Autechre why are there always widely-p2p'd fakes of autechre albums before they come out?

to say that anyone could make music like autechre is downright foolish. they're not just smashing their computer keyboards, there's an immeasurable amount of talent that goes into it. that said, many of their techniques are becoming popular and it's certainly much easier to emulate some of their sounds. still, i dare you to come close to that sound!

@Awepittance: could you please give a tip as to where this Untilted fake could be found? I googled but no results so far. And uh, I'm not friends with slsk.

Edited February 2, 2010 by etis atis

i've decided to just put up temporarily for free my Fluorescent grey - lying on the floor mingling with god in a tijuana motel room CD

 

you can get it here - http://www.payloadz.com/d1?txn_id=PL507BCE934D23438

 

the first 5-6 tracks were used on my Untilted fake, otherwise just listen to it on it's own merits. It wasn't made with the intention of faking AE fans, that came long after i finished it. let me know if that link runs out

Edited February 3, 2010 by Awepittance

downloading it now, cheers!

  On 2/3/2010 at 12:28 AM, Awepittance said:

i've decided to just put up temporarily for free my Fluorescent grey - lying on the floor mingling with god in a tijuana motel room CD

 

you can get it here - http://www.payloadz.com/d1?txn_id=PL507BCE934D23438

 

the first 5-6 tracks were used on my Untilted fake, otherwise just listen to it on it's own merits. It wasn't made with the intention of faking AE fans, that came long after i finished it. let me know if that link runs out

 

 

its expired already. id love to check it out

http://www.payloadz.com/d1/?txn_id=PL533C43B4AEE1480 try this one

It's nice to finally give this a proper listen. I keep thinking I'm hearing some first wave industrial artist influence in there (if I played the kabuki track for the right friends they would wonder if NWW just met the schematic label).. Anyway thanks for sharing!

Hmm, I want the Draft fake that was *supposedly* an alternate album by ae themselves. I've yet to find an interview where they own up to it but the consensus was that they made the fake as well and didn't tell people until wel after the official one came out and everyone had already deleted the fake...

sounds like an urban legend, where did this consensus take place?

 

 

the only time AE owns up to making any kind of fake is in the interview where they talk shit about me personally 'we've made fakes before, but not this time' - Sean Booth

anybody still having trouble downloading the second link to my Lying on the floor lp?

  On 2/3/2010 at 5:49 AM, Awepittance said:

sounds like an urban legend, where did this consensus take place?

 

 

the only time AE owns up to making any kind of fake is in the interview where they talk shit about me personally 'we've made fakes before, but not this time' - Sean Booth

 

Haha, you took that personally eh?

  On 2/3/2010 at 9:49 AM, Awepittance said:

anybody still having trouble downloading the second link to my Lying on the floor lp?

 

yes

Awepittance: huge thanks man, there was no problem for me downloading it. And your latest work (that is IEM) is great too, I think I can obviously recognize snippets of Untilted here and there throughout the album. (:

  On 2/1/2010 at 9:37 PM, modey said:

  On 2/1/2010 at 3:45 PM, Greg Reason said:

Not "anyone" can make an ae record because there are editorial things that go on that reflect the taste of Rob and Sean

hmm, what about if say, i released an album like quaristice? or if it just suddenly popped up out of nowhere by some random artist? is it just because of the context (ie. being released by autechre) that people ejaculate over it?

 

i mean, i'm guilty of this as well, i'm sure if quaristice wasn't autechre i probably wouldn't give it a second chance.

 

Really? I mean, what's clear here is - you don't like Quaristice :)

 

However, a point that has been floated more than once in this topic - that 'if we think it's Autechre, we tend to like it more' - has been held up as some kind of 'AHA! GOT YOU!' moment, but doesn't really gel with the way things work.

 

Perception is a huge issue in music, and the biggest hurdle for a new artist. Nobody usually says what I'm about to say, because it seems so obvious, but when you listen to material from an established artist, you come at it reasonably expecting various things: (a) a lack of technical mistakes (b) that it's arrived the way it was intended to / you're more tolerant of the artist's conception of themselves, and will not credit goodness to 'accidents' or flukes © you also relate it to the artist's previous work.

 

These things are unavoidable, practical and real. If you give the same record from a major artist to 2 reviewers blind, one who knows them, and one who's told it's from a new artist, you're far more likely to find technical criticisms, an embiggening (!) of the reviewer's taste VS the record and sometimes more patronising attitude in the review from the guy who thought the artist was totally green. This demonstrates both subjectivity, but also is a symptom deception. You did deceive the guy to whom you told the wrong thing. And this is real, it's not like he was fooled. So when people do fakes, they may be just being mischevious, or they may be trying to prove a point, but the upshot is they have traded on the validly earned reputation of the band they're faking. Over 15 years, Autechre have well and truly earned their reputation.

 

Another example: I don't know if you guys know indie artist and blind review site garageband.com, but my friend and I had a theory that on there, if you put up some Autechre tracks anonymously in the 'experimental electronica' category that weren't recognised, that in the blind review shootouts, Autechre probably wouldn't make it out of the first round. That's the the power of more immediate transparency in music in such a situation. So again, this isn't a fault of Autechre or garageband, but it demonstrates the point that it is because Autechre have earned their reputation, we are prepared to give their tracks longer listens, which tend to be necessary to appreciate them. Garageband simply isn't the best environment for that kind of music.

 

There are many other examples of the blind shootout test inall arts areas. A famous Australian one was when some people submitted the opening chapter of a super famous Patrick White novel to all the major publishers as if it was new, and they all both failed to recognise and rejected it.

  On 2/4/2010 at 4:29 AM, djimbe said:

  On 2/1/2010 at 9:37 PM, modey said:

  On 2/1/2010 at 3:45 PM, Greg Reason said:

Not "anyone" can make an ae record because there are editorial things that go on that reflect the taste of Rob and Sean

hmm, what about if say, i released an album like quaristice? or if it just suddenly popped up out of nowhere by some random artist? is it just because of the context (ie. being released by autechre) that people ejaculate over it?

 

i mean, i'm guilty of this as well, i'm sure if quaristice wasn't autechre i probably wouldn't give it a second chance.

 

Really? I mean, what's clear here is - you don't like Quaristice :)

 

However, a point that has been floated more than once in this topic - that 'if we think it's Autechre, we tend to like it more' - has been held up as some kind of 'AHA! GOT YOU!' moment, but doesn't really gel with the way things work.

 

Perception is a huge issue in music, and the biggest hurdle for a new artist. Nobody usually says what I'm about to say, because it seems so obvious, but when you listen to material from an established artist, you come at it reasonably expecting various things: (a) a lack of technical mistakes (b) that it's arrived the way it was intended to / you're more tolerant of the artist's conception of themselves, and will not credit goodness to 'accidents' or flukes © you also relate it to the artist's previous work.

 

These things are unavoidable, practical and real. If you give the same record from a major artist to 2 reviewers blind, one who knows them, and one who's told it's from a new artist, you're far more likely to find technical criticisms, an embiggening (!) of the reviewer's taste VS the record and sometimes more patronising attitude in the review from the guy who thought the artist was totally green. This demonstrates both subjectivity, but also is a symptom deception. You did deceive the guy to whom you told the wrong thing. And this is real, it's not like he was fooled. So when people do fakes, they may be just being mischevious, or they may be trying to prove a point, but the upshot is they have traded on the validly earned reputation of the band they're faking. Over 15 years, Autechre have well and truly earned their reputation.

 

Another example: I don't know if you guys know indie artist and blind review site garageband.com, but my friend and I had a theory that on there, if you put up some Autechre tracks anonymously in the 'experimental electronica' category that weren't recognised, that in the blind review shootouts, Autechre probably wouldn't make it out of the first round. That's the the power of more immediate transparency in music in such a situation. So again, this isn't a fault of Autechre or garageband, but it demonstrates the point that it is because Autechre have earned their reputation, we are prepared to give their tracks longer listens, which tend to be necessary to appreciate them. Garageband simply isn't the best environment for that kind of music.

 

There are many other examples of the blind shootout test inall arts areas. A famous Australian one was when some people submitted the opening chapter of a super famous Patrick White novel to all the major publishers as if it was new, and they all both failed to recognise and rejected it.

Good read! This explains a bunch of ideas I've had that I hadn't really been able to put to words. I suppose personal taste sort of plays into it. While I might not feel incentive to try to appreciate the track if it was released by someone else, the fact that it has the Ae branding makes me want to put the effort in almost out of respect for them. You can get into the groove with just about any type of music if you give it enough tries, and hence I'm listening to a type of song I probably would never have otherwise.

 

To those of you who think it's a cheap shot, or stupid of Ae fans to enjoy something just because it's Ae, just remember that they have quite clearly demonstrated their quality over the years. It's not that people like it just because its Autechre, it's more that people put the time in because they know how rewarding it will ultimately be.

Edited February 4, 2010 by thehauntingsoul

  On 2/4/2010 at 4:29 AM, djimbe said:

 

Perception is a huge issue in music, and the biggest hurdle for a new artist. Nobody usually says what I'm about to say, because it seems so obvious, but when you listen to material from an established artist, you come at it reasonably expecting various things: (a) a lack of technical mistakes (b) that it's arrived the way it was intended to / you're more tolerant of the artist's conception of themselves, and will not credit goodness to 'accidents' or flukes © you also relate it to the artist's previous work.

 

Very interesting post. the whole perception thing doesn´t only work with art stuff. a few years ago i read an article about a sexual attraction test. people were shown a picture of a naked person from behind and you couldn´t see the head. the question was if that person was sexually interesting to you. i could be a woman, but it also could have been a guy. some people said "yep, attractive body, nice ass etc.", other people didn´t like the body and some (or the most, i don´t know) said that they couldn´t aswer the question without knowing the gender of that person. a straight male for example said that if that is a woman he would find that body sexually attractive, if it´s a guy then not. same thing works for art i guess.

Edited February 4, 2010 by panz0r

  On 1/29/2010 at 2:03 AM, Lianne said:

  On 1/29/2010 at 1:20 AM, Sam said:

Hate to say it, but the whole thing of putting your tunes out there assuming the guise of an established artist is shamelessly opportunistic to me. It's really cheap.

 

I don't know... There is great music out there by guys apart from Autechre, and if it's not on Warp or Planet Mu or Rephlex or whatever and if the person making it can't afford to promote it then it's not likely to get noticed. What would you rather these guys do? Spam forums with their music? Do some IDM publicity stunt? ;-) I think putting tunes out under the name of an established artist is a fair (and cheap) way of getting stuff heard. I say this because I thoroughly enjoyed the FAKE Untilted leak - and when I heard the real Untilted album, I liked that also. It's a win win situation. The truth always comes out anyway - and if people suddenly change their minds when they discover those fakes weren't by Autechre, they're not listening to music properly.

 

 

As an artist myself (not just musically), it would completely piss me off to have people faking albums of mine right before the release. Think about what it means to be an artist - like.. actually creating your own tracks and releases from top to bottom.

 

It's just a selfish way to get attention. The artist you're releasing it as has probably worked up to the point they are at by working hard and not feigning as someone else. You're basically using another band's success to get your stuff out, which, at that point, doesn't deserve to be heard. It sounds harsh but I see it as disrespectful to the band in question.

gl0tch, I really liked your fake album preview shit. If you could make an album's worth of that stuff, I would love to download it. C'mon.

  On 2/4/2010 at 3:15 PM, panz0r said:

  On 2/4/2010 at 4:29 AM, djimbe said:

 

Perception is a huge issue in music, and the biggest hurdle for a new artist. Nobody usually says what I'm about to say, because it seems so obvious, but when you listen to material from an established artist, you come at it reasonably expecting various things: (a) a lack of technical mistakes (b) that it's arrived the way it was intended to / you're more tolerant of the artist's conception of themselves, and will not credit goodness to 'accidents' or flukes © you also relate it to the artist's previous work.

 

Very interesting post. the whole perception thing doesn´t only work with art stuff. a few years ago i read an article about a sexual attraction test. people were shown a picture of a naked person from behind and you couldn´t see the head. the question was if that person was sexually interesting to you. i could be a woman, but it also could have been a guy. some people said "yep, attractive body, nice ass etc.", other people didn´t like the body and some (or the most, i don´t know) said that they couldn´t aswer the question without knowing the gender of that person. a straight male for example said that if that is a woman he would find that body sexually attractive, if it´s a guy then not. same thing works for art i guess.

+1

personally i kind of like that there's a whole bunch of "fake" oversteps albums out there. it's like a special event!

  On 2/4/2010 at 3:28 PM, mafted said:

 

It's just a selfish way to get attention.

 

 

can't avoid pointing out the obvious hypocrisy in this statement.

 

you guys do realize that we're only doing this on networks where people ILLEGALLY download music for sale.... right?

 

sure Autechre worked hard for their reputation, but you didn't work for shit to steal music somebody else put hard work into. And you really expect to not have anybody fuck with these channels of illegal distribution?

 

i also think most artists wouldn't mind at all a fan creating fakes to confuse and clog up the illegal sharing of their album.

 

  On 2/4/2010 at 3:28 PM, mafted said:

It sounds harsh but I see it as disrespectful to the band in question.

 

edit: heh, i won't go on my rant again , but is it disrespectful to steal music from an artist? because we are only fucking with people who do that, we don't walk into a store and put our CD on the shelf with an AE logo on it

Edited February 4, 2010 by Awepittance

i never said they didn't.. mind people downloading illegally.

 

some download to hear a band for the first time ... or because they lost their actual cd.

Edited February 4, 2010 by mafted

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i never said they didn't.. mind people downloading illegally.

 

some download to hear a band for the first time ... or because they lost their actual cd.

 

sure some do, but most don't and you and i both know that. I just think it's important to always mention this especially when people start to pass a kind of moral judgement on the act of hoaxing through file sharing networks.

Edited February 4, 2010 by Awepittance

  On 2/4/2010 at 8:55 PM, Awepittance said:

i also think most artists wouldn't mind at all a fan creating fakes to confuse and clog up the illegal sharing of their album.

depends if the fakes are shit.. newbs might be put off by bad fakes thinking: "wtf is this rubbish music, I'll never buy anything from this artist" whilst in fact he could be enthusiastic if he downloaded the real good stuff!