Usage & Grammar Pet Peeves

when people whine abiotu grammar and pet peevs

its just words

  On 3/25/2011 at 12:20 PM, sup said:

when people whine abiotu grammar and pet peevs

 

its just words

I thought about adding "anything sup writes" in my original post.

words make worlds, sup :sup:

context is everything

ndc grammar :sup:

  On 3/25/2011 at 12:49 PM, luke viia said:

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Those who don't like grammar are usually those who don't understand it, much like those who are against drugs are usually those who have never done them. It's hard to fathom not understanding your native tongue or at least having some admiration and respect for it. I don't really know shit about grammar, but I think language is beautiful and I'm constantly trying to improve my grammar and vocabulary.

I'd be honored to wear that badge.

edit: Or have it tattooed on my dick.

I do not understand all the proper rules of grammar either, but I agree with you. I don't mind the way sup posts though - like kramer said, it's within a certain context, and I've come to expect it from him. I just imagine he has fat greasy fingers from all that ham he's always trying to steal from his brother.

in speech,..

"can you be more pacific?". (specific)

"you can't bring your own drink in this premise" (on these premises)

our european cousins can often converse in a minimum of two languages, fluently. a lot of us brits can't even speak our own.

Here are some more:

Grammar spelled "grammer." (This one gets me every time.)

Genius spelled "genious."

Wiener spelled "weiner" or "weener."

In speech:

Supposedly pronounced "supposebly."

Temperature pronounced "tempature."

Nuclear pronounced "nucular."

My girlfriend says 'anythink'. I just don't fucking get it and I think she's getting annoyed at me correcting her, but really, that's just stupid.

I'd just like to add that I occasionally make a conscious effort to incorporate improper grammar in my day-to-day speech. It gives extra character to my lingering hometown dialect in the face of a new atmosphere and I have a good time using the southern technique of inventing new words by adding "ic" "ism" "ation" and "uckery" to whatever I see fit, and you can't do nothin about my ways. China style.

For example, if a stranger asks me for directions, I may reply "you're close, just scootch east a few - you'll see it boutaround the wal-mart downpass the crick," which is most likely true, but no doubt confusing, and since they'll probably misinterpret me, it alleviates any guilt I may feel for giving them the wrong directions in the first place.

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:17 PM, luke viia said:

I'd just like to add that I occasionally make a conscious effort to incorporate improper grammar in my day-to-day speech. It gives extra character to my lingering hometown dialect in the face of a new atmosphere and I have a good time using the southern technique of inventing new words by adding "ic" "ism" "ation" and "uckery" to whatever I see fit, and you can't do nothin about my ways. China style.

Style and grammar are two very different things. I think we all love ismisms.

Language might not be the defining factor in our civilisation; perhaps we could have got this far through mime?* But it certainly is one of the most important aspects of ourselves. We think in words as well as pictures and being able to describe and explain abstract thoughts in a code that can be learnt by another human is pretty amazing.

It's integral that the code is consistent and maintained or else confusion reigns and we might as well just sit around silently staring at eachother.

In the modern era, with rapid technological progression and world-wide communication at a whim, it must be maintained even more so.

Newspeak.

*Actually, it is the most important factor. Language enables us to keep a record that the human mind would distort or lose over a series of re-tellings (see: religion).

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:05 PM, loganfive said:

in speech,..

 

"can you be more pacific?". (specific)

 

"you can't bring your own drink in this premise" (on these premises)

 

 

our european cousins can often converse in a minimum of two languages, fluently. a lot of us brits can't even speak our own.

I think one good reason to speak/write properly is because so many people speak english as a second language and often speak it better than us, and it's embarassing.

English has a lot of subtleties to it which is why it is so amenable to poetry and puns and whatnot; there are perfectly good jokes to be had out of similar but unrelated words like specific and pacific, but if people can't tell them apart to begin with then they are lost.

wake - true, there is a pretty plain distinction.

I abuse the hell out of commas. I'd really like to stop that.

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:22 PM, Gary C said:

Language might not be the defining factor in our civilisation; perhaps we could have got this far through mime?* But it certainly is one of the most important aspects of ourselves. We think in words as well as pictures and being able to describe and explain abstract thoughts in a code that can be learnt by another human is pretty amazing.

It's integral that the code is consistent and maintained or else confusion reigns and we might as well just sit around silently staring at eachother.

In the modern era, with rapid technological progression and world-wide communication at a whim, it must be maintained even more so.

 

Newspeak.

 

*Actually, it is the most important factor. Language enables us to keep a record that the human mind would distort or lose over a series of re-tellings (see: religion).

Language gives us internal dialogue. It's what separates us from animals.

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:25 PM, luke viia said:

wake - true, there is a pretty plain distinction.

 

I abuse the hell out of commas. I'd really like to stop that.

I do too, but mostly they're to denote pauses in speech. In formal writing, I'm more careful.

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:22 PM, Gary C said:

Language might not be the defining factor in our civilisation; perhaps we could have got this far through mime?* But it certainly is one of the most important aspects of ourselves. We think in words as well as pictures and being able to describe and explain abstract thoughts in a code that can be learnt by another human is pretty amazing.

It's integral that the code is consistent and maintained or else confusion reigns and we might as well just sit around silently staring at eachother.

In the modern era, with rapid technological progression and world-wide communication at a whim, it must be maintained even more so.

 

Newspeak.

 

*Actually, it is the most important factor. Language enables us to keep a record that the human mind would distort or lose over a series of re-tellings (see: religion).

Body-language constitutes the majority of communication. So yes, your reasoning about keeping the proper grammar and understanding of written language in tact* during the digital age is very much true, but I'd argue that we have to keep in mind that the words themselves carry only a fraction of the implied meaning.

*

In tact, lol. Grammar errors in a grammar thread are lol.

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:27 PM, wake said:

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:22 PM, Gary C said:

Language might not be the defining factor in our civilisation; perhaps we could have got this far through mime?* But it certainly is one of the most important aspects of ourselves. We think in words as well as pictures and being able to describe and explain abstract thoughts in a code that can be learnt by another human is pretty amazing.

It's integral that the code is consistent and maintained or else confusion reigns and we might as well just sit around silently staring at eachother.

In the modern era, with rapid technological progression and world-wide communication at a whim, it must be maintained even more so.

 

Newspeak.

 

*Actually, it is the most important factor. Language enables us to keep a record that the human mind would distort or lose over a series of re-tellings (see: religion).

Language gives us internal dialogue. It's what separates us from animals.

Do Whales have tourettes?

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:31 PM, wake said:

In tact, lol. Grammar errors in a grammar thread are lol.

I facepalmed right after I posted that, haha.

you can't control people or their circumstance. have pride with yourself and your perfectly crafted sentences, but don't get all fussy - especially when the mistake is not consistent (or in some cases overly consistent and humorous :sup: )

I often post incorrectly around those who bother to correct my relatively minor mistakes in chatmm or on watmm. I find their tendency far more destructive to a conversation than my lack of an apostrophe. It destroys the flow of the discussion sometimes and is usually corrected in a demeaning tone.

misstakes happen :sup:

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:32 PM, luke viia said:

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:31 PM, wake said:

In tact, lol. Grammar errors in a grammar thread are lol.

 

I facepalmed right after I posted that, haha.

Hehe, it's okay. Look at Gary's capitalization. And it's his job!

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:31 PM, Gary C said:

Do Whales have tourettes?

Also, I have no idea what you mean by that.

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:33 PM, karmakramer said:

you can't control people or their circumstance. have pride with yourself and your perfectly crafted sentences, but don't get all fussy - especially when the mistake is not consistent (or in some cases overly consistent and humorous :sup: )

 

I often post incorrectly around those who bother to correct my relatively minor mistakes in chatmm or on watmm. I find their tendency far more destructive to a conversation than my lack of an apostrophe. It destroys the flow of the discussion sometimes and is usually corrected in a demeaning tone.

 

misstakes happen :sup:

 

 

 

 

 

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I usually correct people because I'd like for them to correct me when I make mistakes. I like learning. With that said, this is a thread about grammar pet peeves, not personality pet peeves. If it were about personality pet peeves, I'd throw passive aggressive in there.

Oh yeah, to be honest, I don't correct people on the internet or in a text message. I don't think I've ever corrected someone on WATMM. I'd only bother if they're clearly trying to use language properly and have simply slipped on something tricky.

I understand that people relax on the internet and type how they feel, but in a professional setting people need to know the rules.

I actually correct people much more often when they fail verbally. It must get to me a more. It's more immediate.

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:34 PM, wake said:

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:32 PM, luke viia said:

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:31 PM, wake said:

In tact, lol. Grammar errors in a grammar thread are lol.

 

I facepalmed right after I posted that, haha.

Hehe, it's okay. Look at Gary's capitalization. And it's his job!

 

  On 3/25/2011 at 1:31 PM, Gary C said:

Do Whales have tourettes?

The longer we're all in this thread, the more likely we are to completely destroy our arguments.

Whales () communicate via sound and vibration, right? Maybe they think about what they communicate before they dump it out there?