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  On 2/2/2011 at 1:44 PM, chaosmachine said:

well, unconfirmed, but it doesn't look good :\

 

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/02/ipad-2-display-leaked/

 

1024x768: do not want.

 

Yeah, if that's true, then I'm even more happy about getting the iPad when I did.

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  On 2/2/2011 at 5:15 PM, Joyrex said:

Yeah, if that's true, then I'm even more happy about getting the iPad when I did.

 

do you use it much?

  On 2/2/2011 at 5:15 PM, Joyrex said:
  On 2/2/2011 at 1:44 PM, chaosmachine said:

well, unconfirmed, but it doesn't look good :\

 

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/02/ipad-2-display-leaked/

 

1024x768: do not want.

 

Yeah, if that's true, then I'm even more happy about getting the iPad when I did.

 

totally. hopefully it's just a cosmetic "omg look how thin and light" update, cause then i can save me money.

 

posted from my ipad.

 

i prob use my ipad 30 min a day on average, not including simple music-playing, which happens every night as i'm going to sleep and sometimes at work.

nice roundup about the ipad 2:

 

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I've been sifting through the recent iPad 2.0 rumors and these now suggest a slightly altered chassis, a much-improved processor, a 3-megapixel camera, more MEMS accelerometer/gyroscope controls and an improved (but still not Retina Display -- that's next year) display. We'll see Apple sell at least five million of these in the first few months.

 

The processor

Ming-Chi Kuo of Concord Securities claims the new iPad will sport a dual-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9 processor. That's in line with what I've been expecting, and if Apple sticks to its guns this processor will be marketed as the Apple A5.

 

The graphics processor will be the Imagination Technologies’ POWERVR SGX543 GPU, as reported here. What's critical here is that this graphics chip supports OpenCL, meaning that the power of both the graphics chip and the main CPU can at times be combined to handle intense computational tasks. The new iPad will be super-powered -- should the same chip combination appear within iPhone 5, then you will not want to miss this upgrade.

 

"iPad 2 has 512MB RAM, same as iPhone 4 and twice as much as iPad 1, but running at higher clock 1,066 MHz for getting bigger memory bandwidth (iPhone 4 memory clock is 800 MHz)," Ming-Chi Kuo said.

 

We already know the processors will be manufactured by Samsung, which will be selling half its mobile chip production capacity to Apple this year.

 

The camera

iPd 2.0 will host a low-res front-facing camera and a low-res back camera. Apple is already seeking an expert in digital photography to work with the iPad development team. This could mean improvements in PhotoStream, MobileMe Gallery and should also equate to new tools for image editing on your iPad. This has to also mean iPhoto will reach the iPad (at last), as the existing Photo App doesn't edit images. I'd stick my neck out to suggest a version of iMovie - already available on the iPhone -- will also reach iPad.

 

The display

9to5Mac tracked down what it claims to be images of the new iPad 2 display. If its sources are correct, the new display will be 10 grams lighter and one millimeter thinner than the preceeding slim screen.

 

iPad 1 display : Weight: 153.2 grams. Length: 20.1 cm x 15.2 cm

iPad 2 display: Weight: 143.9 grams Length:20.1 cm x 15.2 cm

Ming-Chi Kuo of Concord Securities recently claimed the new iPad display will retain the same 1,024-x-768 resolution, but will be anti-reflective, so it will be a much better device for reading -- think a Kindle, but better.

 

IDC analyst, Tom Mainelli believes we will see a Retina Display, but not until version 3 of the iPad, presumably next year. “I don’t believe anybody is ready to produce that resolution in volumes at this point. And Apple is going to require huge volumes for the iPad 2,” he said.

 

NFC/iWallet plans

Bloomberg reports that Apple’s next generation iPhone and iPad will include NFC (near-field-communication) functionality. Thats in line with what I've been claiming for ages, and means you'll be able to use both devices for single-pass payments.

 

Now, I have a notion here: Using an iPad to pay for goods makes less sense because of its relative size in comparison to an iPhone, but it makes sense to offer such support as an option to those who want to use it.

 

-- However, using an iPad as a payment-taking kiosk makes lots more sense. Merchants would only have to pay for the iPad, and some fee (this is likely) for setting up a payment account. After this they'd ahve an easy to use payment terminal, and Apple would have the kind of point of sale advertising you can only dream of. Imagine all those iPad-using restaurants effectively taking payments using their menus?

 

Could this also see a technology acquisition? Apple last year reportedly was looking to acquire contactless/near field communications tech firm, VIVOtech, a provider of "Contactless/near field communications (NFC) payment software, NFC smart posters, contactless readers/writers, and over the air card provisioning, promotion, and transaction management infrastructure software,".

 

Connectivity

Primarily, WiFi-only, GSM, and CDMA. You'll be able to get an iPad for Verizon or for AT&T. I'm not clear yet if Apple will be able to field a world phone chip in this release -- it would make much more sense to offer an iPad you could use on any network, but it is possible such a radio component would eat too much battery life and take too much space. Should Apple introduce an iPad capable of running on both CDMA and GSM networks, then this will imply the next-gen iPhone will also offer the facility. This is also why I now don't expect Apple to announce the new device until after pent-up Verizon iPhone sales have reached their zenith.

 

Accelerometer/gyroscope controls

These are going to be improved. Expect a 3-axis gyroscope (a la iPhone 4), for example. I'll also stick my neck out with a couple of guesses as to other potential improvements.

 

With cameras on all its mobile devices, Apple will begin experimenting with movement-based interfaces -- by this I don't mean movement of the device to control the device, but movement of the viewer -- (Minority Report here we go again). Firms including eyeSight and GestureTek are already using the built-in phone camera to analyse hand motions and recognize gestures. I predict Apple will explore this.

Apple will also implement better predictive and gesture-recognition technologies in future, this time under a licensing agreement with Nuance.

In future, both these technologies will be combined with use of pico projectors, but these won't appear on Apple devices this year. Why? Because they demand too much power and just aren't good enough yet. Insufficiently bright they would disappoint and not excite early adopters.

 

That's a wrap-up of iPad 2.0 rumors from the last week or so. Read earlier collections here. Have I missed any? What would you like the device to do? Please let me know in comments below, and I'd be most pleased if you chose to follow me on Twitter so I could let you know as new reports get published here first on Computerworld.

Using the iPad as an NFC payment device would be hilarious - pulling out something that size to take care of the check...lol

 

And using the iPad as a payment taking kiosk doesn't make sense at all - it's an overly complicated solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It's like having ATMs with a full Windows XP installed/...

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i don't know about ATMs, since they require special security, but most kiosks such as for airline check-in and self checkout at stores do infact use windows. i've seen their error or config screens a few times. all embedded devices or kiosks need OSs, so it makes more sense to use windows with existing dev tools and support than to start from scratch.

I've seen plenty of ATMs with windows errors - shocking really.

Embedded systems should not be full windows installs - that's ludicrous. These are specific usage devices, not general purpose computers.

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  On 2/6/2011 at 1:28 AM, chenGOD said:

I've seen plenty of ATMs with windows errors - shocking really.

Embedded systems should not be full windows installs - that's ludicrous. These are specific usage devices, not general purpose computers.

 

one of the weirdest things i've seen or should i say heard lately is the bank of america Atms near me play the windows error chime sound whenever you press a button. IT doesn't really instill confidence in the computer savvy atm machine user, does this mean everytime i hit a button it's actually having an error? or did they stupidly pick that sound without realizing it's association.

  On 2/2/2011 at 5:15 PM, Joyrex said:
  On 2/2/2011 at 1:44 PM, chaosmachine said:

well, unconfirmed, but it doesn't look good :\

 

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/02/ipad-2-display-leaked/

 

1024x768: do not want.

 

Yeah, if that's true, then I'm even more happy about getting the iPad when I did.

 

i don't really get Apple's obsession with making the Ipad or whatever even thinner or lighter than before, is it really not convenient enough the way it's shaped now? it seems unnecessarily OCD to me

disappointment if the screen reallly is the same resolution

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90% sure the screen will not be any better - it makes the iPad too expensive. Certainly not gonna be retina display or whatever the fuck apple is calling it.

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  On 2/22/2011 at 7:50 PM, Awepittance said:
  On 2/2/2011 at 5:15 PM, Joyrex said:
  On 2/2/2011 at 1:44 PM, chaosmachine said:

well, unconfirmed, but it doesn't look good :\

 

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/02/ipad-2-display-leaked/

 

1024x768: do not want.

 

Yeah, if that's true, then I'm even more happy about getting the iPad when I did.

 

i don't really get Apple's obsession with making the Ipad or whatever even thinner or lighter than before, is it really not convenient enough the way it's shaped now? it seems unnecessarily OCD to me

disappointment if the screen reallly is the same resolution

 

I think the problem is that all the initial ipad reviews had some common complaints: the edges seemed too harsh, they could see their reflection in the screen, and it weighed too much (despite most netbooks weighing more).

 

<insert joke about steve jobs not weighing enough>

[speculation]

does anyone else wonder if they will actually cram a dualcore CPU in it? somehow my guts tell me they're more into making it lighter and more casual than more powerful....

but if they bump the specs hard (dualcore CPU, big gfx chip, RAM), they will probably also need to increase the battery size to compensate for higher energy drain, because they sure don't want to lessen the expected operating time per charge. Should be quite a challenge to do balance all the components innit? The current version is quite the heavy brick, compared to say the MB Air..

 

so my money is on an underwhelming spec boost, but higher battery lifetime + sleeker shape and maybe lower price..

Which is exactly the opposite i would want it to be. Definitely going to skip if it turns out like that.

[/speculation]

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  On 2/22/2011 at 8:16 PM, phling said:

[speculation]

does anyone else wonder if they will actually cram a dualcore CPU in it? somehow my guts tell me they're more into making it lighter and more casual than more powerful....

but if they bump the specs hard (dualcore CPU, big gfx chip, RAM), they will probably also need to increase the battery size to compensate for higher energy drain, because they sure don't want to lessen the expected operating time per charge. Should be quite a challenge to do balance all the components innit? The current version is quite the heavy brick, compared to say the MB Air..

so my money is on an underwhelming spec boost, but higher battery lifetime + sleeker shape and maybe lower price..

Which is exactly the opposite i would want it to be. Definitely going to skip if it turns out like that.

[/speculation]

 

 

The heaviest iPad weighs 0.73kg while the MacBook Air weighs 1.06kg

 

They won't put in a dualcore CPU or a big GFX chip - it's not a laptop, it's not designed to replace one.

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heh tell me about it.. my day job is writing code for it, there's more than a dozen iPads being thrown around at work all the time.

it's lighter but also much less capable. I was referring to some kind of esoteric "value per gram" thing...

 

So what's the value of the iPad? it's great for reading RSS feeds and watching youtube videos, but it's THE BEST FUCKING DEVICE EVER for buying software that you toy around with for a bit and then never use again. But a bit heavy for that. So we'll see soon enough, but i think that's the route of success for them. Unbelievably magically light and thin and shiny.

some of the artistic software that's out for it is really cool.

 

Nomad Brush (this can be used with any capacitive screen, so Android users aren't left out)

 

The iElectribe looks sweet, the sunvox tracker looks cool, of course there's TouchOSC, and who knows what people with MAX/MSP will do, when the big guns get into it, like NI or ABleton - shit will be incredible.

 

oh and of course you can be a totally wicked DJ with two iPads...

 

*cough*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHPmcU13_mU

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  On 2/22/2011 at 8:32 PM, chenGOD said:
  On 2/22/2011 at 8:16 PM, phling said:

[speculation]

does anyone else wonder if they will actually cram a dualcore CPU in it? somehow my guts tell me they're more into making it lighter and more casual than more powerful....

but if they bump the specs hard (dualcore CPU, big gfx chip, RAM), they will probably also need to increase the battery size to compensate for higher energy drain, because they sure don't want to lessen the expected operating time per charge. Should be quite a challenge to do balance all the components innit? The current version is quite the heavy brick, compared to say the MB Air..

so my money is on an underwhelming spec boost, but higher battery lifetime + sleeker shape and maybe lower price..

Which is exactly the opposite i would want it to be. Definitely going to skip if it turns out like that.

[/speculation]

 

 

The heaviest iPad weighs 0.73kg while the MacBook Air weighs 1.06kg

 

They won't put in a dualcore CPU or a big GFX chip - it's not a laptop, it's not designed to replace one.

 

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*waits for chen to close thread

Garageband for Ipad now too. Hopefully this is one step closer to a full-on multitouch-controlled DAW. That would be very, very yummy. Goodbye, midi control surfaces!

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