Guest Blanket Fort Collapse Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Awepittance said: assegai said: I thought the CG was well done, I do 3d and was quite impressed. A lot of the time you couldn't tell what was animatronics, CG or models. (without giving anything away) it's a summer action blockbuster, so... For one, Arnold looks better than that screenshot posted. well that's good to hear, in the preview when you watch that T800 skull fly towards the screen broken i see so much visible bump mapping and CGI artifacts it looks like a xbox360 cut scene . hopefully they've cleaned that stuff up in the final version. so is that screenshot fake that was posted above? no that screenshot of CGI arnie wasnt fake but all in all in the movie it wasnt that bad, all they would have had to do was make his face lighted a lot darker and it would have been convincing, but they lit it up like a christmas tree so ya fail. That being said, the mediocre acting at points, a few dumb lines, some minor CGI imperfections didnt really stop this flick from being really entertaining. The action scenes were all pretty wicked, the sound design was a lot like transformers but fit pretty well and was quite intense, the story as a whole wasnt too bad. THE WORST MAJOR FACTOR OF THE MOVIE IS SOME CHEESY FUCKING SCORES IN A FEW SCENES.... I cant remember his name but the soundtrack composer is quite established eh? I'd say he fucked quite a few scenes with the score orchestration alone. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Blanket Fort Collapse said: THE WORST MAJOR FACTOR OF THE MOVIE IS SOME CHEESY FUCKING SCORES IN A FEW SCENES.... I cant remember his name but the soundtrack composer is quite established eh? I'd say he fucked quite a few scenes with the score orchestration alone. *cough* Elfman *cough* Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Blanket Fort Collapse said: Awepittance said: assegai said: I thought the CG was well done, I do 3d and was quite impressed. A lot of the time you couldn't tell what was animatronics, CG or models. (without giving anything away) it's a summer action blockbuster, so...For one, Arnold looks better than that screenshot posted. well that's good to hear, in the preview when you watch that T800 skull fly towards the screen broken i see so much visible bump mapping and CGI artifacts it looks like a xbox360 cut scene . hopefully they've cleaned that stuff up in the final version. so is that screenshot fake that was posted above? no that screenshot of CGI arnie wasnt fake but all in all in the movie it wasnt that bad, all they would have had to do was make his face lighted a lot darker and it would have been convincing, but they lit it up like a christmas tree so ya fail. i have to say i'm very surprised that wasn't a fake screenshot it is way way too bright for the lack of detail/realism in his face. the best thing they could have done was have some lumbering naked buff guy start attacking christian bale in a very dark room and as the fight progresses you go into some slivers of light that show that it's arnold's face. filmmakers need to take after hithcock more even in action movies, less is more. i heard this hilarious (if true) spoiler about the ending » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « that skynet reveals itself in the form of a human face as helena bohnam carter genuine apologies for shitting on this movie so much, i haven't seen it and i will stop shitting on it at least until i do Edited May 22, 2009 by Awepittance Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Awepittance said: i heard this hilarious (if true) spoiler about the ending » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « that skynet reveals itself in the form of a human face as helena bohnam carter oh no, Shodan, anyone? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide lumpenprol's signature Hide all signatures After this I listened to geogaddi and I didn't like it, I was quite vomitting at some tracks, I realized they were too crazy for my ears, they took too much acid to play music I stupidly thought (cliché of psyché music) But I knew this album was a kind of big forest where I just wasn't able to go inside. - lost cloud I was in US tjis summer, and eat in KFC. FUCK That's the worst thing i've ever eaten. The flesh simply doesn't cleave to the bones. Battery ferming. And then, foie gras is banned from NY state, because it's considered as ill-treat. IT'S NOT. KFC is tourist ill-treat. YOU POISONERS! Two hours after being to KFC, i stopped in a amsih little town barf all that KFC shit out. Nice work! So i hope this woman is not like kfc chicken, otherwise she'll be pulled to pieces. -organized confused project Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) this was surprisingly good. i had extremely low expectations and i also tend to eat up anything remotely post apocalyptic, so that might color my opinion, but i was thoroughly entertained. bale definitely phoned it in, atleast for most of the movie, and that was the major weak spot in the film, but his character isn't really the backbone of the movie anyway. worthington did a good job and i enjoyed the introductory shots of los angeles. it looked remarkably like fallout 3 and got me really pumped for the potential mad max sequel that's currently in the works. it would have benefited from an r rating, but oh well. anyway, i give it an 8 out of 10. also that spoiler posted makes sense in the context of the film (it's true, sort of). Edited May 22, 2009 by zaphod Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blanket Fort Collapse Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 zaphod said: this was surprisingly good. i had extremely low expectations and i also tend to eat up anything remotely post apocalyptic, so that might color my opinion, but i was thoroughly entertained. bale definitely phoned it in, atleast for most of the movie, and that was the major weak spot in the film, but his character isn't really the backbone of the movie anyway. worthington did a good job and i enjoyed the introductory shots of los angeles. it looked remarkably like fallout 3 and got me really pumped for the potential mad max sequel that's currently in the works. it would have benefited from an r rating, but oh well. anyway, i give it an 8 out of 10. also that spoiler posted makes sense in the context of the film (it's true, sort of). bale might have phoned it in a bit but he definitely wasn't delivering the cringe worthy lines, the part were worthington's character is all talkin bout alice chains "Something my brother listened to" was hella cringe cheesy but again IMO some of the cringe worthy scenes were brought on by the way the elfmans score cheesy mellowdramatisized everything. Im pretty sure in that scene right as he said that a cheesy ass score melody came in that hammed it up. I agree with everything else you said Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) for sure, there was cringe worthy shit all over the place. but it's a summer blockbuster, it's made by mcg...i'm surprised it was as good as it was. also, this took place long before the flashbacks in the first two films, and they at least keep things consistent (john connor gets his facial scar near the end). i'm sure some major stuff happens that "blocks out the sun" or whatever was going on in the first two, or maybe they really did drop that aesthetic. i never liked it to begin with so it was fine with me; the flashbacks(forwards?) were always the cheesiest parts of the terminator movies, to me. anyway, i've taken a rather fatalistic stance to these kinds of films. i go in expecting nothing and i seem to walk out satisfied. it's amazing to me, with all of the shit that a studio and the hollywood system puts people through, that these movies end up watchable at all. Edited May 22, 2009 by zaphod Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wall Bird Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) This movie was pretty lame. Plot holes everywhere, crappy dialogue, a shoddily edited third act, and a ton of missed opportunities in regards to where they could have taken the plot. A few examples of what pissed me off so much. Most of them happen towards the end: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « + The highly unlikely plot involving Marcus used as bait to lure in John Connor.+ The fact that the chopper could just fly into the machine city, land, hang around for a good amount of time, with practically no resistance whatsoever and then leave just as easily. + John Connor getting an iron rod through the chest and still surviving. + The T-800 not simply snapping John Connor's neck the first time it lays a finger on him, but instead throwing him around. This is usually a sign of a bad fight scene in a movie. It's needlessly Hollywood. I want gritty, running for my life encounters with the Terminators like when the T-700 torso is crawling after him at the beginning. These machines are supposed to be cold and efficient. How often do you reckon people actually take the time to throw each other around instead of pounding them relentlessly when fighting in a life and death situation? + The machine city being modeled on an actual human city. So lame. I want a glimpse of the logical and alien design of a truly efficient intelligence. +The fact that the building Marcus speaks with the computer in has hallways, windows, and other stupid terminals that no respectable machine culture would ever need to function. +Overall, I have a problem with the fact that a super-intelligence would base the design of it's killing machines on human anatomy (T-600, etc...) instead of creating something more efficient. The hunter killers and motorcycle Terminators were a good start, as is the T-1000. I suppose this is a minimal problem in the scope of things since it's simply the style of science fiction that the creator's chose. Then again, it could still have been done within the context of the series since all Terminators in the previous films needed to blend in with humanity. Not once in this movie did I get a feeling for why John Connor was supposed to be the savior of humanity. I didn't feel any motivation behind the decision of the resistance to stand down once John Connor asked them to. The screenwriters never elaborated fully on what it means to be human beyond trite sayings nor did they touch on the implications of a creature like Marcus in more than a passing manner. If I recall correctly, they never said why humans were being rounded up and carted to the machine city. I would have liked to have known that as well. Kyle Reese was underutilized. Also, the supposed original ending got leaked a few months ago and basically it entails John Connor dying and a few people putting his skin on Marcus's body in order to carry on the symbol of the resistance. That's a way cooler idea than the lame ending we got. Edited May 22, 2009 by Wall Bird Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) yeah anyone who enjoyed the first two or likes to nitpick is going to destroy this. i didn't actually like the first terminator (it's one of the most overrated action films ever, a b-movie that somehow gets a-movie status with sci fi fans). the second is a classic, it's iconic, sure, but it's a big dumb movie. i don't understand why this series is given so much respect, like it's 2001 or blade runner. there aren't any really deep themes that get explored in the first two, and then the third was garbage. i never cared about the characters in the first three, i'm not going to start caring now. Edited May 22, 2009 by zaphod Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3FF3R00 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 it sucked. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide J3FF3R00's signature Hide all signatures 666 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 i was pretty baked at the show, so i can't decide if it was ridiculously fantastic, or fantastically ridiculous. many LOLs to be had, especially Ahnold. after that the cheese grew exponentially. i said to my date... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «oh no, they aren't REALLY gonna do a terminator heart transplant in the middle of the battlefield are they? which is exactly what happened. i liked how McCheese brought a b-movie sensibility to the franchise, because they've always been over the top, but it definitely isn't the super serious save the world epic Cameron envisioned. a good popcorn flick. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Positive Metal Attitude Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Salads Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 zaphod said: yeah anyone who enjoyed the first two or likes to nitpick is going to destroy this. i didn't actually like the first terminator (it's one of the most overrated action films ever, a b-movie that somehow gets a-movie status with sci fi fans). the second is a classic, it's iconic, sure, but it's a big dumb movie. i don't understand why this series is given so much respect, like it's 2001 or blade runner. there aren't any really deep themes that get explored in the first two, and then the third was garbage. i never cared about the characters in the first three, i'm not going to start caring now. T2 is probably one of the greatest films ever made. And I'm totally fucking serious saying that. Terminator 1 was fucking great. When was the last time you saw it? Its suspenseful, its dark, and with the budget he had he did fucking incredible things. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Mr Salads said: zaphod said: yeah anyone who enjoyed the first two or likes to nitpick is going to destroy this. i didn't actually like the first terminator (it's one of the most overrated action films ever, a b-movie that somehow gets a-movie status with sci fi fans). the second is a classic, it's iconic, sure, but it's a big dumb movie. i don't understand why this series is given so much respect, like it's 2001 or blade runner. there aren't any really deep themes that get explored in the first two, and then the third was garbage. i never cared about the characters in the first three, i'm not going to start caring now. T2 is probably one of the greatest films ever made. And I'm totally fucking serious saying that. Terminator 1 was fucking great. When was the last time you saw it? Its suspenseful, its dark, and with the budget he had he did fucking incredible things. Quoted for fucking truth Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Awepittance said: Blanket Fort Collapse said: Awepittance said: assegai said: I thought the CG was well done, I do 3d and was quite impressed. A lot of the time you couldn't tell what was animatronics, CG or models. (without giving anything away) it's a summer action blockbuster, so...For one, Arnold looks better than that screenshot posted. well that's good to hear, in the preview when you watch that T800 skull fly towards the screen broken i see so much visible bump mapping and CGI artifacts it looks like a xbox360 cut scene . hopefully they've cleaned that stuff up in the final version. so is that screenshot fake that was posted above? no that screenshot of CGI arnie wasnt fake but all in all in the movie it wasnt that bad, all they would have had to do was make his face lighted a lot darker and it would have been convincing, but they lit it up like a christmas tree so ya fail. i have to say i'm very surprised that wasn't a fake screenshot it is way way too bright for the lack of detail/realism in his face. the best thing they could have done was have some lumbering naked buff guy start attacking christian bale in a very dark room and as the fight progresses you go into some slivers of light that show that it's arnold's face. filmmakers need to take after hithcock more even in action movies, less is more. i heard this hilarious (if true) spoiler about the ending » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «that skynet reveals itself in the form of a human face as helena bohnam carter genuine apologies for shitting on this movie so much, i haven't seen it and i will stop shitting on it at least until i do I agree - it's much more suspenseful with what you can't see versus what you can - had that fight happened in some dark, dimly lit room, where all you could see is a large muscular shape with spiked hair and red eyes... *shudder* That would have made it imply it was Arnold, and not go through the expense/fanservice of having to show a CGI face. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Follow WATMM on Twitter: @WATMMOfficial Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atop Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Here is what King of the Nerds Harry Knowles thinks of T4: "This feels like ALIEN RESURRECTION to me. Something that kills something wonderful for me. I’m no longer interested in Terminator. McG terminated my enthusiasm. I love the first two films. At least I’ll always have that. Fuck this movie." I am going to watch a camera copy..... here is the rest of the review with lots of spoilers and Harry going into detail on why the film fails so tremendously... sounds fucking terrible...... http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41140 fuck that video whore/Charlie's Angels/Hack film maker one named idiot McG for fucking up something that could have been well made, written and interesting.... Edited May 22, 2009 by Atop Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Atop's signature Hide all signatures music by ATOPdj mixes by ATOP https://woodbetweenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/777 https://auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com/album/once-i-was-as-you-are-now Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) from the reviews i'm seeing, if you've never been that into Terminator you might really enjoy this film. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « apparently John Conner acts as if he hasn't seen T1, T2, or T3 through out the entire movie, spouting statements and story threads that completely go against the previous films & he shows no range of emotion only a one note agro bale mode. Edited May 22, 2009 by Awepittance Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atop Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 awesome...! camera copy... whenever.... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Atop's signature Hide all signatures music by ATOPdj mixes by ATOP https://woodbetweenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/777 https://auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com/album/once-i-was-as-you-are-now Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Atop said: Here is what King of the Nerds Harry Knowles thinks of T4: "This feels like ALIEN RESURRECTION to me. Something that kills something wonderful for me. I’m no longer interested in Terminator. McG terminated my enthusiasm. I love the first two films. At least I’ll always have that. Fuck this movie." I am going to watch a camera copy..... here is the rest of the review with lots of spoilers and Harry going into detail on why the film fails so tremendously... sounds fucking terrible...... http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41140 fuck that video whore/Charlie's Angels/Hack film maker one named idiot McG for fucking up something that could have been well made, written and interesting.... Goddamn, that was a PWN by Knowles... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Follow WATMM on Twitter: @WATMMOfficial Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atop Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 yeah, he ripped it so hard that I now have no interest whatsoever... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Atop's signature Hide all signatures music by ATOPdj mixes by ATOP https://woodbetweenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/777 https://auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com/album/once-i-was-as-you-are-now Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest assegai Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Atop said: Here is what King of the Nerds Harry Knowles thinks of T4: "This feels like ALIEN RESURRECTION to me. Something that kills something wonderful for me. I’m no longer interested in Terminator. McG terminated my enthusiasm. I love the first two films. At least I’ll always have that. Fuck this movie." I am going to watch a camera copy..... here is the rest of the review with lots of spoilers and Harry going into detail on why the film fails so tremendously... sounds fucking terrible...... http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41140 fuck that video whore/Charlie's Angels/Hack film maker one named idiot McG for fucking up something that could have been well made, written and interesting.... The whole "terminator mythology" was ruined in 3 anyway. I stand by it being a good/fun summer blockbuster. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atop Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 go see Star Trek again.... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Atop's signature Hide all signatures music by ATOPdj mixes by ATOP https://woodbetweenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/777 https://auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com/album/once-i-was-as-you-are-now Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1047728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benedict Cumberbatch Posted May 24, 2009 Report Share Posted May 24, 2009 (edited) good popcorn movie. enjoyed on friday afternoon in a half full theatre. bale wasnt great, why does he use that voice? arnie didnt look great. the english guy was alright. the end didnt make any sense though. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « if the guy could hand to hand fight terminators then why would they kill him and use his heart? anyone else got a heart? not much else to say about it though. i just started watching battlestar galatica so it was a strange time to watch something with similar ideas. although i suppose terminators have always looked like us. the whole human organs bit is new i guess. Edited May 24, 2009 by Benedict Cumberbatch Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1049183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 (edited) assegai said: Atop said: Here is what King of the Nerds Harry Knowles thinks of T4: "This feels like ALIEN RESURRECTION to me. Something that kills something wonderful for me. I’m no longer interested in Terminator. McG terminated my enthusiasm. I love the first two films. At least I’ll always have that. Fuck this movie." I am going to watch a camera copy..... here is the rest of the review with lots of spoilers and Harry going into detail on why the film fails so tremendously... sounds fucking terrible...... http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41140 fuck that video whore/Charlie's Angels/Hack film maker one named idiot McG for fucking up something that could have been well made, written and interesting.... The whole "terminator mythology" was ruined in 3 anyway. i don't really see how 3 ruined the mythology, sure it was a very flawed overly silly movie but did it defy the cannon? Terminator Salvation just in the trailer alone breaks cannon like 5 times. by the way the CGI arnold footage is leaked on youtube, and yes it is embarrassing, and looks worse than even those screenshots fuck the daylight zero aesthetic connection to T1 and T2 salvation Edited May 25, 2009 by Awepittance Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1049421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Salads Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Awepittance said: i don't really see how 3 ruined the mythology, sure it was a very flawed overly silly movie but did it defy the cannon? Yes Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1049426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ezkerraldean Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 well want to watch this i read the thread title as Terminator Salvatorin probably jazzband Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/40618-terminator-salvation/page/7/#findComment-1049663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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