Autechre Is Autechre out of ideas?

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:48 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:43 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:36 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:19 AM, acroyear said:

It's not like the 90's that's for sure. You waited for the release, hit the record store, and gave it a quality listen. Sometimes I wouldn't even know it was coming. Then, I'd see it sitting there on the shelf "Autechre- Chiastic Slide". HOLY SHIT!! What is THIS??? New Autechre? That would make my whole month. Now, with the proliferation of Mp3's comes an impatience if you will, in the listening experience. I don't know. It's different now that's for sure.

 

I don't even know what that is mate.

I come from a country where electronic music is a pop subgenre and didn't even had 90's idm records available, cd or vinyl. Also i am already a child of the late cd/mp3 generation.

But at the time of my first listens i was really excited and a new release, as you say, would make my whole month. That's for sure.

Sometimes i even think i should save some and buy a record once in a while, like a new release from my favorite artists. But then i think: what's the point? There's mp3s and internet.

 

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

Don't get me wrong man, music is music. I'm just speaking of my experience, maybe just out of nostalgia. I don't dismiss anyone getting excited about an mp3. I know I do! It's all soundwaves baby.

 

I feel the same nostalgia too. In the end it's all about the sound. But having a physical device, being cd or vinyl has a meaning. I know that, even tho i have 99.1% music in mp3 format.

If you have access to a turntable, I highly recommend buying a few records and taking the time. You don't have to buy all your releases on vinyl, but try it out. I think you may love the connection. Then, you can save your stylus and listen to Mp3's when you want to for convenience and portability.

My dad has one and a couple of The Beatles, Dire Straits and Bruce Springsteen records. But it is damaged for years now. I don't remember of listening to a vinyl record there, ever. Sometimes i am ashamed of saying i am music fan, as i never really enjoyed the vinyl sound.

  On 6/20/2010 at 1:27 AM, pixelives said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 12:12 PM, goDel said:

how about stop confusing personal feelings with general facts

 

 

Yep. People need to realize that when they're talking about Autechre in this thread, they're talking about themselves.

lol, are you serious?? self projecting Ae fans.. lol, now that's another level !! lol

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:02 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:48 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:43 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:36 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:19 AM, acroyear said:

It's not like the 90's that's for sure. You waited for the release, hit the record store, and gave it a quality listen. Sometimes I wouldn't even know it was coming. Then, I'd see it sitting there on the shelf "Autechre- Chiastic Slide". HOLY SHIT!! What is THIS??? New Autechre? That would make my whole month. Now, with the proliferation of Mp3's comes an impatience if you will, in the listening experience. I don't know. It's different now that's for sure.

 

I don't even know what that is mate.

I come from a country where electronic music is a pop subgenre and didn't even had 90's idm records available, cd or vinyl. Also i am already a child of the late cd/mp3 generation.

But at the time of my first listens i was really excited and a new release, as you say, would make my whole month. That's for sure.

Sometimes i even think i should save some and buy a record once in a while, like a new release from my favorite artists. But then i think: what's the point? There's mp3s and internet.

 

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

Don't get me wrong man, music is music. I'm just speaking of my experience, maybe just out of nostalgia. I don't dismiss anyone getting excited about an mp3. I know I do! It's all soundwaves baby.

 

I feel the same nostalgia too. In the end it's all about the sound. But having a physical device, being cd or vinyl has a meaning. I know that, even tho i have 99.1% music in mp3 format.

If you have access to a turntable, I highly recommend buying a few records and taking the time. You don't have to buy all your releases on vinyl, but try it out. I think you may love the connection. Then, you can save your stylus and listen to Mp3's when you want to for convenience and portability.

 

My dad has one and a couple of The Beatles, Dire Straits and Bruce Springsteen records. But it is damaged for years now. I don't remember of listening to a vinyl record there, ever. Sometimes i am ashamed of saying i am music fan, as i never really enjoyed the vinyl sound.

You don't have to, it's not like it's essential. Just enjoy the music.

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:07 AM, sirch said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 1:27 AM, pixelives said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 12:12 PM, goDel said:

how about stop confusing personal feelings with general facts

 

 

Yep. People need to realize that when they're talking about Autechre in this thread, they're talking about themselves.

 

 

lol, are you serious?? self projecting Ae fans.. lol, now that's another level !! lol

On that note, I just accidentally jammed a harmonica up my ass. Ouch.

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

i hate to say it, but you guys need to get out more, lol :)

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:51 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:48 AM, sirch said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:09 PM, acroyear said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 7:19 PM, sirch said:

having said that above, i don't think they're out of ideas. they'll probably keep making music for another 20 years, doing what they do.

you can't deny though that it'd be interesting to hear what they came up with if say they did limit themselves to only using 1 electric guitar, 1 acoustic guitar, a piano, a sampler, and a bunch of mics, for an album.. can you? would nobody be into anything like that at all?

personally, for their next album i'd like to see them to go off into the desert with some bongos, tamborines and melodicas, maybe a couple of recorders and a triangle, and a couple of sound recorders, take a load of acid and record their time there. now THAT i'd buy! lol.

 

Or, maybe they could play on harmonicas with their butt cheeks. I'd be so curious what they could come up with! Something fresh I'm sure.

 

you Sir, i feel, are an ignorant Douche Bag.

I'm actually a turbo-douche. LOL What the fuck? Sorry if I offended. I shouldn't have quoted you personally in my reply. I was just having a little fun.

hey no worries really dude my pc jammed for about 5 mins then i came back and saw my post had been posted 4 times!! wtf, watmm, lol

no offence to you either tho, harmonibutt :)

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:11 AM, sirch said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

 

i hate to say it, but you guys need to get out more, lol :)

That may be possible! LOL I've enjoyed this discussion quite a bit though. This thread turned out better than I thought.

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:15 AM, sirch said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:51 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:48 AM, sirch said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 9:09 PM, acroyear said:

  On 6/19/2010 at 7:19 PM, sirch said:

having said that above, i don't think they're out of ideas. they'll probably keep making music for another 20 years, doing what they do.

you can't deny though that it'd be interesting to hear what they came up with if say they did limit themselves to only using 1 electric guitar, 1 acoustic guitar, a piano, a sampler, and a bunch of mics, for an album.. can you? would nobody be into anything like that at all?

personally, for their next album i'd like to see them to go off into the desert with some bongos, tamborines and melodicas, maybe a couple of recorders and a triangle, and a couple of sound recorders, take a load of acid and record their time there. now THAT i'd buy! lol.

 

Or, maybe they could play on harmonicas with their butt cheeks. I'd be so curious what they could come up with! Something fresh I'm sure.

 

you Sir, i feel, are an ignorant Douche Bag.

I'm actually a turbo-douche. LOL What the fuck? Sorry if I offended. I shouldn't have quoted you personally in my reply. I was just having a little fun.

 

hey no worries really dude my pc jammed for about 5 mins then i came back and saw my post had been posted 4 times!! wtf, watmm, lol

 

no offence to you either tho, harmonibutt :)

hehe.. harmonibutt could be my new screen name.

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:16 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:11 AM, sirch said:

  On 6/20/2010 at 2:27 AM, ruiagnelo said:

I think this is getting pretty deeply attached to our brains.

 

i hate to say it, but you guys need to get out more, lol :)

That may be possible! LOL I've enjoyed this discussion quite a bit though. This thread turned out better than I thought.

Indeed. But i don't really think Ae are out of ideas. Just for a proper conclusion.

this is what it's all about, the kids are going crazy over this shit.. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOem7U2LPE

Well, that certainly puts everything into perspective. Oh GOOD! that vid just made my harmonica pop back out.

  On 6/20/2010 at 3:10 AM, acroyear said:

On that note, I just accidentally jammed a harmonica up my ass. Ouch.

/thread

I just wanted to push this convo away from something rather high school and well, pointless, to something more interesting about perception and our role within this music. Autechre spans a very interesting time

in history where computers became something else entirely and you probably could write a book paralleling the development of the personal computer, their technique and the general explosion of computing and our relation to it.....

Now where did my harmonica go?.......

Right, I saw this topic and thought to stay away until I listened to LP5 last night. Firstly, I love Autechre and will follow them like the avid fanboy I am until they stop or they really do start churning out utter shite, neither of which I can see happening. However, I do feel their compositional style has changed:

I had LP5 on in the car, and really got into the compositional aspect of it. Listen to Under BOAC and at the breakdown (around 2:40)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj_X_i4QrWY

there's that glorious saucepans-falling-down-the-stairs thing. Then it builds back up into a steady rhythm, growing more complex. There isn't ANY of that kind of structural composition in Quaristice (understandably, editing together live jams won't give the best structural form) or Oversteps (slightly odd in my opinion because...). I can't see why, however, with Booth & Brown back using Max why they can't program such structures in. Am I right in thinking that LP5 is at least partially algorithmically composed? Because if so, they do it with a good ear for harmony and tonal shifts within each track. On Oversteps however, there's moments of pure randomness, where the music stinks of algorithmic composition. This may be what they're trying to do, but in my opinion anyone can do that and put out an album of it, especially with Max and other modular-based software environments.

Move Of Ten comes closer to thought-out structure and flow, but there's moments on Oversteps where I'm left thinking "WTF?" It's a better album, in my opinion, than Quaristice as it has the track-by-track flow that I don't think Quari has. However, for the brilliant tracks (r ess, known(1), treale, d-sho qub), there's some real boring pieces (pt2ph8, krylon) that just sound like controlled random sequences of set length that repeat.

Now, Autechre certainly haven't lost it. Listen to the Quaristice sets and the new Oversteps sets from Australia and the way the duo think about structure is clear. The tense climaxes then total breakdowns are phenomenal and hark back to the work of LP5, but why isn't this present in the new studio work? The reason I think is probably most true is because the structure of each composition isn't what they're concentrating the most on - with Oversteps they wanted to document their return to using Max and algorithmic composition, and Quaristice is, to me, a celebration of what they had been doing for 20 years showing the different styles they've worked with over that period of time. So, it's a personal thing really whether you think Ae have lost it or not. To me, they certainly haven't, but the area within composition that they have amazed me with the most they're haven't concentrated on so much over the last few releases.

But I agree that none of the studio releases have beaten Untilted yet.

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  On 6/20/2010 at 11:52 AM, pixelives said:

I just wanted to push this convo away from something rather high school and well, pointless, to something more interesting about perception and our role within this music. Autechre spans a very interesting time

in history where computers became something else entirely and you probably could write a book paralleling the development of the personal computer, their technique and the general explosion of computing and our relation to it.....

Now where did my harmonica go?.......

The thought that Autechre have developed their music along with the advancement of computers shouldn't surprise anyone...

What would signal to me that Autechre were out of ideas, is if they started playing with an MC. Really, that would be beyond stale. If I have to hear more about that, I'm bringing back the harmonica references. I'm sorry I brought it up in the first place, but it was just to make that point.

  On 6/20/2010 at 10:29 PM, acroyear said:

What would signal to me that Autechre were out of ideas, is if they started playing with an MC. Really, that would be beyond stale. If I have to hear more about that, I'm bringing back the harmonica references. I'm sorry I brought it up in the first place, but it was just to make that point.

Yeah exactly, I don't think anyone has ever correctly predicted what their next album will be like, so if they start using any ideas that we can come up with, they really have run dry.

Is Oversteps all that algorithmic though? It seems pretty closely composed to me. Who knows, really.

Anyway, if you guys are missing the magic with music in general perhaps it's BECAUSE you are listening to mp3s. They do sound pretty lousy, you know. I went mostly lossless on my iPod and stuff and it's quite nice listening to things in full quality now. Just a thought

It's because they lost sight of the sea. the post above i mean

  On 6/21/2010 at 3:03 AM, Ascdi said:

Is Oversteps all that algorithmic though? It seems pretty closely composed to me. Who knows, really.

 

Anyway, if you guys are missing the magic with music in general perhaps it's BECAUSE you are listening to mp3s. They do sound pretty lousy, you know. I went mostly lossless on my iPod and stuff and it's quite nice listening to things in full quality now. Just a thought

yeah the more i listen to oversteps, the more i hear deliberate melodies. if they did use algorithmic composition, i'd say it'd be to add extra flourishes to already composed melodic content.

  On 6/21/2010 at 5:06 AM, modey said:

  On 6/21/2010 at 3:03 AM, Ascdi said:

Is Oversteps all that algorithmic though? It seems pretty closely composed to me. Who knows, really.

 

Anyway, if you guys are missing the magic with music in general perhaps it's BECAUSE you are listening to mp3s. They do sound pretty lousy, you know. I went mostly lossless on my iPod and stuff and it's quite nice listening to things in full quality now. Just a thought

yeah the more i listen to oversteps, the more i hear deliberate melodies. if they did use algorithmic composition, i'd say it'd be to add extra flourishes to already composed melodic content.

interesting take, listening to it it sounds like the 'algorithmic' sounding tracks were composed in he opposite style you described. They fired up a melody generating patch, used it for basic chord structure and/or basslines and then added more distinct, deliberate and characteristic AE melodies over the top of it, of course editing parts out of the source material and joining them together for more cohesion.

edit: treale specifically comes to mind, a great deal of the first 2/3rds of the track sounds very controlled-random, and then it becomes a series of looping melodic hooks

  On 6/21/2010 at 4:27 AM, victorian sewer rituals said:

It's because they lost sight of the sea. the post above i mean

Do not lose sight of the sea she said... Do not lose sight of the sea...

  On 6/21/2010 at 6:14 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 6/21/2010 at 5:06 AM, modey said:

  On 6/21/2010 at 3:03 AM, Ascdi said:

Is Oversteps all that algorithmic though? It seems pretty closely composed to me. Who knows, really.

 

Anyway, if you guys are missing the magic with music in general perhaps it's BECAUSE you are listening to mp3s. They do sound pretty lousy, you know. I went mostly lossless on my iPod and stuff and it's quite nice listening to things in full quality now. Just a thought

yeah the more i listen to oversteps, the more i hear deliberate melodies. if they did use algorithmic composition, i'd say it'd be to add extra flourishes to already composed melodic content.

 

interesting take, listening to it it sounds like the 'algorithmic' sounding tracks were composed in he opposite style you described. They fired up a melody generating patch, used it for basic chord structure and/or basslines and then added more distinct, deliberate and characteristic AE melodies over the top of it, of course editing parts out of the source material and joining them together for more cohesion.

 

edit: treale specifically comes to mind, a great deal of the first 2/3rds of the track sounds very controlled-random, and then it becomes a series of looping melodic hooks

yeah treale does sound quite generative in parts, though i'd assume there are very strict rules on the algorithms - it's almost as though they've managed to write their chord progression/melody style into code!

although their approcach has hardly changed in the last 10yrs (which is a good thing) Autechre still make tunes that don't sound too much like what they've done before so there's still milage to go and if its not what you like then don't listen

although their approcach has hardly changed in the last 10yrs (which is a good thing) Autechre still make tunes that don't sound too much like what they've done before so there's still milage to go and if its not what you like then don't listen

although their approcach has hardly changed in the last 10yrs (which is a good thing) Autechre still make tunes that don't sound too much like what they've done before so there's still milage to go and if its not what you like then don't listen

although their approcach has hardly changed in the last 10yrs (which is a good thing) Autechre still make tunes that don't sound too much like what they've done before so there's still milage to go and if its not what you like then don't listen

although their approcach has hardly changed in the last 10yrs (which is a good thing) Autechre still make tunes that don't sound too much like what they've done before so there's still milage to go and if its not what you like then don't listen

although their approcach has hardly changed in the last 10yrs (which is a good thing) Autechre still make tunes that don't sound too much like what they've done before so there's still milage to go and if its not what you like then don't listen

although their approcach has hardly changed in the last 10yrs (which is a good thing) Autechre still make tunes that don't sound too much like what they've done before so there's still milage to go and if its not what you like then don't listen