stupid first world problems you're dealing with

yeah, there's no such thing as a dangerous dog breed. just asshole owners.

there are dogs that are bred to be more aggressive, that's what breeding is about, it's not just about having a puppydog with strong jaw and big teeth, it's about having a fighting nature or a searching nature, or a running nature. Isn't it funny how we can say that it's fine to wipe out all the humans that own these dogs, they are just worthless trash, kill them all and yet feel nothing but compassion for the animal, it's only it's environment that made it that way, it's not a born predator. Perhaps it's the environment that made those people that way too, they'd be on a leash if they hadn't grown up in a ghetto being kicked around, neglected and beaten into the ghoulish form that you now find them in.

Or perhaps it's a little of both nature and nurture and we can look at it on a case by genetic make up basis.

nobody's seriously condoning murder

and if it were purely down to society's neglected populations, you'd have a point

but there are a mass of cunts, at least in Britain, who know exactly what they're doing and thats the issue, not that they didnt have enough love growing up

I'm off to work.

my laptop battery wont charge over 70%

wrong thread..

oh yeah - dating.

There was some viscous, sticky stuff all over my phone when I went to grab it from the coffee table. The stuff wasn't on it 5 minutes before. And the stuff wasn't anywhere else. Am I being sexually harassed by a demon?

  On 7/6/2015 at 11:28 AM, baph said:

There was some viscous, sticky stuff all over my phone when I went to grab it from the coffee table. The stuff wasn't on it 5 minutes before. And the stuff wasn't anywhere else. Am I being sexually harassed by a demon?

Ectoplasm semen

Puppyslug residue

Uni turned me down again for next year, at least one of the two I wanted, still waiting for the other to answer. Been two years now since I got my bachelor's degree and have last been to school, I keep getting told to fuck off without much explanation. Dunno what I've done wrong but it's starting to sound like I'll have to make do with what I have and take whatever job I find... Fuck these guys.

  On 7/6/2015 at 5:31 AM, delet... said:

there are dogs that are bred to be more aggressive, that's what breeding is about, it's not just about having a puppydog with strong jaw and big teeth, it's about having a fighting nature or a searching nature, or a running nature. Isn't it funny how we can say that it's fine to wipe out all the humans that own these dogs, they are just worthless trash, kill them all and yet feel nothing but compassion for the animal, it's only it's environment that made it that way, it's not a born predator. Perhaps it's the environment that made those people that way too, they'd be on a leash if they hadn't grown up in a ghetto being kicked around, neglected and beaten into the ghoulish form that you now find them in.

 

Or perhaps it's a little of both nature and nurture and we can look at it on a case by genetic make up basis.

No, dogs aren't bred to be more aggressive, there are just certain owners who mistreat their dogs and train them to be assholes, and they tend to favour certain breeds of dogs. It wouldn't be impossible to breed dogs for aggressiveness actually, would only take a handful of generations (Russians did an interesting experiment with foxes that proves this), but that isn't what's happening here, you kick most any dog around and train him the right (wrong) way and they'll end up the same.

Is it the same with humans? Probably to a degree, the assholishness is probably innate, but how it finds ways to express itself will vary wildly depending on circumstance.

  On 7/9/2015 at 12:55 PM, caze said:

 

  On 7/6/2015 at 5:31 AM, delet... said:

there are dogs that are bred to be more aggressive, that's what breeding is about, it's not just about having a puppydog with strong jaw and big teeth, it's about having a fighting nature or a searching nature, or a running nature. Isn't it funny how we can say that it's fine to wipe out all the humans that own these dogs, they are just worthless trash, kill them all and yet feel nothing but compassion for the animal, it's only it's environment that made it that way, it's not a born predator. Perhaps it's the environment that made those people that way too, they'd be on a leash if they hadn't grown up in a ghetto being kicked around, neglected and beaten into the ghoulish form that you now find them in.

 

Or perhaps it's a little of both nature and nurture and we can look at it on a case by genetic make up basis.

 

No, dogs aren't bred to be more aggressive, there are just certain owners who mistreat their dogs and train them to be assholes, and they tend to favour certain breeds of dogs. It wouldn't be impossible to breed dogs for aggressiveness actually, would only take a handful of generations (Russians did an interesting experiment with foxes that proves this), but that isn't what's happening here, you kick most any dog around and train him the right (wrong) way and they'll end up the same.

 

Is it the same with humans? Probably to a degree, the assholishness is probably innate, but how it finds ways to express itself will vary wildly depending on circumstance.

 

lol have you had a dog at some point in your life, methinks perhaps that there are as yet undiscovered dog born amoeba effecting dog owners, we must get the word out, this could be big, explain much.

Also, the russians were replicating domestication and tamed the fox by selective breeding. Which then interestingly caused changes in fur colour and many of the things we see in dogs, like curled tails, etc. Nwae, to suggest that something called a fighting dog hasn't been bred to be such, not just in physical form but temperament is to be rather an odd thinker. There are many examples from the media of these types of dogs being seen as good family animals, going nuts when a small child strays into their garden. What is probably happening to cause your assessment is that a good owner is conditioning a naturally aggressive animal to be less so. Veering it's core nature towards a more sensible direction. What they should have done instead is buy something less stupid, or a cat.

Yeah pretty much what delet said re: certain breeds of dogs bred to be more aggressive.

no

  On 7/10/2015 at 12:06 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 12:55 PM, caze said:

 

  On 7/6/2015 at 5:31 AM, delet... said:

there are dogs that are bred to be more aggressive, that's what breeding is about, it's not just about having a puppydog with strong jaw and big teeth, it's about having a fighting nature or a searching nature, or a running nature. Isn't it funny how we can say that it's fine to wipe out all the humans that own these dogs, they are just worthless trash, kill them all and yet feel nothing but compassion for the animal, it's only it's environment that made it that way, it's not a born predator. Perhaps it's the environment that made those people that way too, they'd be on a leash if they hadn't grown up in a ghetto being kicked around, neglected and beaten into the ghoulish form that you now find them in.

 

Or perhaps it's a little of both nature and nurture and we can look at it on a case by genetic make up basis.

 

No, dogs aren't bred to be more aggressive, there are just certain owners who mistreat their dogs and train them to be assholes, and they tend to favour certain breeds of dogs. It wouldn't be impossible to breed dogs for aggressiveness actually, would only take a handful of generations (Russians did an interesting experiment with foxes that proves this), but that isn't what's happening here, you kick most any dog around and train him the right (wrong) way and they'll end up the same.

 

Is it the same with humans? Probably to a degree, the assholishness is probably innate, but how it finds ways to express itself will vary wildly depending on circumstance.

 

 

lol have you had a dog at some point in your life, methinks perhaps that there are as yet undiscovered dog born amoeba effecting dog owners, we must get the word out, this could be big, explain much.

 

Also, the russians were replicating domestication and tamed the fox by selective breeding. Which then interestingly caused changes in fur colour and many of the things we see in dogs, like curled tails, etc. Nwae, to suggest that something called a fighting dog hasn't been bred to be such, not just in physical form but temperament is to be rather an odd thinker. There are many examples from the media of these types of dogs being seen as good family animals, going nuts when a small child strays into their garden. What is probably happening to cause your assessment is that a good owner is conditioning a naturally aggressive animal to be less so. Veering it's core nature towards a more sensible direction. What they should have done instead is buy something less stupid, or a cat.

 

the russians did two experiments with foxes, one was to breed tameness, another to bread aggressiveness. so, while I am saying it's possible to do, I'm also saying it's not actually being done. unless you can provide some evidence to the contrary?

your example of random dog attacks proves nothing with respect to dog breeds, as it happens with all kinds of dogs, from small yappy feckers to big dogs. any dog can attack a human, for a multitude of reasons, their is no correlation between dog breed and innate violent behavior. you, my friend, are a dog racist.

Fuck dogs, they're just posers who wish they were wolves

(actually some dogs are OK, corgis are cute ) (yes I know it's not a corgi, suck my lipstick)

  On 7/10/2015 at 12:35 AM, caze said:

 

  On 7/10/2015 at 12:06 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 12:55 PM, caze said:

 

  On 7/6/2015 at 5:31 AM, delet... said:

there are dogs that are bred to be more aggressive, that's what breeding is about, it's not just about having a puppydog with strong jaw and big teeth, it's about having a fighting nature or a searching nature, or a running nature. Isn't it funny how we can say that it's fine to wipe out all the humans that own these dogs, they are just worthless trash, kill them all and yet feel nothing but compassion for the animal, it's only it's environment that made it that way, it's not a born predator. Perhaps it's the environment that made those people that way too, they'd be on a leash if they hadn't grown up in a ghetto being kicked around, neglected and beaten into the ghoulish form that you now find them in.

 

Or perhaps it's a little of both nature and nurture and we can look at it on a case by genetic make up basis.

 

No, dogs aren't bred to be more aggressive, there are just certain owners who mistreat their dogs and train them to be assholes, and they tend to favour certain breeds of dogs. It wouldn't be impossible to breed dogs for aggressiveness actually, would only take a handful of generations (Russians did an interesting experiment with foxes that proves this), but that isn't what's happening here, you kick most any dog around and train him the right (wrong) way and they'll end up the same.

 

Is it the same with humans? Probably to a degree, the assholishness is probably innate, but how it finds ways to express itself will vary wildly depending on circumstance.

 

 

lol have you had a dog at some point in your life, methinks perhaps that there are as yet undiscovered dog born amoeba effecting dog owners, we must get the word out, this could be big, explain much.

 

Also, the russians were replicating domestication and tamed the fox by selective breeding. Which then interestingly caused changes in fur colour and many of the things we see in dogs, like curled tails, etc. Nwae, to suggest that something called a fighting dog hasn't been bred to be such, not just in physical form but temperament is to be rather an odd thinker. There are many examples from the media of these types of dogs being seen as good family animals, going nuts when a small child strays into their garden. What is probably happening to cause your assessment is that a good owner is conditioning a naturally aggressive animal to be less so. Veering it's core nature towards a more sensible direction. What they should have done instead is buy something less stupid, or a cat.

 

 

the russians did two experiments with foxes, one was to breed tameness, another to bread aggressiveness. so, while I am saying it's possible to do, I'm also saying it's not actually being done. unless you can provide some evidence to the contrary?

 

your example of random dog attacks proves nothing with respect to dog breeds, as it happens with all kinds of dogs, from small yappy feckers to big dogs. any dog can attack a human, for a multitude of reasons, their is no correlation between dog breed and innate violent behavior. you, my friend, are a dog racist.

 

Evidence: http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attack-deaths-maimings-merritt-clifton-2014.pdf

that's not evidence of shit. where are the controls?

it's also filled with unsourced conjecture.

unsurprising, as it's from an advocacy group.

show me something unbiased.

  On 7/10/2015 at 1:44 AM, caze said:

that's not evidence of shit. where are the controls?

it's also filled with unsourced conjecture.

unsurprising, as it's from an advocacy group.

show me something unbiased.

http://www.whyihatedogs.com/

You can't refute evidence like this.

  On 7/10/2015 at 1:44 AM, caze said:

that's not evidence of shit. where are the controls?

it's also filled with unsourced conjecture.

unsurprising, as it's from an advocacy group.

show me something unbiased.

What controls would you like? In a study of attacks by dogs, pit bulls were by far and away the most likely breed of dog to attack.

What unsourced conjecture - they clearly state where they get their numbers.

But fine here's another study, from a non-biased group:

https://www.avma.org/News/Journals/Collections/Documents/javma_218_12_1923.pdf

Where 42% of dog bite-related deaths were caused by pit bulls.

And another: https://www.avma.org/News/Journals/Collections/Documents/javma_217_6_836.pdf

Where more than half of dog bite-related fatalities were from pit-bulls or Rottweilers.

Yes - other dogs can bite. This is an obvious fact. Yes, environment can play a role in a dog's behaviour. But to deny that there is something in the breeding of these dogs is willful ignorance.

what an asshole.

lol, not you chen, the ihatedogs guy. you nipped in there before I replied.

Pit bull isn't even an actual, specific breed, it's not recognized by any of the breeders association.

It is used broadly to describe (often terriers) dogs that were bred to fight.

A quick wikipedia search:

Pit bulls were created by breeding bulldogs and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the bulldog.^[3] In the United Kingdom, these dogs were used in blood sports such as bull-baiting, bear-baiting and cock fighting.

Just sayin'...

  On 7/10/2015 at 2:06 AM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 7/10/2015 at 1:44 AM, caze said:

that's not evidence of shit. where are the controls?

it's also filled with unsourced conjecture.

unsurprising, as it's from an advocacy group.

show me something unbiased.

 

What controls would you like? In a study of attacks by dogs, pit bulls were by far and away the most likely breed of dog to attack.

What unsourced conjecture - they clearly state where they get their numbers.

 

But fine here's another study, from a non-biased group:

https://www.avma.org/News/Journals/Collections/Documents/javma_218_12_1923.pdf

Where 42% of dog bite-related deaths were caused by pit bulls.

 

And another: https://www.avma.org/News/Journals/Collections/Documents/javma_217_6_836.pdf

Where more than half of dog bite-related fatalities were from pit-bulls or Rottweilers.

 

Yes - other dogs can bite. This is an obvious fact. Yes, environment can play a role in a dog's behaviour. But to deny that there is something in the breeding of these dogs is willful ignorance.

 

I'm not disputing the numbers, but they don't prove anything about innate prevalence of breeds to violence. if you don't control for the environmental conditions then the numbers are completely meaningless wrt breeds. breeds like pit bulls and rottweilers, due to their physical characteristics, and reinforced by their reputation, are far more common as guard dogs, fighting dogs, drug dealer's dogs, dog's of general assholes, all situations that reinforce violence from day one. plant a golden retriever into any of those situations and the likelihood of violence would be just as great as with any other breed.

the unsourced conjecture I was referring to was with the descriptions of the dogs behavioural traits at the end btw, not the numbers.