Autechre 777 realization, I understand Autechre's trick now

I understand Autechre's trick now, they have lyrics you can't even detect until the millionth listen.\

 

Whoh oh, oh

This disport is so augmatic

(AUGMATIC)

It is like a kind of magic

(MAGIC)

And baby when you dance

I can see a bowl of crisps in your eyes

(EYES)

epic.

b7

THEHAUNTINGSOUL

  essines said:

THEHAUNTINGSOUL IS GAYER THAN A BAG OF DICKS

hey now

  sneaksta303 said:

  essines said:

THEHAUNTINGSOUL IS GAYER THAN A BAG OF DICKS

 

I bet he's a screamer

This forum is a proof that most of the people use EQ even if they should not.

 

Leave the EQ job to the speaker/headphones manufacturers and music producers. They have certain standards of how stuff should be balanced.

 

99% of people should left the EQ flat because they have no clue what they are doing to the music that somebody so carefully produced and mixed.

 

In other words, there was no hidden/buried melody in 444. The melody was explicitly apparent to me since the first time I have listened to the track. Excessive bass in 444? I can only imagine how horrible your EQ must have been set up or how horrible speakers/cans you have.

 

"Acroyear2 jazz", again, explicitly apparent. No problem at all.

 

Just buy a good headphones/speakers and don't touch the fucking EQ (leave it flat) because you have obviously no idea what you are doing. There will be no more hidden stuff if they are not supposed to be hidden. You will, more or less, hear what a producer wanted you to hear in his/her music and you will not destroy his/her work.

 

It is really sad if you realize how easy is to destroy Ae's (or any other's) masterpieces with restless fingers on EQ, because it is not "boomy" enough...

 

Seriously, there should be more education for listeners about this. Sad.

Oh and the LCC synth at the end also very obvious (my favourite part). Paying enough attention is enough. No EQ needed.

he's talking about 777, lol. but i agree with you otherwise, it's either his equipment is wank or he simply doesn't like autechre as a whole but only some particular elements of their music.

 

i guess there's some merit in eq-ing when your hearing worsens with age (although sean mentioned that he can't hear really high freqs anymore as well in the aaa, so he probably compensates as well lol)

yeah, messing with EQ has always been a big nono for me.

 

How egotistical do you have to be?

  On 3/25/2009 at 2:34 PM, six said:

I understand Autechre's trick now, they have lyrics you can't even detect until the millionth listen.\

 

Whoh oh, oh

This disport is so augmatic

(AUGMATIC)

It is like a kind of magic

(MAGIC)

And baby when you dance

I can see a bowl of crisps in your eyes

(EYES)

Hilarious

  On 5/10/2014 at 9:00 PM, eugene said:

he's talking about 777, lol.

 

Embarrassed.

only a complete idiot would eq these masterworkings

 

the true coded message contained within is totally ruined by fools who don't know what they do

is not hidden

is right there

u just = too stupid

 

(i tried to put a throwing-up emoticon right here but there doesn't seem to be one. what kind of forum is this? anyway, just imagine one of those, as a symbol of my disgust)

777 has over time become (from my least favorite) my absolute favorite track on LP5. That comb filtering does tasty things to my ear holes, and that bouncy hit every 3 and 4 beats. That synth part that also kinda sounds like Plyphon. MMmmm

 

I don't see anything wrong with EQing and experiencing music in new ways. I don't think I do it often enough actually. I understand the work the guys put into it, the music speaks for that perfectly clearly actually. But would they not encourage their listeners to explore the sounds themselves as well? This would have made an excellent AAA question...

Some speakers are simply responsive in different ways, and music will absolutely sound different in your car than in your living room.

i only listen to stereo differences anyway

lol

  On 5/11/2014 at 1:43 AM, Vilwx said:

Some speakers are simply responsive in different ways, and music will absolutely sound different in your car than in your living room.

Differences between various speakers and environments mostly aren't that drastic and damaging as those made by a deaf individual with a Logitech "sound system"...

 

Simply use >60$ headphones, leave the EQ flat, use healthy levels (too loud and you will omit details easily - contrary to the common assumptions, quiet listening is much more revealing than loud listening except few specific cases), listen carefully and you will be able to hear "everything" that was meant to be heard by producers.

 

If you have to listen on speakers, don't listen in your bathroom.

 

After you got your basic listening done (i.e. you don't write shocking, secrets-revealing posts about hidden stuff that are not secret and hidden at all), use stereo difference and EQs for your sonic adventures, of course.

Edited May 11, 2014 by Jev

  On 5/10/2014 at 4:52 PM, Jev said:

This forum is a proof that most of the people use EQ even if they should not.

 

Leave the EQ job to the speaker/headphones manufacturers and music producers. They have certain standards of how stuff should be balanced.

 

99% of people should left the EQ flat because they have no clue what they are doing to the music that somebody so carefully produced and mixed.

 

In other words, there was no hidden/buried melody in 444. The melody was explicitly apparent to me since the first time I have listened to the track. Excessive bass in 444? I can only imagine how horrible your EQ must have been set up or how horrible speakers/cans you have.

 

"Acroyear2 jazz", again, explicitly apparent. No problem at all.

 

Just buy a good headphones/speakers and don't touch the fucking EQ (leave it flat) because you have obviously no idea what you are doing. There will be no more hidden stuff if they are not supposed to be hidden. You will, more or less, hear what a producer wanted you to hear in his/her music and you will not destroy his/her work.

 

It is really sad if you realize how easy is to destroy Ae's (or any other's) masterpieces with restless fingers on EQ, because it is not "boomy" enough...

 

Seriously, there should be more education for listeners about this. Sad.

"Hey so I was in the car"

jev it's entirely possible to actually 'hide' sounds. there are phenomena such as masking which is basically what the OP described, which means that some sounds will cover up others. especially, more bassy sounds are known to mask sounds at frequencies above them. noise will mask anything since it contains all frequencies (unless it's filtered).

 

considering what AE do, it's entirely possible if not plausible that at some point they intentionally 'hid' a sound in one of their tracks, or did that multiple times, using knowledge about the principles of masking. just like how aphex has hidden images in his tracks. so for you to assert that you somehow know that they have not specifically hidden any of these or other possible sounds that may not yet have been found, is just absurd. like how the hell do you know?

 

and this is all besides the point that anyone can do whatever they want. if someone wants to use a high pass filter to remove bass and make it easier to hear quiet sounds in the higher frequencies, just for the purpose of finding them and hearing them, who are you to tell them they can't? and if they want to they can even go and post about it somewhere.

 

also, it's pretty obvious that if someone uses extreme filtering techniques to do this kind of thing, they'd be fully aware that they are altering the track from whatever it's intended purpose was. if you use a high pass filter to almost completely remove bass, then its like no shit sherlock, ae didnt intend that.

 

but even as far as just using subtle eq to boost or cut the bass a little bit, which is an entirely other thing even though you are trying to conflate this with the much more exaggerated type of filtering the OP was talking about to reveal 'hidden' sounds, it's still their business to do that. if someone wants to hear more bass or more treble or whatever, they can fuckin do that. because guess what? you're not the dictator of the world. and guess what else? this is exactly why stereos have EQ controls on them.

also youre making a pretty big assumption that nobody but you apparently, 'knows what they are doing' when they use an EQ. besides the simple EQing that might just involve turning up bass due to personal preferences (which is entirely someones business if they have that preferences and do that), some people here might actually know some things about EQ and employ it in their system to counteract some deficit in either their system itself or their listening environment.

 

but it was pretty obvious that none of this had anything at all to do with the OP which was about surgically eqing tracks to more clearly reveal quiet sounds. but ya know, even if someone wanted to be wack and only listen to AE tracks with super exaggerated eq curves like that, it's still their business. even if AE themselves disapproved, it's like sorry AE, theres nothing in my purchase of your music that includes a contractual agreement that i never eq these tracks.

 

especially not when its ok for these artists to reappropriate sounds from other artists before them in the form of sampling. if sampling can be an art, why can't 'creative eqing'? maybe i like using wild eq settings to make my own ghetto remixes of tracks when i play them. who appointed you king dictator of how other people can listen to music?

Why did you have to bump this thread?

 

In my defense I wrote this crap like 5 years ago.

MisterE:

 

Yeah, I know what is masking. I have been producing and mixing music and studying stuff for several years (nothing special yet, but I got the theory sorted).

 

I also realize that it is completely possible to intentionally hide sounds in tracks. No problem here, I do it all the time (I love dense mixes).

 

However, the "jazz" in acroyear2 convinced me that the OP was discovering America. That is why I wrote what I wrote.

 

It is, of course, completely possible to discover new stuff in music by heavy EQ tweaks, but the "jazz" in acroyear2 and "hidden" synth at the end of LCC are both so explicitly obvious that only fucked up, muddy EQ or really shit speakers/cans could mask it so heavily (or listening to Ae as a background music while cooking...).

 

And of course, if somebody finds something aesthetically pleasing in Logitech speakers accompanied with an exaggerated sub-woofer that's perfectly OK because tastes are completely subjective (same for the EQ settings).

 

However, not hearing the "jazz" in acroyear2 and the synth at the end of LCC is not subjective (well, of course it could be subjective too, but I don't want to discuss the state of mind or other psychological stuff).

 

So I hope I explained it better now.

 

Anyway, I don't want to bash somebody for using their EQ as they please (sorry OP). I just find it a bit sad that people have no idea what they are doing to the music they listen to and what they are missing.

 

As a producer, I find it demotivating that people take music (often unknowingly) so carelessly. There is so much into it, especially in experimental music such as Ae's.

 

Oh and sorry for my English (just in case).

Edited May 12, 2014 by Jev

  On 5/12/2014 at 1:33 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

Why did you have to bump this thread?

 

 

Sorry man, I needed to express my unease.

The man who discovers hidden stuff is the happy one, be it buried or not.