Autechre Is Autechre out of ideas?

Amorphous Androgynous much?

Out of ideas? It sounds like Ae have completely changed their modus operandi on Oversteps and Move Of Ten.

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:19 PM, sirch said:

having said that above, i don't think they're out of ideas. they'll probably keep making music for another 20 years, doing what they do.

you can't deny though that it'd be interesting to hear what they came up with if say they did limit themselves to only using 1 electric guitar, 1 acoustic guitar, a piano, a sampler, and a bunch of mics, for an album.. can you? would nobody be into anything like that at all?

personally, for their next album i'd like to see them to go off into the desert with some bongos, tamborines and melodicas, maybe a couple of recorders and a triangle, and a couple of sound recorders, take a load of acid and record their time there. now THAT i'd buy! lol.

Or, maybe they could play on harmonicas with their butt cheeks. I'd be so curious what they could come up with! Something fresh I'm sure.

id like to see their graffiti

  On 6/19/2010 at 2:12 PM, goDel said:

how about stop confusing personal feelings with general facts

Yep. People need to realize that when they're talking about Autechre in this thread, they're talking about themselves. When your knowledge of music increases, it can become harder to "enjoy" or maybe

have that life altering moment. It comes and goes for me personally. If Draft or Confield or Amber whatever was the one that blew your head open, just go listen to that. I'm sure you're not going to alter

their reasons for working (or not). I may not love every album, personally, on a total level, but I'm glad they exist for endless reasons.

Couldn't have been explained any better than that. I completely agree.

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:27 AM, pixelives said:

 

When your knowledge of music increases, it can become harder to "enjoy" or maybe

have that life altering moment.

So true man

I think it's hard to deny that, relatively speaking, Autechre are not as inventive as they used to be... relative to all the other music in the world today. I think Autechre were years ahead of everyone else until Draft7.30 (maybe I'm under shooting that a bit, definitely by the time Untilted came out, hence why all the fakes started happening). By the time that album came out, everyone else had more or less caught up with them (by everyone else, I mean experimental/indie/underground sorta artists of course, not pop music).

That said, no one else makes music quite like Autechre do, and that just comes down to personality, which is the thing that makes it really hard to replicate music by these sorta auteur producers. While I think it's quite possible that many electronic musicians (even some on this forum) could have made Oversteps, nobody did.

Also, I think they are still innovative relative to their own output... they've never done anything that sounds like Oversteps before! The initial press releases said "a return to melodics like Amber and Tri Repeatae" but I mean come on, how does Oversteps sound anything like those albums? (well I suppose Nine is quite reminiscent...)

They cover a lot more familiar territory on Move of Ten but that's probably why it's the acompanying EP and not the official album.

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:33 PM, Gocab said:

Amorphous Androgynous much?

Funny that this gets mentioned. Move Of Ten gives me FSOL vibes more than any other AE release.

The collage of old-school computer bleeps, solid compressed beats, zoviet-france ambience, detuned FM ringing tones (pce freeze)... plus a real range of styles across the tracks.

I think one of my problems, and this may be for others as well, is that it's harder for me to immerse myself in any given piece of work like I used to. It may have something to do with mp3's or the ease of getting ahold of music.

But I definitely don't immerse myself in single pieces of music for months on end like I did, say in the 1990's. So the listening experience has been shortened in a way and it can even make it easier to dismiss a piece of work... I mean even the spread between these two releases has somehow broken my experience with Oversteps and I was just really getting beyond the introduction phase. Of course I'm not mad to have new music by Ae and I have all the time in the world to enjoy

it at my own pace, but distraction can make people dismissive.

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:56 AM, pixelives said:

I think one of my problems, and this may be for others as well, is that it's harder for me to immerse myself in any given piece of work like I used to. It may have something to do with mp3's or the ease of getting ahold of music.

But I definitely don't immerse myself in single pieces of music for months on end like I did, say in the 1990's. So the listening experience has been shortened in a way and it can even make it easier to dismiss a piece of work... I mean even the spread between these two releases has somehow broken my experience with Oversteps and I was just really getting beyond the introduction phase. Of course I'm not mad to have new music by Ae and I have all the time in the world to enjoy

it at my own pace, but distraction can make people dismissive.

I often say i would love to re-discover electronic music again, which i did around 6 or 7 years ago, with a couple of The Black Dog records (Bytes, Spanners), 808 State's Ten Years comp and BoC's MHTRTC, because it was one of the few moments of my life where i really felt and experienced something beyond the regular day-to-day stuff, something that suddenly opened my mind to a higher level. I would give so much to feel that again. Even when i listen to these records now, they don't sound like that anymore. No.

Maybe it's the context and the years gone, but seems like i can't reach a higher level now, there's no going back.

The easy way we get and save music now it's also an important detail. Now when i want to listen to music i simply plug the portable HD, chose between the two hundred gigs of mp3s and that's that. It's not like you have just a couple of albums and have to save money to get one you have been waiting for, for years.

I wish it was tho.

It's not like the 90's that's for sure. You waited for the release, hit the record store, and gave it a quality listen. Sometimes I wouldn't even know it was coming. Then, I'd see it sitting there on the shelf "Autechre- Chiastic Slide". HOLY SHIT!! What is THIS??? New Autechre? That would make my whole month. Now, with the proliferation of Mp3's comes an impatience if you will, in the listening experience. I don't know. It's different now that's for sure.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:19 AM, acroyear said:

It's not like the 90's that's for sure. You waited for the release, hit the record store, and gave it a quality listen. Sometimes I wouldn't even know it was coming. Then, I'd see it sitting there on the shelf "Autechre- Chiastic Slide". HOLY SHIT!! What is THIS??? New Autechre? That would make my whole month. Now, with the proliferation of Mp3's comes an impatience if you will, in the listening experience. I don't know. It's different now that's for sure.

I don't even know what that is mate.

I come from a country where electronic music is a pop subgenre and didn't even had 90's idm records available, cd or vinyl. Also i am already a child of the late cd/mp3 generation.

But at the time of my first listens i was really excited and a new release, as you say, would make my whole month. That's for sure.

Sometimes i even think i should save some and buy a record once in a while, like a new release from my favorite artists. But then i think: what's the point? There's mp3s and internet.

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:17 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:56 AM, pixelives said:

I think one of my problems, and this may be for others as well, is that it's harder for me to immerse myself in any given piece of work like I used to. It may have something to do with mp3's or the ease of getting ahold of music.

But I definitely don't immerse myself in single pieces of music for months on end like I did, say in the 1990's. So the listening experience has been shortened in a way and it can even make it easier to dismiss a piece of work... I mean even the spread between these two releases has somehow broken my experience with Oversteps and I was just really getting beyond the introduction phase. Of course I'm not mad to have new music by Ae and I have all the time in the world to enjoy

it at my own pace, but distraction can make people dismissive.

 

I often say i would love to re-discover electronic music again, which i did around 6 or 7 years ago, with a couple of The Black Dog records (Bytes, Spanners), 808 State's Ten Years comp and BoC's MHTRTC, because it was one of the few moments of my life where i really felt and experienced something beyond the regular day-to-day stuff, something that suddenly opened my mind to a higher level. I would give so much to feel that again. Even when i listen to these records now, they don't sound like that anymore. No.

Maybe it's the context and the years gone, but seems like i can't reach a higher level now, there's no going back.

The easy way we get and save music now it's also an important detail. Now when i want to listen to music i simply plug the portable HD, chose between the two hundred gigs of mp3s and that's that. It's not like you have just a couple of albums and have to save money to get one you have been waiting for, for years.

 

I wish it was tho.

That's not just with music. That's just life in general I'm afraid. I like to think that music is still one of those things with the ability to "open my mind to that higher level". It can, and it still has from time to time. You just have to be patient, and keep listening. That new mind-blowing release will come again... and again... Just maybe fewer and more far between.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:29 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:17 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:56 AM, pixelives said:

I think one of my problems, and this may be for others as well, is that it's harder for me to immerse myself in any given piece of work like I used to. It may have something to do with mp3's or the ease of getting ahold of music.

But I definitely don't immerse myself in single pieces of music for months on end like I did, say in the 1990's. So the listening experience has been shortened in a way and it can even make it easier to dismiss a piece of work... I mean even the spread between these two releases has somehow broken my experience with Oversteps and I was just really getting beyond the introduction phase. Of course I'm not mad to have new music by Ae and I have all the time in the world to enjoy

it at my own pace, but distraction can make people dismissive.

 

I often say i would love to re-discover electronic music again, which i did around 6 or 7 years ago, with a couple of The Black Dog records (Bytes, Spanners), 808 State's Ten Years comp and BoC's MHTRTC, because it was one of the few moments of my life where i really felt and experienced something beyond the regular day-to-day stuff, something that suddenly opened my mind to a higher level. I would give so much to feel that again. Even when i listen to these records now, they don't sound like that anymore. No.

Maybe it's the context and the years gone, but seems like i can't reach a higher level now, there's no going back.

The easy way we get and save music now it's also an important detail. Now when i want to listen to music i simply plug the portable HD, chose between the two hundred gigs of mp3s and that's that. It's not like you have just a couple of albums and have to save money to get one you have been waiting for, for years.

 

I wish it was tho.

 

That's not just with music. That's just life in general I'm afraid. I like to think that music is still one of those things with the ability to "open my mind to that higher level". It can, and it still has from time to time. You just have to be patient, and keep listening. That new mind-blowing release will come again... and again... Just maybe fewer and more far between.

Well, you are right.

We are here regreting for this and there are thing way harder to recover from life.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:19 AM, acroyear said:

It's not like the 90's that's for sure. You waited for the release, hit the record store, and gave it a quality listen. Sometimes I wouldn't even know it was coming. Then, I'd see it sitting there on the shelf "Autechre- Chiastic Slide". HOLY SHIT!! What is THIS??? New Autechre? That would make my whole month. Now, with the proliferation of Mp3's comes an impatience if you will, in the listening experience. I don't know. It's different now that's for sure.

 

I don't even know what that is mate.

I come from a country where electronic music is a pop subgenre and didn't even had 90's idm records available, cd or vinyl. Also i am already a child of the late cd/mp3 generation.

But at the time of my first listens i was really excited and a new release, as you say, would make my whole month. That's for sure.

Sometimes i even think i should save some and buy a record once in a while, like a new release from my favorite artists. But then i think: what's the point? There's mp3s and internet.

 

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

Don't get me wrong man, music is music. I'm just speaking of my experience, maybe just out of nostalgia. I don't dismiss anyone getting excited about an mp3. I know I do! It's all soundwaves baby.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:36 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:19 AM, acroyear said:

It's not like the 90's that's for sure. You waited for the release, hit the record store, and gave it a quality listen. Sometimes I wouldn't even know it was coming. Then, I'd see it sitting there on the shelf "Autechre- Chiastic Slide". HOLY SHIT!! What is THIS??? New Autechre? That would make my whole month. Now, with the proliferation of Mp3's comes an impatience if you will, in the listening experience. I don't know. It's different now that's for sure.

 

I don't even know what that is mate.

I come from a country where electronic music is a pop subgenre and didn't even had 90's idm records available, cd or vinyl. Also i am already a child of the late cd/mp3 generation.

But at the time of my first listens i was really excited and a new release, as you say, would make my whole month. That's for sure.

Sometimes i even think i should save some and buy a record once in a while, like a new release from my favorite artists. But then i think: what's the point? There's mp3s and internet.

 

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

Don't get me wrong man, music is music. I'm just speaking of my experience, maybe just out of nostalgia. I don't dismiss anyone getting excited about an mp3. I know I do! It's all soundwaves baby.

I feel the same nostalgia too. In the end it's all about the sound. But having a physical device, being cd or vinyl has a meaning. I know that, even tho i have 99.1% music in mp3 format.

MAybe I'm way off here, but this is a idea...

1993 people were ok with hearing an album that was comprised of basically a lot of TR606 beats (Incunabula) and I'm sure a lot of people didn't really know what that was then (I didnt). Now there is this endless

push from people to hear something "new." This probably has something to do with the ease of assess to computing and music programs and also information in the net on how to make and do things and what kind of gear there is.

People endless desire for more and new seems to be leading to just general unsatisfaction with any or all output by artists. Of course we can only look at our time and the past from the lens of now but i think it's important to judge all their output by the when and how it was made because it's all still light years ahead of everything else.

  On 6/19/2010 at 11:09 PM, acroyear said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:19 PM, sirch said:

having said that above, i don't think they're out of ideas. they'll probably keep making music for another 20 years, doing what they do.

you can't deny though that it'd be interesting to hear what they came up with if say they did limit themselves to only using 1 electric guitar, 1 acoustic guitar, a piano, a sampler, and a bunch of mics, for an album.. can you? would nobody be into anything like that at all?

personally, for their next album i'd like to see them to go off into the desert with some bongos, tamborines and melodicas, maybe a couple of recorders and a triangle, and a couple of sound recorders, take a load of acid and record their time there. now THAT i'd buy! lol.

 

Or, maybe they could play on harmonicas with their butt cheeks. I'd be so curious what they could come up with! Something fresh I'm sure.

you Sir, i feel, are an ignorant Douche. lol

  On 6/19/2010 at 11:09 PM, acroyear said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:19 PM, sirch said:

having said that above, i don't think they're out of ideas. they'll probably keep making music for another 20 years, doing what they do.

you can't deny though that it'd be interesting to hear what they came up with if say they did limit themselves to only using 1 electric guitar, 1 acoustic guitar, a piano, a sampler, and a bunch of mics, for an album.. can you? would nobody be into anything like that at all?

personally, for their next album i'd like to see them to go off into the desert with some bongos, tamborines and melodicas, maybe a couple of recorders and a triangle, and a couple of sound recorders, take a load of acid and record their time there. now THAT i'd buy! lol.

 

Or, maybe they could play on harmonicas with their butt cheeks. I'd be so curious what they could come up with! Something fresh I'm sure.

you Sir, i feel, are an ignorant Douche Bag.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:43 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:36 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:19 AM, acroyear said:

It's not like the 90's that's for sure. You waited for the release, hit the record store, and gave it a quality listen. Sometimes I wouldn't even know it was coming. Then, I'd see it sitting there on the shelf "Autechre- Chiastic Slide". HOLY SHIT!! What is THIS??? New Autechre? That would make my whole month. Now, with the proliferation of Mp3's comes an impatience if you will, in the listening experience. I don't know. It's different now that's for sure.

 

I don't even know what that is mate.

I come from a country where electronic music is a pop subgenre and didn't even had 90's idm records available, cd or vinyl. Also i am already a child of the late cd/mp3 generation.

But at the time of my first listens i was really excited and a new release, as you say, would make my whole month. That's for sure.

Sometimes i even think i should save some and buy a record once in a while, like a new release from my favorite artists. But then i think: what's the point? There's mp3s and internet.

 

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

Don't get me wrong man, music is music. I'm just speaking of my experience, maybe just out of nostalgia. I don't dismiss anyone getting excited about an mp3. I know I do! It's all soundwaves baby.

 

I feel the same nostalgia too. In the end it's all about the sound. But having a physical device, being cd or vinyl has a meaning. I know that, even tho i have 99.1% music in mp3 format.

If you have access to a turntable, I highly recommend buying a few records and taking the time. You don't have to buy all your releases on vinyl, but try it out. I think you may love the connection. Then, you can save your stylus and listen to Mp3's when you want to for convenience and portability.

  On 6/19/2010 at 11:09 PM, acroyear said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:19 PM, sirch said:

having said that above, i don't think they're out of ideas. they'll probably keep making music for another 20 years, doing what they do.

you can't deny though that it'd be interesting to hear what they came up with if say they did limit themselves to only using 1 electric guitar, 1 acoustic guitar, a piano, a sampler, and a bunch of mics, for an album.. can you? would nobody be into anything like that at all?

personally, for their next album i'd like to see them to go off into the desert with some bongos, tamborines and melodicas, maybe a couple of recorders and a triangle, and a couple of sound recorders, take a load of acid and record their time there. now THAT i'd buy! lol.

 

Or, maybe they could play on harmonicas with their butt cheeks. I'd be so curious what they could come up with! Something fresh I'm sure.

you Sir, i feel, are an ignorant Douche Bag.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:45 AM, pixelives said:

MAybe I'm way off here, but this is a idea...

 

1993 people were ok with hearing an album that was comprised of basically a lot of TR606 beats (Incunabula) and I'm sure a lot of people didn't really know what that was then (I didnt). Now there is this endless

push from people to hear something "new." This probably has something to do with the ease of assess to computing and music programs and also information in the net on how to make and do things and what kind of gear there is.

People endless desire for more and new seems to be leading to just general unsatisfaction with any or all output by artists. Of course we can only look at our time and the past from the lens of now but i think it's important to judge all their output by the when and how it was made because it's all still light years ahead of everything else.

I think it's like a snowball. Here are the facts: it's now easy to get, learn and work with machines that produce music; it's easy to have access to music, being it legal or p2p software; there is a huge overload of information blasting us everyday and our desire to get more makes musicians try to produce more and as a consequence, get worse results.

My conclusion: it's up to us to chose carefuly what we get and what we listen to, because there is so many to chose from, that an unwise choice is just making us lose time and musical pleasure.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:48 AM, sirch said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 11:09 PM, acroyear said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:19 PM, sirch said:

having said that above, i don't think they're out of ideas. they'll probably keep making music for another 20 years, doing what they do.

you can't deny though that it'd be interesting to hear what they came up with if say they did limit themselves to only using 1 electric guitar, 1 acoustic guitar, a piano, a sampler, and a bunch of mics, for an album.. can you? would nobody be into anything like that at all?

personally, for their next album i'd like to see them to go off into the desert with some bongos, tamborines and melodicas, maybe a couple of recorders and a triangle, and a couple of sound recorders, take a load of acid and record their time there. now THAT i'd buy! lol.

 

Or, maybe they could play on harmonicas with their butt cheeks. I'd be so curious what they could come up with! Something fresh I'm sure.

 

you Sir, i feel, are an ignorant Douche Bag.

I'm actually a turbo-douche. LOL What the fuck? Sorry if I offended. I shouldn't have quoted you personally in my reply. I was just having a little fun.

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:51 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 4:45 AM, pixelives said:

MAybe I'm way off here, but this is a idea...

 

1993 people were ok with hearing an album that was comprised of basically a lot of TR606 beats (Incunabula) and I'm sure a lot of people didn't really know what that was then (I didnt). Now there is this endless

push from people to hear something "new." This probably has something to do with the ease of assess to computing and music programs and also information in the net on how to make and do things and what kind of gear there is.

People endless desire for more and new seems to be leading to just general unsatisfaction with any or all output by artists. Of course we can only look at our time and the past from the lens of now but i think it's important to judge all their output by the when and how it was made because it's all still light years ahead of everything else.

 

I think it's like a snowball. Here are the facts: it's now easy to get, learn and work with machines that produce music; it's easy to have access to music, being it legal or p2p software; there is a huge overload of information blasting us everyday and our desire to get more makes musicians try to produce more and as a consequence, get worse results.

 

My conclusion: it's up to us to chose carefuly what we get and what we listen to, because there is so many to chose from, that an unwise choice is just making us lose time and musical pleasure.

I agree. Just as in life, you have to make some good decisions, and some bad ones to get to what you want.