Burial & Four Tet - Moth / Wolf Cub

if you have no problem with SAW2, or brian eno, or stars of the lid, or keith fullerton whitman, or a million other things considered ambient, minimal, or some other analogue, i see no reason why you should find burial boring. is it because it's supposed to be dubstep or garage or even more generally again 'dance music'?

i unashamedly love burial, and it's not because of any technicality in the music - it's because of how it sounds in my ears, and what that makes me feel in my brain.

  nene multiple assgasms said:

how overhyped an artist is shouldn't affect your appreciation of their music at all. I don't find burial boring. the mood and atmosphere keep things interesting.

When I mistook the song "Raver" for three separate songs on that album, I realized how dull it was. For some reason the labels on all the LPs were fucked up... so the orders were all wrong.

I used to listen to Raver quite a bit on CD, and after mistaking that song from other songs on the album I realized that the whole album pretty much sounded the same.

Once you get by his reverb door knocks... there really isn't anything interesting about his music, at least for me.

His first album could be better though, I have yet to really give it a chance.

  kaini said:

if you have no problem with SAW2, or brian eno, or stars of the lid, or keith fullerton whitman, or a million other things considered ambient, minimal, or some other analogue, i see no reason why you should find burial boring. is it because it's supposed to be dubstep or garage or even more generally again 'dance music'?

 

i unashamedly love burial, and it's not because of any technicality in the music - it's because of how it sounds in my ears, and what that makes me feel in my brain.

I think it is because Burial is a very different thing to me than SAWII, or Eno, or early Tangrine Dream, or fennesz, or any other ambient music. They are striking in how minimal and subtle and ethereal and transporting they are.

Burial is not total rubbish. I was a bit harsh. But I just don't think he's particularly interesting either.

Burial's been a bit hit and miss for me all the time, but you gotta hand it to him, he can make some great ambient, atmospheric tracks, I like those ones the best. Tracks like Shell of Light are flawless too though, it's of course, not that beat oriented, you can't even call it dubstep really, but it's real immersive music, when it hits the right spot.

  karmakramer said:

  nene multiple assgasms said:

how overhyped an artist is shouldn't affect your appreciation of their music at all. I don't find burial boring. the mood and atmosphere keep things interesting.

 

When I mistook the song "Raver" for three separate songs on that album, I realized how dull it was. For some reason the labels on all the LPs were fucked up... so the orders were all wrong.

this - i do not understand. raver is the last track, and it's the only one in a straight (non-swung, non-syncopated) rhythm. it is possibly the only released burial track in a strict, straight 4/4 beat (loosely, maybe unite from box of dub might count as well - the only track verifiably made in a sequencer - logic by my reckoning. again possibly barring raver).

i have a suspicion raver and unite were actually both made in burial's sole flirtation with a sequencer

  kaini said:

  karmakramer said:

  nene multiple assgasms said:

how overhyped an artist is shouldn't affect your appreciation of their music at all. I don't find burial boring. the mood and atmosphere keep things interesting.

 

When I mistook the song "Raver" for three separate songs on that album, I realized how dull it was. For some reason the labels on all the LPs were fucked up... so the orders were all wrong.

 

this - i do not understand. raver is the last track, and it's the only one in a straight (non-swung, non-syncopated) rhythm. it is possibly the only released burial track in a strict, straight 4/4 beat (loosely, maybe unite from box of dub might count as well - the only track verifiably made in a sequencer - logic by my reckoning. again possibly barring raver).

 

i have a suspicion raver and unite were actually both made in burial's sole flirtation with a sequencer

Let me clarify... I listened to Burial when the album originally came out... then about 6 months later I picked up the LP... and when I went to listen to "Raver" because the LP labels was messed up... it took me 4 tries before I found it. I actually listened to a good portion into some of the songs before coming to any conclusion on which track it might be.

The whole event was just very confusing at the time, and I sold the LP used a few months later, after basically realizing how forgettable the album really was.

This is of course all my opinion.

it is utter insanity to assume that Burial is telling the truth when he says he doesn't use a sequencer.

has anyone here not used the swing feature before in a sequencer? it's featured quite heavily in most of his tracks

I really find it amazing how many people really believe Burial uses only sound forge to compose his tracks, i guess this makes it more interesting to listen to his music?

  Lianne said:

And Burial is just plain overhyped and boring.

i think if he wasn't as overhyped there wouldn't be so much criticism of him. Not necessarily his fault for being so overhyped but it is his fault for using auto-tune on most of his acepella tracks on Hyperdub and that alone makes that album sound awful to me. I enjoy his first LP but I'm not into the whole recycling R&b or really any acepella's in general on electronic music stuff i think its a terrible fucking trend that needs to stop

where does a pirate find this?????????

I love Burial, but this track sounds boring. ;s

you gotta admit it's strong stuff though,

my favorite tracks instantly put me in a very particular (and peculiar) mindset which is hard to describe, but it's something along the lines of

"long (seemingly endless) summer nights, with a feeling of infinite possibility, mixed with loneliness"

i would say the first album has more concentrated strong points of this feeling, but the second definitely has its moments.

  Awepittance said:

  GORDO said:

someone teach burial another beat

 

the more i think about it, early four tet was a lot like what burial does. just getting the most out of arranging precious samples on a shitty dell or something.

  sneaksta303 said:

  Awepittance said:

  GORDO said:

someone teach burial another beat

 

  Awepittance said:

it is utter insanity to assume that Burial is telling the truth when he says he doesn't use a sequencer.

has anyone here not used the swing feature before in a sequencer? it's featured quite heavily in most of his tracks

I really find it amazing how many people really believe Burial uses only sound forge to compose his tracks, i guess this makes it more interesting to listen to his music?

i absolutely believe all of his tracks could be made in soundforge, and i don't understand why you think it's absurd to think so

  beneboi said:

  Awepittance said:

it is utter insanity to assume that Burial is telling the truth when he says he doesn't use a sequencer.

has anyone here not used the swing feature before in a sequencer? it's featured quite heavily in most of his tracks

I really find it amazing how many people really believe Burial uses only sound forge to compose his tracks, i guess this makes it more interesting to listen to his music?

 

i absolutely believe all of his tracks could be made in soundforge, and i don't understand why you think it's absurd to think so

ok ok they could technically be but its just odd to place this much faith in interviews of such an intentionally mysterious figure, don't you think?

Even if it is based on some misguided fanboyism like

'woah fuckin cool this guy Burial limits the HELL out of himself when he makes music, i did that shit when i first got a wave editor at age 12 but jesus this guy is probably in his 20s and still doing this INSANE MAN!'

also why would someone want to work in a destructive audio editing environment (cooledit, soundforge, peak) as opposed to a non destructive one (acid, cubase, abelton) when a non destructive one is just as easy to use? When i was trying to make tracks soley with Cooledit i only did so because i didn't know any better. Adding all the large expansive reverbs he does on his tracks would be quite a mess and very difficult to manage if imprinting it/rendering it with only an 'undo' to be able to modify it after the fact, why would he do this? To me it it would be much easier to just claim you do this in interviews to seem weird and crazy rather than actually doing it.

i guess i just think it's like a child believing in santa claus because their parents told them, come on benboi you're too smart to automatically believe this

  Awepittance said:

also why would someone want to work in a destructive audio editing environment (cooledit, soundforge, peak) as opposed to a non destructive one (acid, cubase, abelton) when a non destructive one is just as easy to use? When i was trying to make tracks soley with Cooledit i only did so because i didn't know any better.

Why not? There's a lot to be said for working in a manner that is almost completely restrictive and not how people usually think about creating art. Look at Oulipo, and Outrapo.

actually it's a bit like believing aphex writes tunes in his sleep studio and was making synths at age six or whatever

  zaphod said:

actually it's a bit like believing aphex writes tunes in his sleep studio and was making synths at age six or whatever

yeah exactly. it's astounding to me the gullibility the idm music community still has

  Dan C said:

  Awepittance said:

also why would someone want to work in a destructive audio editing environment (cooledit, soundforge, peak) as opposed to a non destructive one (acid, cubase, abelton) when a non destructive one is just as easy to use? When i was trying to make tracks soley with Cooledit i only did so because i didn't know any better.

 

Why not? There's a lot to be said for working in a manner that is almost completely restrictive and not how people usually think about creating art. Look at Oulipo, and Outrapo.

sure there is, there is A LOT to be said for it, but not much to SHOW is there? Has Burial released a video of him working in sound forge? no. but you do automatically believe his word? Yes

Outrapo on the other hand is a publically visible theater collective that openly shows in real-time the limitations of their ideas in play.

And don't get me wrong im not bashing the concept of limiting yourself for creative purposes, im bashing the concept of fanboyism bringing forth extreme faith & gullibility because it makes the music more interesting in your mind.

It's like when certain people on this group were disappointed when they saw screen shots of how autechre works because 'i always imagined their music was all synthesized in real-time now im disappointed'

I agree with you about the gullibility, blind faith and fanboyism that seems to go around, it's all quite laughable.

  Dan C said:

I agree with you about the gullibility, blind faith and fanboyism that seems to go around, it's all quite laughable.

i guess you could call me a bigtime cynic but for the most part i think its erring on the safe side to assume most of these ridiculous claims by electronic musicians are carrying on in the tradition of aphex twin gleefully lying to the gullible interviewer.

when i first read afx interviews i was really taken with how much he effortlessly lied and seem to have fun doing so, as a misanthroic teenager i found this pretty fucking awesome.

I think a good degree of cynicism is healthy, especially when it comes to stuff like this.

I think the samples of this 12" sounded excellent (of course I'm a big fan of both guys involved). I was able to preorder a copy from Norman records if anyone is looking for one...

As far as what software Burial uses, I could care less. (I would hope this is the last thing a listener would even consider when listening to my own music- it just doesn't matter). What's important is the music itself and the feelings/mood it evokes...

  The Green Kingdom said:

As far as what software Burial uses, I could care less. (I would hope this is the last thing a listener would even consider when listening to my own music- it just doesn't matter).

if you Green Kingdom claimed in interviews you used Sound Forge to cut and paste overlap sequence your music then yes a good number of fans like myself who have what's referred to as skepticism will probably tear apart that claim, but it probably won't have any effect on how we percieve your music because well it was made up in the first place

  ieafs said:

i believe him... the reason why he does that is because that's what he's used to.

i mean this is really no different from a Christian trying to prove that Jesus existed. it's possible a man named jesus christ walked the earth, im not disputing that claim but the likelihood that he did or performed miracles is very low and is much more fun to talk about than the actual events that took place

I think Burial is probably someone else semi famous fucking around under a different alias and playing up all these really intensely backwards production techniques just to throw people for a loop. <--- my personal opinion

if it's going to take more than me dropping in and telling you guys that Santa Claus is made up then this is my last post.