Israeli-Palestinian conflict

biden simply cannot stop giving these motherfuckers more money, another 8 billion to israel in his last weeks in office

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/04/biden-arms-deal-israel-8-billion

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The State Department has notified Congress "informally" of an $8 billion proposed arms deal with Israel that will include munitions for fighter jets and attack helicopters as well as artillery shells, two sources with direct knowledge tell Axios.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/08/new-york-times-ad-cancel-gaza-genocide

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The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC), a Quaker organization that advocates for peace, said on Monday the group cancelled a planned advertisement in the New York Times in response to the paper refusing to allow it to refer to Israel’s actions in Gaza as a genocide.

“The refusal of The New York Times to run paid digital ads that call for an end to Israel’s genocide in Gaza is an outrageous attempt to sidestep the truth,” said Joyce Ajlouny, general secretary for the AFSC, in a press release. “Palestinians and allies have been silenced and marginalized in the media for decades as these institutions choose silence over accountability. It is only by challenging this reality that we can hope to forge a path toward a more just and equitable world.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/08/trump-video-crude-reference-netanyahu

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Donald Trump has shared inflammatory video content calling Benjamin Netanyahu a “deep, dark son of a bitch” just weeks after the Israeli leader claimed the two had a “very friendly, warm” discussion about hostage negotiations and Syria policy.

The president-elect posted the clip to Truth Social featuring economist Jeffrey Sachs, who accuses Netanyahu of manipulating US foreign policy and orchestrating “endless wars” in the Middle East.

Cautious optimism that Trump will put some pressure on Israel? Alternatively, Trump also said in a press conference that Hamas must release the hostages or there will be 'hell to pay' - not sure what he can do additionally that Biden either did not do or did not stop the Israelis from doing. Curious to see how this plays out, as there was a lot of reporting today that a real deal is on the table again and that the war could potentially reach a ceasefire.

  On 1/14/2025 at 3:59 AM, decibal cooper said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/08/trump-video-crude-reference-netanyahu

Cautious optimism that Trump will put some pressure on Israel? Alternatively, Trump also said in a press conference that Hamas must release the hostages or there will be 'hell to pay' - not sure what he can do additionally that Biden either did not do or did not stop the Israelis from doing. Curious to see how this plays out, as there was a lot of reporting today that a real deal is on the table again and that the war could potentially reach a ceasefire.

kind of interesting he was even exposed to jeffrey sachs

even though the deal still not made (and could presumably fall apart at any time), it looks like it close to the deal outlined by biden admin many months ago, and that pressure from trump is what is getting it pushed through. Even if it does produce a temporary ceasefire, it seems to me that the situation is still going to be very unstable, especially for palestinians, and that violence could still break out at any moment. Also, it seems like the the page has turned once and for all on the two-state solution, so it difficult to tell what exactly any practical diplomatic and political solution will look like long term.

The pressure from trump seems plausible, especially because the biden admin has insisted for months that israel wanted to do a deal and that hamas was the side who was unwilling to compromise - I assumed that this was not true back then, and the current reporting on the deal shows that it absolutely was not true, that the biden admin just gave israel free reign to continue the war however they wanted to, that they did not care if Israel was going to do collective punishment or war crimes and they were more than happy to provide diplomatic cover for israel at all costs. I also assume that there are probably people that will end up being high level officials in the trump admin that are more on biden's side than on trump's when it comes to this question.

I also have heard stirrings that the trump team also has an envoy to Iran and that trump might be trying to create another deal with that country concerning their nuclear program. I hope this is true, but again, just like with this new ceasefire deal between israel and hamas, there is no way to tell how authentic it is or if it will actually be successful even in the short term.

The devastating impact of 15 months of war on Gaza (guardian)

^ clueless cunts are already like "ceasefire, problem solved! thank you daddy Biden"

Even though it much much smaller in scale compared with holocaust, in the future it probably likely that these people like netanyahu and biden/blinken are going to be in the same conversation as hitler, with people doing thought experiments about whether or not they should have been strangled in their crib as babies to have prevented their fuckery, truly reprehensible and unconscionable people. Would say that I hope netanyahu gets ousted as leader, would also be dope if his own people did him in gaddafi style, but that is probably unlikely, and also in israel there are people in high positions that are even more extreme than him. In some ways, I am told, he is a practical centrist compared with people in Likud that are far to the right of him.

Also nice to see some relief from people over there even if it only temporary:

Edit: deal not even announce for 24 hours and it looks like israel already getting cold feet before implementation on Sunday: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna187914

  On 1/16/2025 at 12:18 PM, decibal cooper said:

Edit: deal not even announce for 24 hours and it looks like israel already getting cold feet before implementation on Sunday: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna187914

meanwhile they haven't stopped attacking the West Bank, Lebanon and anyone else they want... 

  On 1/17/2025 at 12:51 AM, ignatius said:

meanwhile they haven't stopped attacking the West Bank, Lebanon and anyone else they want... 

yeah I been seeing that. This the first time I ever followed the Israel Gaza war and it’s history, and I hear and read a lot that this is Israel’s modus operandi, that when they do a ceasefire, they do not relent with the killing until the very moment it goes into effect. I want to say that it just Likud party and their most virulent supporters, but I think it might be an unpleasant fact that at least 51% and probably more of the entire Israeli society supports the military operations and settling and annexing of land etc.

There has been for a few weeks a ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon, with France and America acting as guarantors, but there has not been a day that has gone by without Israel either firing rounds or dropping bombs, all with US intel and diplomatic support.

  On 1/17/2025 at 1:23 AM, decibal cooper said:

yeah I been seeing that. This the first time I ever followed the Israel Gaza war and it’s history, and I hear and read a lot that this is Israel’s modus operandi, that when they do a ceasefire, they do not relent with the killing until the very moment it goes into effect. I want to say that it just Likud party and their most virulent supporters, but I think it might be an unpleasant fact that at least 51% and probably more of the entire Israeli society supports the military operations and settling and annexing of land etc.

There has been for a few weeks a ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon, with France and America acting as guarantors, but there has not been a day that has gone by without Israel either firing rounds or dropping bombs, all with US intel and diplomatic support.

 

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somewhere i read that biden said he thought it would effect his legacy if he did not keep sending israel arms and supporting them. true zionist to the end. piece of shit. and how fucking self centered to consider his fucking legacy. fckn geezer. biden can fck off. 

secretary of state anthony blinken faces the tough questions on his last press conference

Lol what a fuckin ghoul.

  On 1/17/2025 at 1:00 PM, decibal cooper said:

secretary of state anthony blinken faces the tough questions on his last press conference

 

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good for them. someone needs to do that thing where they speak truth to power. so it goes.

  On 1/17/2025 at 5:07 PM, ignatius said:

good for them. someone needs to do that thing where they speak truth to power. so it goes.

100% - it reminds me of that quote from Upton Sinclair, or maybe it was someone else, they said that it is almost impossible to get someone to notice something wrong when their paycheck depends on them not noticing. The DC press corps no longer has a leg to stand on it seems when it comes to this issue. These two guys were the only ones who confronted the Biden admins policy with courage and outrage, both of which I feel like were warranted given the disastrous policy

god dammit

  On 1/17/2025 at 1:51 AM, ignatius said:

somewhere i read that biden said he thought it would effect his legacy if he did not keep sending israel arms and supporting them. true zionist to the end. piece of shit. and how fucking self centered to consider his fucking legacy. fckn geezer. biden can fck off. 

I still find it hard to believe that democrats really give that much of a shit about Israel, deep down. It was clear that Obama found them bloody annoying on a personal level anyway. It's not like they don't have other allies in the region that they can use - a friendly+strong Israel isn't actually some ultra-critical strategic asset to the US when they also have Saudiland, Jordan and (usually) Turkey on side. And I assume democrats are generally far less swayed by all the biblical bollocks than republicans are. So why do (did) they suck Bibi's circumcised cock so gleefully? Is there Epstein/Mossad kompromat on every single democrat? Have the Israel lobby bought them all yachts? I'm not a yankee doodle, so perhaps I'm just missing some big part of the puzzle

  On 1/22/2025 at 4:01 AM, Walter Ostanek said:

I still find it hard to believe that democrats really give that much of a shit about Israel, deep down. It was clear that Obama found them bloody annoying on a personal level anyway. It's not like they don't have other allies in the region that they can use - a friendly+strong Israel isn't actually some ultra-critical strategic asset to the US when they also have Saudiland, Jordan and (usually) Turkey on side. And I assume democrats are generally far less swayed by all the biblical bollocks than republicans are. So why do (did) they suck Bibi's circumcised cock so gleefully? Is there Epstein/Mossad kompromat on every single democrat? Have the Israel lobby bought them all yachts? I'm not a yankee doodle, so perhaps I'm just missing some big part of the puzzle

yeah.. many presidents have found israel and the zionists to be super annoying and the wrong strategic ally in the region.  but it's a long story. goes back so many decades. the israel lobby is very influential and has many in its pockets. they organize a lot on college campuses and get people canceled for supporting palestine.. they get people fired from jobs or make sure they don't get hired. it's a whole thing. 

if you scroll back through this thread there's a bunch of videos about US relations w/israel throughout the last 75 years. 

but yeah.. some dems are full on zionist supporters. biden has called himself a zionist. it's a weird relationship. 

for starters.. 

there's some jeffrey sachs interviews where he gets into it pretty good at times.. i think i posted some of those inthis thread. probably already posted ^^^^ that video as well but n o one is keeping score.. other than my ridiculous post count

  On 1/22/2025 at 4:01 AM, Walter Ostanek said:

a friendly+strong Israel isn't actually some ultra-critical strategic asset to the US when they also have Saudiland, Jordan and (usually) Turkey on side. And I assume democrats are generally far less swayed by all the biblical bollocks than republicans are. So why do (did) they suck Bibi's circumcised cock so gleefully?

it's the cultural connection and the influence of boomer American Jews being brought to bear on the country's social and political processes, which they have a hand in. Dems are their preferred party. this isn't some lurid anti-semitic conspiracy, we're talking in plain terms about people who fled persecution and programmed the next generation to believe that if Israel isn't defended at all costs then there will be another Holocaust. those are some of the people helping prolong this state of affairs today. millennials and younger who were raised with greater distance from the horror are more ambivalent and less guilt-ridden about recognising Israel's actions for what they are.

  On 1/22/2025 at 5:47 AM, usagi said:

it's the cultural connection and the influence of boomer American Jews being brought to bear on the country's social and political processes, which they have a hand in. Dems are their preferred party. this isn't some lurid anti-semitic conspiracy, we're talking in plain terms about people who fled persecution and programmed the next generation to believe that if Israel isn't defended at all costs then there will be another Holocaust. those are some of the people helping prolong this state of affairs today. millennials and younger who were raised with greater distance from the horror are more ambivalent and less guilt-ridden about recognising Israel's actions for what they are.

Yeah but Zionism is in the mix too. It’s more complicated than defending Israel because they were programmed . It’s about expanding Israel, ethnic cleansing of Palestinians etc. zionists have an agenda and always have. Nazis actually visited Palestine to meet with Zionist’s because “hey, we can send our Jews here” or so the story goes. It’s a long crazy complicated history and sadly it hasn’t made Jews any safer in the long run. It’s overwhelming to think about and so sad. 
 

trumps pick for sec of state just said that Israel has a “biblical right” to the West Bank. 

  On 1/22/2025 at 4:01 AM, Walter Ostanek said:

I still find it hard to believe that democrats really give that much of a shit about Israel, deep down. It was clear that Obama found them bloody annoying on a personal level anyway. It's not like they don't have other allies in the region that they can use - a friendly+strong Israel isn't actually some ultra-critical strategic asset to the US when they also have Saudiland, Jordan and (usually) Turkey on side. And I assume democrats are generally far less swayed by all the biblical bollocks than republicans are. So why do (did) they suck Bibi's circumcised cock so gleefully? Is there Epstein/Mossad kompromat on every single democrat? Have the Israel lobby bought them all yachts? I'm not a yankee doodle, so perhaps I'm just missing some big part of the puzzle

One of the explanations that I kind of agree with comes from Lawrence Wilkerson, who says that ultimately the American Empire is trying to slow down the power shift from west to east (i.e. China) at any cost, and creating conditions of instability in the middle east is a key point in this strategy. Biden and Blinken, and democrats by and large, can wring their hands and talk about how they regret all the civilian death, but ultimately Israel is doing exactly what our own military would have to do in that area if we did not have Israel as our attack dog. Aipac is kind of like a smokescreen in his interpretation of the conflict. The Israel lobby no doubt influences policy and exercises control over how things are represented in the media in the west, but at the end of the day aipac is part of the American hand-wringing, but ultimately it is just another mechanism for Americans to throw their hands in the air and pretend like they have no control over the situation or the policy.

I think also that there is some kind of moral decay that is unconscionable and probably irreversible in American culture, and that the whole war on terror kind of bears this out. All of the people in the middle east (from the perspective of Americans by and large) are just backwards, subhuman, sand nigger terrorists that do not deserve life or sovereign countries of their own, especially the ones that live in countries that have enough power and resources to challenge American interests. These people are simply just scum or insects and you can bomb their children with impunity so that they cannot reproduce their populations and have military policy whose ultimate aim is to just eviscerate and exterminate them all.

Even though the total death toll in palestine pales in comparison to what American military has done in Iraq and other middle eastern countries, I think that the last 15 months in the Levant are somehow different in kind, not just different in degree. I had lunch with some co-workers at a new job yesterday, and they all started talking about politics and about elon's nazi salute and how much they hated trump etc., and not one of them even mentioned what has been happening in the middle east or the ceasefire. I obviously kept my mouth shut and was just like 'yeah trump what a dick haha' - I think that whether democrat or republican, people are just tuned out or do not care or do not see the connection between domestic and foreign policy in America. This is unfortunate in my opinion because any one looking at America from afar probably sees our country, not just the politicians but the people as well, as morally bankrupt, but I think that it is even worse, it is a full on mentally ill and sadistic society in a lot of ways. Not saying that there is still nothing good about American culture and influence in the world, but the lack of any moral or spiritual guiding principle to what American nation is is perhaps more apparent now than ever.

This week, President Donald Trump signed an executive order to cancel the visas of college students who protest in support of Palestine, opening the path to their deportation. A small company called Stellar Defense & Cyber Intelligence is ready to help by deploying AI technology to identify anonymous, masked pro-Palestinian protestors, through a campaign it refers to as “Operation Wrath of Zion.”

In December, The Times of Israel reported that Betar had worked with pro-Israel U.S. lawmakers including Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and John Fetterman (D-PA) on plans to round up “suspects” in anticipation of Donald Trump’s return to the White House. Ross Glick, the executive director of Betar US, told the paper the purpose of Betar’s use of facial recognition was to “give the Trump team a head start.” While Glick stressed that Betar supports free speech, he added that “if a foreign student is here on a visa, they don’t have the same rights as others to protest or promote anti-Zionist narratives.”

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-palestine-dox-new-york-facial-recognition-ai

  On 1/31/2025 at 8:14 PM, Nebraska said:

This week, President Donald Trump signed an executive order to cancel the visas of college students who protest in support of Palestine, opening the path to their deportation. A small company called Stellar Defense & Cyber Intelligence is ready to help by deploying AI technology to identify anonymous, masked pro-Palestinian protestors, through a campaign it refers to as “Operation Wrath of Zion.”

In December, The Times of Israel reported that Betar had worked with pro-Israel U.S. lawmakers including Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and John Fetterman (D-PA) on plans to round up “suspects” in anticipation of Donald Trump’s return to the White House. Ross Glick, the executive director of Betar US, told the paper the purpose of Betar’s use of facial recognition was to “give the Trump team a head start.” While Glick stressed that Betar supports free speech, he added that “if a foreign student is here on a visa, they don’t have the same rights as others to protest or promote anti-Zionist narratives.”

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-palestine-dox-new-york-facial-recognition-ai

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Some of my family are extremely likely to be on that list. Some intense family chats happening over the last week over this, do they jump now while they can, or stay and fight?

"Plenty of countries sell weapons, but what makes Israel's industry unique is the mix of weapons, surveillance technology and architectural techniques that combine to create a comprehensive system for controlling 'difficult' populations and are based on years of experience in Palestine." - Antony Loewenstein