Video Games What video games are you currently playing?

  On 3/22/2010 at 3:22 AM, kaini said:

  On 3/21/2010 at 9:52 PM, tec said:

It's a long shot and I apologise for disrupting the thread but this post should be easy enough to ignore. I just didn't really feel like it warranted a new thread.

 

Basically I was wondering if any UK WATMM'ers knew of a decent place to buy a laptop for around £500, I don't fancy getting shafted by PC World or ripped off by Dell again.

 

*ducks*

 

if you want a machine for gaming and want to limit the amount you spend, i recommend building a desktop instead.

it can cost you a lot less if you're willing to do the work. you can pick up a 775 motherboard, case, a mid-range socket 775 processor, a fan, a cheap PSU, RAM and a semi-decent GPU for less than 500 bucks i reckon. maybe an LCD too if you find a bundle. provided you are willing/able to recycle a few components, possibly...

Why would you buy a dead chipset to start off with?

I've been playing BC2 like it's going out of style. I love loading up quads with C4 and going kamikaze on tanks =) Sometimes I even make it out alive!

  On 3/23/2010 at 2:55 PM, Hautlle said:

  On 3/22/2010 at 3:22 AM, kaini said:

  On 3/21/2010 at 9:52 PM, tec said:

It's a long shot and I apologise for disrupting the thread but this post should be easy enough to ignore. I just didn't really feel like it warranted a new thread.

 

Basically I was wondering if any UK WATMM'ers knew of a decent place to buy a laptop for around £500, I don't fancy getting shafted by PC World or ripped off by Dell again.

 

*ducks*

 

if you want a machine for gaming and want to limit the amount you spend, i recommend building a desktop instead.

it can cost you a lot less if you're willing to do the work. you can pick up a 775 motherboard, case, a mid-range socket 775 processor, a fan, a cheap PSU, RAM and a semi-decent GPU for less than 500 bucks i reckon. maybe an LCD too if you find a bundle. provided you are willing/able to recycle a few components, possibly...

 

 

Why would you buy a dead chipset to start off with?

 

 

I've been playing BC2 like it's going out of style. I love loading up quads with C4 and going kamikaze on tanks =) Sometimes I even make it out alive!

lol Ive gotta try that, finally starting to not suck @ BC2 after like 10 games, bough AVP.

I don't really see the problem in buying a "dead" chipset.. a mediocre 775 machine that is upgraded to a top of the line GPU will be able to run any game out now and the next year or so with great settings.

There isn't a shitload of games coming out in the next few years that are going to be completely unplayable on a machine like that.

Seems like with PC gaming, it's becoming more about the graphics card than the RAM/CPU... which essentially makes PC gaming like console gaming, where you have a specific hardware set games are set to perform under. Except most decent graphics cards cost 200USD+ these days, and you can get a console (and none of the other hassles with a PC) for not much more and get a consistent experience.

Also: Fuck a keyboard and mouse as input devices on a game - how anyone can use WASD and a mouse to point (the mouse part actually makes more sense in terms of accuracy) and move is beyond me.

  On 3/23/2010 at 7:26 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 2:55 PM, Hautlle said:

  On 3/22/2010 at 3:22 AM, kaini said:

  On 3/21/2010 at 9:52 PM, tec said:

It's a long shot and I apologise for disrupting the thread but this post should be easy enough to ignore. I just didn't really feel like it warranted a new thread.

 

Basically I was wondering if any UK WATMM'ers knew of a decent place to buy a laptop for around £500, I don't fancy getting shafted by PC World or ripped off by Dell again.

 

*ducks*

 

if you want a machine for gaming and want to limit the amount you spend, i recommend building a desktop instead.

it can cost you a lot less if you're willing to do the work. you can pick up a 775 motherboard, case, a mid-range socket 775 processor, a fan, a cheap PSU, RAM and a semi-decent GPU for less than 500 bucks i reckon. maybe an LCD too if you find a bundle. provided you are willing/able to recycle a few components, possibly...

 

 

Why would you buy a dead chipset to start off with?

 

 

I've been playing BC2 like it's going out of style. I love loading up quads with C4 and going kamikaze on tanks =) Sometimes I even make it out alive!

 

lol Ive gotta try that, finally starting to not suck @ BC2 after like 10 games, bough AVP.

 

I don't really see the problem in buying a "dead" chipset.. a mediocre 775 machine that is upgraded to a top of the line GPU will be able to run any game out now and the next year or so with great settings.

 

exactly, sink the money into storage, GPU and RAM and get a cheap mobo.

Super Mario Galaxy on the wii...trying to complete the whole game before the sequel comes out.

  On 3/23/2010 at 8:26 PM, Joyrex said:

Seems like with PC gaming, it's becoming more about the graphics card than the RAM/CPU... which essentially makes PC gaming like console gaming, where you have a specific hardware set games are set to perform under. Except most decent graphics cards cost 200USD+ these days, and you can get a console (and none of the other hassles with a PC) for not much more and get a consistent experience.

 

Also: Fuck a keyboard and mouse as input devices on a game - how anyone can use WASD and a mouse to point (the mouse part actually makes more sense in terms of accuracy) and move is beyond me.

your out of touch, I payed 80 dollars for my 9600GT 5 months ago? and all the games I play look waaay fucking better than consoles:bigger, more detailed maps... cause my computer has more than 512mb's of ram... lolz... higher native resolution, 16x anti aliasing.

gameplay possibilities on PCs have much more dynamic potential... Im not gonna make this an essay about it though.

mouse and keyboard vs controller.... lolz I wish there was some really good cross platform games that didn't give the controller x33 auto aim...

it would be really funny to play a decently fast paced game against controller players and further demonstrate in real time how inferior a control scheme controllers are for competitive gaming... RTS's, FPS's, 3rd person games....

any game where you have to aim or do complex multi tasking is a joke on controllers.

For those interested, Xbox Live Game Room opens tomorrow, now you can pay more money for 20 yr old games on every console, yay!

  On 3/23/2010 at 9:13 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 8:26 PM, Joyrex said:

Seems like with PC gaming, it's becoming more about the graphics card than the RAM/CPU... which essentially makes PC gaming like console gaming, where you have a specific hardware set games are set to perform under. Except most decent graphics cards cost 200USD+ these days, and you can get a console (and none of the other hassles with a PC) for not much more and get a consistent experience.

 

Also: Fuck a keyboard and mouse as input devices on a game - how anyone can use WASD and a mouse to point (the mouse part actually makes more sense in terms of accuracy) and move is beyond me.

 

your out of touch, I payed 80 dollars for my 9600GT 5 months ago? and all the games I play look waaay fucking better than consoles:bigger, more detailed maps... cause my computer has more than 512mb's of ram... lolz... higher native resolution, 16x anti aliasing.

 

gameplay possibilities on PCs have much more dynamic potential... Im not gonna make this an essay about it though.

 

mouse and keyboard vs controller.... lolz I wish there was some really good cross platform games that didn't give the controller x33 auto aim...

it would be really funny to play a decently fast paced game against controller players and further demonstrate in real time how inferior a control scheme controllers are for competitive gaming... RTS's, FPS's, 3rd person games....

 

any game where you have to aim or do complex multi tasking is a joke on controllers.

I don't know why you keep mentioning "auto aim" - CoD:MW2 on the PS3 sure as HELL don't have auto-aim, and I don't even think there is a option for it... the way I see these losers spray and pray on the killcams trying to hit me are laughable...

I bet I would beat anyone on a PC playing Street Fighter IV with a keyboard versus using a control pad or a joystick (the proper controller). That game I think qualifies as a 'fast-paced game'.

I think the only genres that have an advantage over console controls are RTS (pointing input for accuracy) RPG (depending on the type), and possibly FPS (still out on that one though), but the majority of traditional game genres work better on a console - platformers, shooters, puzzle games, action/adventure, etc.

I think that's the reason you see the majority of games for the PC are FPS/RPG/RTS, since the limited control scheme (and no guarantee to the developer that the end-users have a control pad). So much for the gameplay possibilities having more "dynamic potential" than consoles...

  On 3/23/2010 at 9:13 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 8:26 PM, Joyrex said:

Seems like with PC gaming, it's becoming more about the graphics card than the RAM/CPU... which essentially makes PC gaming like console gaming, where you have a specific hardware set games are set to perform under. Except most decent graphics cards cost 200USD+ these days, and you can get a console (and none of the other hassles with a PC) for not much more and get a consistent experience.

 

Also: Fuck a keyboard and mouse as input devices on a game - how anyone can use WASD and a mouse to point (the mouse part actually makes more sense in terms of accuracy) and move is beyond me.

 

your out of touch, I payed 80 dollars for my 9600GT 5 months ago? and all the games I play look waaay fucking better than consoles:bigger, more detailed maps... cause my computer has more than 512mb's of ram... lolz... higher native resolution, 16x anti aliasing.

 

gameplay possibilities on PCs have much more dynamic potential... Im not gonna make this an essay about it though.

 

mouse and keyboard vs controller.... lolz I wish there was some really good cross platform games that didn't give the controller x33 auto aim...

it would be really funny to play a decently fast paced game against controller players and further demonstrate in real time how inferior a control scheme controllers are for competitive gaming... RTS's, FPS's, 3rd person games....

 

any game where you have to aim or do complex multi tasking is a joke on controllers.

Jesus, this conversation is getting fantastically retarded.

I've been a PC/Mac gamer my whole life (yes, believe it or not but all the new games used to be released on Mac as well) and I bought an Xbox360 back in 2006 and then a Wii when it was released in 2007 so I'm both sides in the PC vs. Console war. In other words, I'm neutral when it comes to platforms. But let me try and explain to you why I think console gaming is completely crushing the PC gaming market. And remember, I'm not picking a side here I'm just looking at it from a logical point of view.

If you head on over to pretty much any gaming site (Kotaku, Gametrailers, Giantbomb and so on) you'll notice that most of the news in the world of gaming are almost exclusively about console gaming. The pc market is only about 6-7% of total game sales (this includes Steam) and... well, that's not really a big number, is it? It's a declining industry because you can get a near-PC-experience on a console right now. And yes, I know your computer has more RAM, has a better CPU, a better GFX card and it will crap all over any console any day. But take a look at the PS3. It's a powerful machine and I'm almost positive that it's more powerful than let's say 70-80% of all the PCs on the market and the 360 is probably more powerful than 60-70% of the PCs that are out there. Flame all you want but they are two quite powerful machines. Now picture yourself as a developer. The point of developing a game is to sell as many copies as possible and of course you're going to program your game for largest possible audience which right now is the console audience. And no, that's not wrong. PC game sale figures will certainly tell you that PC-gaming isn't doing all that great when it comes to sales. But as long as we have MMOs we're going to have PC gamers. I mean, 12 million World of Warcraft gamers is a big robust market and next your we'll see another PC exclusive Star Wars MMO which will sell pretty damn well I'm sure. But besides MMOs pretty much every other game is released for the console market and lots of times you'll see that these games, unfortunately, suffer greatly when ported to the PC-market. And don't tell me that's not true. If you go through the news archive over the last couple years on Kotaku, then you'll see that lots and lots of the multiplatform games are delayed for the PC because developers focus on the consoles and some of these ports are hilariously awful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cTupIMf4lY

Seriously.

So you see, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with playing games on a PC, but the console market is crushing it under its fat feet and there's no denying that more and more developers make games exclusively for the console market. For instance, Alan Wake has been cancelled for the PC market, and why was there no Fable 2 for the PC even when Fable 1 was released for PCs? Even Dead Space 2 has been cancelled for PC and blablabla...

It has nothing to do with whether or not it's better to play with a keyboard or a gamepad but instead what goes on on the market and where the future of gaming is taking us.

(btw yes there is auto aim in console COD always has been)

I completely understand the reasons why console gaming is taking over Squee but I don't like the direction its taking things in at all. I'm highly annoyed with the lazyness of console gamers and what it doing to the industry. Console gamers are dumbing down gaming. Its getting more and more noob friendly, simplifying controls, simplifying gameplay, confining open sourced modification..... the console audience in general is far less mature...

again, I'm not gonna spend anymore great lengths going over all the reasons why I know PC multiplayer gaming has more potential and is much more optimal (which is all I care about)((and all I have really been referring to))(((my previous posts stated my point and that really only give a finally fuck about multiplayer in this matter)))

about 6 months ago I converted a long time uber lazy ignorant console gamer friend (he literally is the dumbest and laziest person I know) over to PC gaming, he never understood playing games with a mouse and keyboard.. because he had only tried it for off and on maybe a few hours max in the umpteen years he has seen PC gaming. He was mostly just afraid because he thought computers took a long time to understand and knew that console mp gaming was much easier..... after 3 months of serious PC gaming he now understands mouse and keyboard is waaay better for multi-tasking, aiming and doing complex ultra quick knee jerk response twitch direct mind to game type executions (we can bust out our 360 controllers plug n play in our computers for vehicles, 2d games whatever like I said) ... I cant even begin to describe that this kid is literally the last person on earth I thought would ever not be a lazy bastard and get into PC gaming... he is converted & understands console MP gaming is the ricky retardo simplified lazyfied noob friendly tween capable cousin.

you can get mad all you want....its your problem big guy, i love me some controllers.

Yeah, Blanket is right about the auto-aim, Joyrex. If an enemy runs right past you you'll see that your gun and/or crosshair actually follows him for a short period of time.

It sounds to me as if you're not interested in sharing the world of gaming with newcomers :)

They're not dumbing down games they're just trying to reach out to a broader audience. Of course then there's the Wii and I don't know if you're thinking of that console when you say that they simplify the controls and gameplay but if that's the case then we can agree on that. But that is pretty much my only complaint about the gaming market these days. All the shovelware and ridiculous fitness games are doing extremely well which bothers the hell out of me - I mean, "Just Dance" for Wii has sold a ridiculous amounts of copies. I mean, shit! It has almost sold as many copies as Uncharted 2!

But I don't understand what you mean when you say that Pc multiplayer has more "potential" than online gaming on a console? Of course there's the lack of mod possibilities on the consoles but that's about it. But both kinds of gaming takes practice so saying that PC or Console gaming is easier is just a subjective statement that you can't really use for anything?

As I trying to express, its waay more than just controllers versus mouse and keyboard Smettingham but that is definitely apart of it, there's less buttons on a controller so a lot of games are taking out really important commands so that they will work on a controller.

Console gaming is more popular because it IS easier, more convenient and more noob friendly. I like games to be in depth, dynamic, unforgiving slightly slow learning curved with longevity... that's exactly the opposite of what console gaming is going for right now.

The target audience for console games is of a much wider range and the hardcore gamers are suffering because of it. Again the PC audience by default is much more mature.(ask me the last time I heard an 11 year screaming at his mom to get him a chocolate milk while playing a MP PC game?)

I kind of liked that I could play games with all my dumb friends on xbox live who were too lazy to figure out what a gaming pc would need with less money than they spent on all the accesories and shit for their console.... but I gave up a month after MW2 came out, fuck most friends I only want quality, intense, open ended, unforgiving skill and knowledge based PC gaming

  On 3/24/2010 at 12:26 AM, Squee said:

Yeah, Blanket is right about the auto-aim, Joyrex. If an enemy runs right past you you'll see that your gun and/or crosshair actually follows him for a short period of time.

 

It sounds to me as if you're not interested in sharing the world of gaming with newcomers :)

They're not dumbing down games they're just trying to reach out to a broader audience. Of course then there's the Wii and I don't know if you're thinking of that console when you say that they simplify the controls and gameplay but if that's the case then we can agree on that. But that is pretty much my only complaint about the gaming market these days. All the shovelware and ridiculous fitness games are doing extremely well which bothers the hell out of me - I mean, "Just Dance" for Wii has sold a ridiculous amounts of copies. I mean, shit! It has almost sold as many copies as Uncharted 2!

 

But I don't understand what you mean when you say that Pc multiplayer has more "potential" than online gaming on a console? Of course there's the lack of mod possibilities on the consoles but that's about it. But both kinds of gaming takes practice so saying that PC or Console gaming is easier is just a subjective statement that you can't really use for anything?

for some reason I have never noticed the auto aim in COD6 multiplayer. Ive noticed it in the campaign but never in multiplayer, maybe I'm just too crazy on the right stick.

Anyone played Greed Corp yet?

New PSN game, looks pretty good.

[youtubehd]LDq-9t9VEeg[/youtubehd]

  On 3/23/2010 at 11:16 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Console gamers are dumbing down gaming.

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:04 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 11:16 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Console gamers are dumbing down gaming.

can you read? I explained umpteen reasons why I would say such a thing, quoting something like that without context doesn't really work when I have described my opinions thoroughly, rationally and with understanding for both sides of the movement. I simply don't agree with the direction that developers are taking to create broad simplified audience appeal for console gamers. (which again.. I very well understand why it is happening)

also, again, once more to repeat myself all of my points are only referring to online MULTIPLAYER gaming

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:23 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:04 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 11:16 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Console gamers are dumbing down gaming.

 

can you read? I explained umpteen reasons why I would say such a thing, quoting something like that without context doesn't really work when I have described my opinions thoroughly, rationally and with understanding for both sides of the movement. I simply don't agree with the direction that developers are taking to create broad simplified audience appeal for console gamers. (which again.. I very well understand why it is happening)

 

also, again, once more to repeat myself all of my points are only referring to online MULTIPLAYER gaming

Oh no, I read what you had to say. Doesn't stop that being a dumb statement.

I don't get how a game like Call of Duty is any more "dumbed down" than an older fps on the pc?

Played Shadow of the Colossus for the first time two days ago. It's very good (duh)

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:29 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:23 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:04 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 11:16 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Console gamers are dumbing down gaming.

 

can you read? I explained umpteen reasons why I would say such a thing, quoting something like that without context doesn't really work when I have described my opinions thoroughly, rationally and with understanding for both sides of the movement. I simply don't agree with the direction that developers are taking to create broad simplified audience appeal for console gamers. (which again.. I very well understand why it is happening)

 

also, again, once more to repeat myself all of my points are only referring to online MULTIPLAYER gaming

 

Oh no, I read what you had to say. Doesn't stop that being a dumb statement.

 

I don't get how a game like Call of Duty is any more "dumbed down" than an older fps on the pc?

Blanket Fort is right. But, unless you've had the PC experience before you might not understand the perspective. It used to be all about PC gaming.

Games used to be developed for PC's first, then ported to the consoles. Now, it's the opposite. The problem is when you port a game from a console to a PC - it doesn't make much sense considering the huge difference in power and available resources on a PC vs. whatever the console threw in their box - which isn't much. So, now we get games that are made just for consoles that are ported to PC and turn out looking like shit because the companies don't want to put the effort in to the PC side.

In console oriented games you get the flashy stuff and obvious directional points of reference (go here, does this, use that, pick this up). They are dumbed down. You don't see that type of elementary stuff in PC games. They are more detailed, more intricate and have more controls over the elements of gameplay.

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:23 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 1:04 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 11:16 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Console gamers are dumbing down gaming.

 

can you read? I explained umpteen reasons why I would say such a thing, quoting something like that without context doesn't really work when I have described my opinions thoroughly, rationally and with understanding for both sides of the movement. I simply don't agree with the direction that developers are taking to create broad simplified audience appeal for console gamers. (which again.. I very well understand why it is happening)

 

also, again, once more to repeat myself all of my points are only referring to online MULTIPLAYER gaming

I dunno.

I agree with your point that console gamers seem more immature though; I pay yearly for an Xbox live gold subscription but due to the sheer amount of douchebags I find it hard to feel motivated to play online anymore. But my times playing Halo 2 and 3 are the most fun I've ever had playing online multiplayer.

Honestly, I think I mostly disagree with your points. I play consoles for the most part, but I absolutely cannot enjoy playing RTS games on a console. It's fucking impossible. FPS games are arguably PC preferable games, but I find using a mouse and keyboard so uncomfortable that I would rather play them on a console. It's not the most popular opinion because most of the console vs pc arguments are infantile virtual dick waving contests where people say "uuugurrrghghghgh but i cud kil u much quicker usin a mouse and keyboard".

I think usability features into this a lot, consistency too. I like the 'level playing field' (I suppose) that consoles imply because everyone is using the same controller. There aren't any games that pit console players against PC players so the whole superior platform thing just ends up being a pointless subjective argument.

The thing is, you seem to be making the point that PC gaming is superior because you've had good experiences playing online and that because there are more buttons it's somehow more complex and therefore implies a heightened level of intelligence. Is it not possible for some games to be overcomplicated though? I've played some games on the PC that are so badly planned out, control wise that you just end up getting bored of them.

Also, I like that with a console that developers have to make games within the limitations of the hardware - in a lot of ways I think it can inspire creativity.

I think I'm getting off base here

As far as im aware, I only use an xbox to play Monkey Ball-Monkey Flying for money when im at my friends house, there is no scope for modding on a console. Someone tell me differently if im wrong. But surely thats dumbing down. css would never have had happened on an xbox.

Just been reading what blanket fort's going on about.

For years, I have always been a PC gamer. From the first quakes where mouse and keyboard came properly into play for me (marathon, i know!). Then half lfie came out and all the mods that came with it.

I started playing CS and DoD competatively. All my friends in town got into it too and it was a major hobby for us at the time. The whole mouse and keyboard input was what made playing competatively special. When you had to kill two guys infront of you in 2 seconds, and made two amazing reaction shots... it was very satisfying, especially when there were spectators watching the matches you were playing in.

The skill roof is so high too. There was always someone else better than you, who you watched with respect. With controllers everyone is handicapped, having to wait to turn around cus of the controller is frustrating, and i used to hate playing on console FPS games for that reason. I was too used to aiming where i wanted to in a split second.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah19nNNAVJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zwcB-74fE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6k0SxWODSY

I used to be such a geek.

Now though, i just play on xbox cus i can't be bothered to sort my PC out, and my friends are also lazy now and just play xbox.

So basically, proper gamers play on PC.

Coach gamers are not proper gamers, you don't put hours of practice in to better your skills to become 1337.

  On 3/24/2010 at 3:31 PM, sala said:

With controllers everyone is handicapped, having to wait to turn around cus of the controller is frustrating, and i used to hate playing on console FPS games for that reason. I was too used to aiming where i wanted to in a split second.

Every console fps game has the option to change the controller sensitivity.

  On 3/24/2010 at 5:17 PM, AcrossCanyons said:

  On 3/24/2010 at 3:31 PM, sala said:

With controllers everyone is handicapped, having to wait to turn around cus of the controller is frustrating, and i used to hate playing on console FPS games for that reason. I was too used to aiming where i wanted to in a split second.

 

Every console fps game has the option to change the controller sensitivity.

yeah, but you still can't get the instant control that you can with a mouse... obviously. even at the highest sensitivity, you're still waiting.