JAZZ - THE THREAD

  On 8/3/2015 at 2:39 AM, LimpyLoo said:

  On 8/3/2015 at 2:21 AM, delet... said:

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I know you like the bop and post-bop dude...but even if you don't like modern dudes, they're still worth studying for chops and ideas

there were no chops or ideas in that piece, maybe he has other's that would be interesting to my brain, i've been playing guitar for 24 years and and listening to it for far longer, so those aren't just vague concepts to be thrown around in a conversation to me, so i was just a little shocked that anyone could use the word 'innovative' for that quite weak guitar playing. People are into what they're into though.

/goes back to watmm hiatus, cause i'm probably just annoying everyone at this point. sorry.

  On 8/3/2015 at 2:55 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 8/3/2015 at 2:39 AM, LimpyLoo said:

  On 8/3/2015 at 2:21 AM, delet... said:

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I know you like the bop and post-bop dude...but even if you don't like modern dudes, they're still worth studying for chops and ideas

 

there were no chops or ideas in that piece, maybe he has other's that would be interesting to my brain, i've been playing guitar for 24 years and and listening to it for far longer. People are into what they're into though, i was just a little shocked that anyone could use the word 'innovative' for that quite weak guitar playing.

 

/goes back to watmm hiatus, cause i'm probably just annoying everyone at this point. sorry.

 

Do you know what "counterpoint" means? Either you don't (I'm guessing you do) or you weren't listening very closely.

I mean, since it's not very innovative, what guitarists were doing counterpart back in the 60's? I guess I must've missed all those guitarists who comfortably play two lines at once...

Finally got around to that new Kamasi Washington album, it's really great stuff. Up until track 14 that is, Cherokee, cheesy as fuck and really doesn't belong on there.

https://youtu.be/arAF4JsuSYo

  On 8/4/2015 at 10:29 AM, delet... said:

I like Stanley Jordan, but again I think this is simply a matter of our tastes diverging irreconcilably

To my ears, SJ was a dude who found an extremely novel way to play Joe Pass licks

Some of the quartal lines he plays are amazing (e.g. 1:38-1:45), I wish all of his playing was like that

Again, I like Joe Pass, Tal Farlow and those sorts of players

but my ears can only take so much traditional bop vocabulary

(again, this is not a judgement...but rather a matter of my own personal taste)

I remember discovering Joe Diorio in high school on an early Eddie Harris record

and I was floored by how he had taken the bop vocabulary and turned it a bit on its head

and I think ever since then I've had a sort of allergic reaction to new players who use straight-up bop language

P.S. I have a theory that Joe Diorio wrote "Freedom Jazz Dance"

Joe Diorio was in Eddie Harris' band from 1962 to 1964-ish

Eddie Harris never really played quartal stuff like the head of "Freedom Jazz Dance"

Joe Diorio, on the other hand, played that way often

here is an example of Diorio's quartal in-out playing (with near-identical chromatic side-slipping)

(and although this record is pretty recent, he's always played this way):

authorship of jazz tunes has always been controversial

(especially in cases of leaders taking credit for compositions of sidemen)

and I think this is another such case

Alright, so my recent undertaking is learning Coltrane's solo on "Countdown."

I can play it chorus by chorus, but I'm having trouble memorizing it.

I have the first chorus memorized but I always forget what's next.

I'll post my results as soon as I memorize all 8 choruses.

Alright so here's one of the projects I'm working on at the moment

(it's a bit academic but hey watcha gonna do)

melodic permutations of the circle of fifths

here's the first two etudes I've written so far:

the goal is really just to develop some more vocabulary for myself

something angular, geometric, mathematically elegant...

(unfortunately I did this a bit hastily so my guitar's out of tune lol)

Anyone here like Ben Monder?

Dude is insane...i've never heard anything quite like his stuff

very chamber-y and composer-y

courtesy of my old man's sunday afternoon jukebox favourites,

(grain alcohol optional, but refusal may cause offense)

  On 8/23/2015 at 2:48 AM, Jdub said:

I can't edit this post after 15 min :'(

Here's a better version:

1) my Julian Lage obsession rages on...

I recently found a clinic he did

on youtube

where he played 4 or 5 different (solo guitar) versions of 'Autumn Leaves'

and i was blown away by pretty much all of them

to me, that exemplifies the ideal improvising musician

his radical dynamics and 'gestures' (as he calls it)

his counterpoint and chord-melody ideas

his seamless integration of all his influences and interests

2) Ben Monder as well...with his achingly beautiful strain of schizophrenic chamber jazz

i owe my old man all/any jazz education exposure

yesterday he was cooking the sunday roast to this with a fuckin nice Pinot (& i rarely drink):

http://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Live-Evil/release/372913

that pic

i just stumbled upon some incredible sun ra stuff i had never heard before - so good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVhfDv6B_G4

play me some beautiful dreamy music, dear prince…

http://youtu.be/VihgeOi0Rn8

  On 11/9/2015 at 10:53 PM, romanticdude said:

play me some beautiful dreamy music, dear prince…

 

http://youtu.be/VihgeOi0Rn8