Autechre why are there always widely-p2p'd fakes of autechre albums before they come out?

  On 1/29/2010 at 6:49 PM, hahathhat said:

fakes are due to camoflaged jamacians. i get a bit high and are all like ehehehe.

 

edit: full disclosure, a couple years ago i created marilyn manson right when he had some coming out. it was constructed out of granuled samples and an IBM. the result was, a lot funnier than a autechre album.

  On 1/29/2010 at 12:51 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

  On 1/28/2010 at 11:11 PM, hot for baphomet said:

autechre has been pointless for years.

Why do you even post?

why do any of us communicate with other human beings when the undeniable truth lurks inside of us? vanity? the perpetual quest for knowledge? the lulz?

autechre nowadays is like seeing an old ex-girlfriend that you really loved go off the deep end and date a lineage of losers. you keep your heart and your mind open and keep hoping that she'll eventually do alright, hell, maybe one day she'll shock the shit out of you and you'll ask her out again.

i'm not an autechre hater by any means. believe you me, i wanna hit that bitch one more time and feel the love of the early years.

autechre was brilliant when they deconstructed dance music and hiphop and essentially mechanized the whole process of making those styles of music. now i believe they're deconstructing themselves and it's sad to hear how the one-mighty have fallen.

  On 1/28/2010 at 11:58 PM, Awepittance said:

What i did not expect though was a shit load of people saying they preferred my fake Untilted over the real thing.

even though i knew thehauntingsoul would be mad at me for bringing up this topic (in under 20 minutes on this sub-forum i noticed that he was the big autechre guy on campus) i didn't ask this question mockingly or meaning to condemn the fakes themselves. moreover, i think it speaks to the very nature of what autechre's music has been in that, example, people aren't grabbing a 303 emulator and putting out united acid emirates fakes a few weeks ago. perhaps it's because ceephax has a "signature sound" whereas autechre strives to constantly destroy any and all sounds and/or notions of the standard structure of music in making... whatever you want to call their music.

awhile back i conjectured that autechre reminds me of some old pink floyd stuff, the way 10+ different little/ish sounds would evolve throughout the course of a song. with them, though, i think they truly need a "hook" in a danceable-track-vibe in order to fully maximize their potential. when you listen to music and your head is hooked to nodding to a beat, it's kind of like the small world ride at disneyland/disneyworld. once you're on those tracks, you can look all around the different rooms and spot out the attention to detail all over the place because you're thoughlessly anchored to those tracks. now if you were swimming through those small world rooms, well, you have to focus a good deal of energy on staying afloat yourself and then short of repeated visits through the ride/tracks it's going to be hard to notice all of those technical details that are awry all over the place.

now that quote i took from you, awepittance, that *IS* quite the condemnation of autechre and an epic win which begets great justice for you :)

  On 1/29/2010 at 2:17 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 1/29/2010 at 2:03 AM, Lianne said:

and if people suddenly change their minds when they discover those fakes weren't by Autechre, they're not listening to music properly.

 

exactly.

somewhere in tussville clan tregaskin is smiling. their "lesson" for the idm world has been learned.

there's actually a pretty decently sized "collective" of brits doing music anonymously:

http://www.myspace.com/digitalvomitcollective - i'm 95% sure that the track "rich uncle skeleton" is aphex twin, however a perfunctory glance around http://www.digitalvomit.com reveals that the aforementioned track is from an acid compilation EP that took all of the tracks and assigned them to other artist names on the project. actually, http://www.myspace.com/richuncleskeleton doesn't sound like aphex twin, but the "star prototype RUS mashup" is ace and worth a proper nicking via totalrecorder

http://www.myspace.com/timothydalton007 - i believe the greek 7" mix to be the work of jimmy cauty of the KLF. there were odd circumstances of which i came across this page and they point to the KLF. incidentally, you can download the greek 7" mix at http://www.bubblegunner.com (go to downloads then timothy dalton 007) and that is my #1 song for 2009

http://www.myspace.com/biginalbania - i think she wolves of london is by shitmat or soundmurderer or someone. i think shitmat is tied in with the collective. although the track "shitty dance music will tear us apart" is the #1 on that player. if you dig around some "big in albania" played a couple of shows, but from what i gathered they have anonymous patsies playing music that someone else made.

for an added bonus, on that digital vomit collective myspace page take a look at their avatar and tell me if that looks like anyone you might know :)

woops malfunction! i meant to add under the timothy dalton 007 part that the track seems to have been put up circa may of 09, and timothy dalton ended up being lord president rassilon in the last doctor who special, which wreeks of time lord treachery :)

jimmy cauty of the KLF made top of the pops under the moniker "the timelords" with the song "doctorin the tardis" so maybe he's got some friends on the new show and knew that timothy dalton was going to be a prominent timelord and thusly attributed this track to him.

  On 1/30/2010 at 12:21 PM, hot for baphomet said:

  On 1/29/2010 at 12:51 AM, thehauntingsoul said:

  On 1/28/2010 at 11:11 PM, hot for baphomet said:

autechre has been pointless for years.

Why do you even post?

 

why do any of us communicate with other human beings when the undeniable truth lurks inside of us? vanity? the perpetual quest for knowledge? the lulz?

 

autechre nowadays is like seeing an old ex-girlfriend that you really loved go off the deep end and date a lineage of losers. you keep your heart and your mind open and keep hoping that she'll eventually do alright, hell, maybe one day she'll shock the shit out of you and you'll ask her out again.

 

i'm not an autechre hater by any means. believe you me, i wanna hit that bitch one more time and feel the love of the early years.

 

autechre was brilliant when they deconstructed dance music and hiphop and essentially mechanized the whole process of making those styles of music. now i believe they're deconstructing themselves and it's sad to hear how the one-mighty have fallen.

nice quadruple post dude. while this is a great analogy, i must disagree. i think they are still deconstructing just in a much bigger way. all the stuff that sounds so inapproachable really isnt. there are great beats all over confield, draft and untilted. maybe they take awhile to sink in or bubble to the surface but they are certainly there. thy are never going to make amber or inc again, but their latest output seems to me like they are coming back to earth a bit. if their career was a big arc moving further and further away from inc than confield is probably the apex and they have been getting back towards a bit of accessibility. we shall see with oversteps.

While on the discussion of fakes and Autechre similarities.... I just grabbed Robert Logan's "Inscape"... this might just be able to hold me over for a couple weeks.

(i hope)

  On 1/30/2010 at 4:37 PM, gl0tch said:

While on the discussion of fakes and Autechre similarities.... I just grabbed Robert Logan's "Inscape"... this might just be able to hold me over for a couple weeks.

 

(i hope)

that dude is insanely talented

  On 1/30/2010 at 6:27 AM, jules said:

  On 1/29/2010 at 6:49 PM, hahathhat said:

fakes are due to camoflaged jamacians. i get a bit high and are all like ehehehe.

 

edit: full disclosure, a couple years ago i created marilyn manson right when he had some coming out. it was constructed out of granuled samples and an IBM. the result was, a lot funnier than a autechre album.

i, er, have been edited? i fail to see what you're doing here

edit: wish they'd used dalton for more bond films

  On 1/30/2010 at 5:04 PM, hahathhat said:

  On 1/30/2010 at 6:27 AM, jules said:

  On 1/29/2010 at 6:49 PM, hahathhat said:

fakes are due to camoflaged jamacians. i get a bit high and are all like ehehehe.

 

edit: full disclosure, a couple years ago i created marilyn manson right when he had some coming out. it was constructed out of granuled samples and an IBM. the result was, a lot funnier than a autechre album.

 

i, er, have been edited? i fail to see what you're doing here

 

edit: wish they'd used dalton for more bond films

yea man, sorry. i have no idea either.

  On 1/30/2010 at 4:37 PM, gl0tch said:

I just grabbed Robert Logan's "Inscape"...

Thanks for mentioning it, going to check it out. I'm hurting for new interesting electronic music these days.

Cognessence is killer, I still need to get Inscape...

  On 1/28/2010 at 11:11 PM, hot for baphomet said:

honestly, why autechre? sure there was fake tuss stuff but that was only because the tuss was nebulously defined in the first place. what is it about autechre that makes people slag off on random superglitch TIME AND TIME AGAIN? i mean without fail a few months before a new LP comes out there's invariably a widely distrobuted fake of complete and utter superglitched up bullshit, and then the new LP comes out and it's, well, divine intervention. i dare not call it superglitched up bullshit.

 

(i would contend that it's because anyone can technically (insert how many bits in a certain sound here) do what autechre does now, it's just that they're not autechre and so they won't get worshipped by the legions. autechre has been pointless for years. * falls on fanboy sword *)

 

i tend to think some people are having fun at the expense of contemporary autechre fans and making social commentary on they're *really* listening to.

I love how everyone who disses ae immediately throws the fanboy thing in as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Can't fathom that other people have different taste to you? I like all Autechre but personally I think the later half of their career is far superior to the first half. I could live without Incun, Amber, Tri Rep, even Chiastic but I am fucking obsessed by Draft and Quaristice. If, as you claim, "anyone" could do what they did on those records then I'd be glad if you could start making me some records that are as good as those two. I'll even pay you.

djimbe made some good points.

  On 2/1/2010 at 10:35 AM, Greg Reason said:

I love how everyone who disses ae immediately throws the fanboy thing in as a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Another get-out-of-jail-free card is assuming that music not in your window of personal taste is random and just noise. that goes for a lot more music than just electronic. Hell, most people can't even follow the beat when you spin them something like haitian or ghanaian drumming, and that's played by hand. Some people levy similar criticisms at metal, or other genres of music with thick and complex textures or rhythms. I suppose if you don't work with the tools or listen to that kind of rhythmic work a lot, you might not pick up on the patterns.. Whatev.

  On 2/1/2010 at 3:04 PM, TwiddleBot said:

  On 2/1/2010 at 10:35 AM, Greg Reason said:

I love how everyone who disses ae immediately throws the fanboy thing in as a get-out-of-jail-free card.

 

Another get-out-of-jail-free card is assuming that music not in your window of personal taste is random and just noise. that goes for a lot more music than just electronic. Hell, most people can't even follow the beat when you spin them something like haitian or ghanaian drumming, and that's played by hand. Some people levy similar criticisms at metal, or other genres of music with thick and complex textures or rhythms. I suppose if you don't work with the tools or listen to that kind of rhythmic work a lot, you might not pick up on the patterns.. Whatev.

I think more folk are upset about how "non musical" the later era ae stuff is more than the complexity of the rhythms. The lack of overt song structure really gets to some people, and it's easy for them to write it off as having less effort than something with a more obvious layout.

What people forget to take into account is discretion. Not "anyone" can make an ae record because there are editorial things that go on that reflect the taste of Rob and Sean; the things they choose to include or exclude, what synth/drum machine patches they use, what compressors and delays they process with, what reverbs they use (CRUCIAL for ae!!), how long one track is versus the next etc. These aesthetic considerations are not something everyone has an ear for. All it takes is one thing to be wrong to take away from the mood and effectiveness of a piece of art.

So what we're left down to is a question of taste. I happen to like abstract music of all kinds so I really enjoy stuff like 'Fol3', 'Theswere' and 'Subrange' but I can perfectly understand why other people wouldn't like them. That's fair enough. But saying that anyone can do it is just fucking stupid. That's like saying anyone can make a David Lynch film because there's no discernible plot.

  On 2/1/2010 at 3:45 PM, Greg Reason said:

  On 2/1/2010 at 3:04 PM, TwiddleBot said:

  On 2/1/2010 at 10:35 AM, Greg Reason said:

I love how everyone who disses ae immediately throws the fanboy thing in as a get-out-of-jail-free card.

 

Another get-out-of-jail-free card is assuming that music not in your window of personal taste is random and just noise. that goes for a lot more music than just electronic. Hell, most people can't even follow the beat when you spin them something like haitian or ghanaian drumming, and that's played by hand. Some people levy similar criticisms at metal, or other genres of music with thick and complex textures or rhythms. I suppose if you don't work with the tools or listen to that kind of rhythmic work a lot, you might not pick up on the patterns.. Whatev.

 

I think more folk are upset about how "non musical" the later era ae stuff is more than the complexity of the rhythms. The lack of overt song structure really gets to some people, and it's easy for them to write it off as having less effort than something with a more obvious layout.

 

What people forget to take into account is discretion. Not "anyone" can make an ae record because there are editorial things that go on that reflect the taste of Rob and Sean; the things they choose to include or exclude, what synth/drum machine patches they use, what compressors and delays they process with, what reverbs they use (CRUCIAL for ae!!), how long one track is versus the next etc. These aesthetic considerations are not something everyone has an ear for. All it takes is one thing to be wrong to take away from the mood and effectiveness of a piece of art.

 

So what we're left down to is a question of taste. I happen to like abstract music of all kinds so I really enjoy stuff like 'Fol3', 'Theswere' and 'Subrange' but I can perfectly understand why other people wouldn't like them. That's fair enough. But saying that anyone can do it is just fucking stupid. That's like saying anyone can make a David Lynch film because there's no discernible plot.

This!!!

  On 2/1/2010 at 3:45 PM, Greg Reason said:

Not "anyone" can make an ae record because there are editorial things that go on that reflect the taste of Rob and Sean

hmm, what about if say, i released an album like quaristice? or if it just suddenly popped up out of nowhere by some random artist? is it just because of the context (ie. being released by autechre) that people ejaculate over it?

i mean, i'm guilty of this as well, i'm sure if quaristice wasn't autechre i probably wouldn't give it a second chance.

I can't answer for everyone but I listen to fuckloads of unknown/underground artists. Doesn't bother me so long as the music is good. I'm gonna go on the record and say I really like the fake Oversteps, I think it's fantastic. Sounds more like Coil for the most part than ae do but it's clearly the work of someone who is very good at making electronica. So even when it's shown to be a fake I'll still be listening to it.

  On 2/2/2010 at 3:57 AM, Greg Reason said:

I can't answer for everyone but I listen to fuckloads of unknown/underground artists. Doesn't bother me so long as the music is good. I'm gonna go on the record and say I really like the fake Oversteps, I think it's fantastic. Sounds more like Coil for the most part than ae do but it's clearly the work of someone who is very good at making electronica. So even when it's shown to be a fake I'll still be listening to it.

the latest one? i like it too. leaps and bounds beyond the altered carbon one.

To be honest, I have no idea which fake I have, I didn't even know there were four different ones until I read that article today cause everyone's using the same bloody track names dammit! The one I have starts with a fairly ambient track that sounds like somethin from Love's Secret Domain era Coil then follows with a more typical ae sounding thing.

I downloaded what I think people say are the spanish(?) one. it was shite.

You know, before I joined WATMM, I read on another messageboard that the users of WATMM were recording and releasing a fake Autechre album with all the same names as the real album - not so much to deceive, as just kind of a fun project in playing with preconceptions.

(The forum where I read this had actually done this a few years ago, with ... erm, a U2 album of all things. They took all the leaked names of the U2 album tracks and recorded what they thought were *better* pieces of music to suit those names than whatever U2 would come out with.)

So I was actually slightly gutted when I came over here and saw this wasn't the case.

OK, i don't know which two of the four?? i have but I do like some of what I've heard.

but i tend to listen to pretty much any music that comes across my way a few times, autechre or not. as I'm sure others who do the same can attest, it's surprising how much music you find yourself getting into when you use that kind of listening strategy.

  On 2/2/2010 at 4:28 PM, Masonic Boom said:

You know, before I joined WATMM, I read on another messageboard that the users of WATMM were recording and releasing a fake Autechre album with all the same names as the real album - not so much to deceive, as just kind of a fun project in playing with preconceptions.

 

(The forum where I read this had actually done this a few years ago, with ... erm, a U2 album of all things. They took all the leaked names of the U2 album tracks and recorded what they thought were *better* pieces of music to suit those names than whatever U2 would come out with.)

 

So I was actually slightly gutted when I came over here and saw this wasn't the case.

well if members of watmm wanted to do this, they probably would keep it on the downlow and only enlist help of the most autechery and technically proficient members. then release the album in secret and when the real oversteps comes out a major LOL thread at all the people who didn't order the real OV.

what i'm saying is that this still could be true, maybe they're hard at work in the LTM forum and mcgriff/essinesees is the real fake ae mastermind