis. Prof. Dan Ben David, a famous economist, argued that the Israeli economy is held together by 300,000 people (the senior staff in universities, tech companies, and hospitals). Once a significant portion of these people leaves, he says, “We won’t become a third world country, we just won’t be anymore.”

  On 8/14/2024 at 7:16 PM, Nebraska said:

 

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dank af. 100 points. 

What does this spokesperson think he is achieving other than doing the devil's work? What a flub. How can he sleep at night? Imagine the education dollars that went into his job. And u get this...amazing. 

  On 8/14/2024 at 9:39 PM, Crazing said:

What does this spokesperson think he is achieving other than doing the devil's work?

it's why spokespersons burn out in a year or two...

^ that story fucked me up yesterday, the young father who found his entire family killed as he was coming back with birth certificates for his newborns in hand.

FTGE.

UK diplomat resigns from FCDO, https://aoav.org.uk/2024/senior-british-diplomat-mark-smith-resigns-over-uks-arms-sales-to-israel/

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Smith detailed his growing discomfort with the UK’s arms export practices. In his resignation letter, Smith argued that the government’s claims of maintaining one of the most “robust and transparent” arms export licensing regimes in the world are misleading. He stated that his concerns over potential breaches of international humanitarian law had been dismissed by the department, leaving him with no choice but to step down.

full resignation letter:

The guy who did similar job in US state department, Josh Paul, resigned a few weeks after october 7th, been doing interviews since and had one yesterday again on democracy now

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Old timer here....

Makes me proud coming back to watmm randomly and looking through this thread.

Thanks for remaining one of the greatest message boards to ever exist on the web.

Akkad

  On 8/27/2024 at 8:14 PM, Atop said:

Old timer here....

Makes me proud coming back to watmm randomly and looking through this thread.

Thanks for remaining one of the greatest message boards to ever exist on the web.

 

Akkad

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Remember your renoise tracks man. 

Also is there a conflict going on? First i heard.

But really. If the Israelis end up making me support Iran then they really have fd up. 

at around 6:15 mark she is asked about Israel/Palestine conflict. Offers nothing of substance. Repeats the phrase 'we have to get a deal done' like five times. Says nothing about how exactly to get a deal done, ignoring the part of the question where the interviewer reminded that biden admin has been trying unsuccessfully to get a deal for many months. Confirms that unlimited arms to Israel paid by us taxpayer will continue flowing. When talking about how we 'have to get a deal done' she at one point raises her hand and says 'we were in Doha', as if mentioning the location where unsuccessful ceasefire talks are taking place (Doha, Qatar) is somehow a nuanced policy position

These fuckers would sell their own mothers into slavery if it meant that they could stay in power.

  On 8/31/2024 at 3:48 PM, decibal cooper said:

at around 6:15 mark she is asked about Israel/Palestine conflict. Offers nothing of substance. Repeats the phrase 'we have to get a deal done' like five times. Says nothing about how exactly to get a deal done, ignoring the part of the question where the interviewer reminded that biden admin has been trying unsuccessfully to get a deal for many months. Confirms that unlimited arms to Israel paid by us taxpayer will continue flowing. When talking about how we 'have to get a deal done' she at one point raises her hand and says 'we were in Doha', as if mentioning the location where unsuccessful ceasefire talks are taking place (Doha, Qatar) is somehow a nuanced policy position

These fuckers would sell their own mothers into slavery if it meant that they could stay in power.

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do you expect any politician to spill the beans on any ongoing plan they are negotiating? no one does that.. no politician does that about something like a negotiation between israel and hamas especially. it would be careless. 

^yeah....nuanced, detailed policies are good to want & hope for, but given the complexity of this particular situation i'm not surprised that no one in a high up position is stating anything outright & coming out instead with lots of generalities/vague placation type answers. i think some of Harris' words about the situation probably line her up with wanting to do/say more, but she is in a particularly sensitive position, being privy to a ton of insider info (presumably, at least, as the VP, tho it's possible Biden & his teams don't have her roped in on all of the actual facts), being in the know on the private pushes/failures/etc. of the US & its partners/enemies...one slip up of even a few words letting out some vaguely implied info that the Qatari (just as an example) didn't want stated publicly could lead to huge issues with ongoing/future negotiations. people in the know in active situations rarely speak out, and if they do it's for specific negotiation tactics, not for 'the sake of the public knowledge' (at least the majority of the time). you follow international politics dbcooper, you know this much... you can be outraged as a US citizen, sure, but you also know good and well that this outrage is pointless & Trump/etc. or literally anyone else in those positions of power, in this situation, would be doing the same.

Just started this book and it's very good so far, very well written and researched, elucidating for someone like me who knew almost nothing about the history of the region before this past year.

I read this and damn its fkd beyond belief