fuck most modern electronic music

i cant even tell if youre being 4 serious

  On 1/15/2012 at 6:53 PM, LUDD said:

how about this?

 

yeeeeeeeee.mp3 966 kB · 38 downloads

dont be coy with me. you and bcm are already signed. now we just need solid "albums"

I understand what you mean and feel somewhat the same about other things as well. I could type a whole lot of things here, but I'm not going to. I'm pretty bad with words and tend to get boring

I've been thinking about it and maybe it's not so bad that most things are mediocre and superficial. It's for the masses and it works pretty well. Not everyone thinks music is that important or has to be original. It makes 'good' music stand out that much more.

I asked myself the same thing about you.

Because to claim all Electronic music is shit and that they all sound alike is asinine at the very least. So either something is wrong with you, or you can't be serious.

oh hey it's this thread again

well lets not get carried away here and start arguing, but you dont seem to have read the thread very well (edit: @ ziggo)

im not gonna sit hear anymore and repeat statements ive already made. ill be back in a few hours, and it would be awesome if somehow up'd a sweet track they made, that they are sincere about releasing. its 2012 my friends, times a tickin

good luck to you!

WHAT THE HELL? WHy am I one of the only people who agree with ET? I honestly just expected 2 pages of "Yeah we all know it already, get over it".

To be honest... that's my response man... get over it... I keep myself pretty busy just going back to older music, but then maybe I just haven't spent as much money on music as you.

But I like that you said you'd start your own label to set things straight. You know what? DO IT. Either that, or there's not really much else you can do about it.

  On 1/15/2012 at 3:51 PM, ET said:

i dont know if im living in a hole, or emotionally dead inside, but am i the only one who thinks that lots of electronic music coming out in the last few years totally sucks?! its so boring! it seems to me that most new stuff coming out is just shitty recycling of old concepts, boring digital fuckery of beats and sounds, or amateur compositions that sound like fourteen year old kids discovering fruity loops. often it sounds like the artist is hardly even trying. is that supposed to be something cool, or do these people secretly hate good music or something? i dont know, maybe im crazy, but ive seriously been really disappointed in the state of electronic music as of late. without getting into specifics, i can simply say that some of the featured artists on this website have released lots of really average music over the years, and ill eat my hat if im the only one here that thinks that. not only that, some of the most popular labels spouted about on this forum have led me to constant disappointment, and ultimately a loss of interest in the label itself. you know who you are...you bastard(s)

 

allow me to share some releases i have enjoyed over the last few years. in no order... the massive attack / burial release was fucking amazing. can people start making music this good all the time, or do we have for another forever? maybe its not even coming! i was loving jody kendrick when it came out, same with com truise. fuck, this is actually difficult for me to even come up with releases that really hit me, only furthering my point that this stuff sucks now. even some of my favorite artists who i grew up with and loved, seem to just release really kind of average music. seriously...is this a thing now? not caring? that movement hit rock music decades ago, and i either missed that part about electronic music, or we are entering into a hell zone the likes of which nobody has ever seen

 

stop making shitty average electronic music! if you do, please dont release it! stop wasting wasting everyones fucking time you tricksters

 

if steinvord sucks im starting my own label and its going to kick ass

you haven't heard most modern electronic music.

There isn't more shitty music now, you just don't remember/weren't exposed to all the shitty forgettable music from the 90s. What, do you think most of the rock music that came out in the 60s was *60s rock band of choice* calibre?

If so you're turning into a crotchety old man

ET, then you should probably rename the title and just to clarify I was referring to modern as well. "modern era, describes the historical timeline after the Middle Ages"

Don't get me wrong I still listen to the old shit, but you know what. siriusmo is pretty good, so Is Arovane, Aleksi Perala, Dave Monolith, and lots of other great modern folks including many WATMM artists.

So either you need specify what time frame you mean when you say modern or you mean the time taking place after the middle ages, which includes the great Aphex himself.

So, Boom, Roasted.

well man, all i was referring to was a decline of quality over the last decade or so. i wasnt trying to get too specific or anything, just generalizing. im more interested in hearing what people think about this label of mine, and the music involved. so far, ludds our star musician. great...

ET why do you act like "the man" is taking away 90's electronic music?? you know you can still listen to it right??

Its not like you are being forced to delete all of your 90's electronic music and listen to whatever horse shit Resident Advisor decides for us to like.

Alva Noto

Kangding Ray

Andy stott

Ancient methods

T++

Monolake

AND

the Fear Ratio

Cut Hands

Ugandan Speed trials

Rob Hood

Datasette

Perc

Jon Convex

Nathan Fake

Mark Fell

Have a go at those and see how you go on. There is tonnes of amazing electronic music coming out month after month.

So I guess this is not a rule 34 kind of thread.

gets Oneohtrix point never Rift cds, its a modern (yet retro) classic

Electronic music is only good if it has amens, 303s and snare rushes.

Oh, and Karakasa obviously

I wonder if the guys over on the breakfast enthusiast forums ever make threads along the lines of "MOST MODERN BACON DISHES ARE SHITTY"

  On 1/15/2012 at 7:59 PM, ET said:

im more interested in hearing what people think about this label of mine, and the music involved. so far, ludds our star musician. great...

record label needs records

The best cure against the bad music is the good music. The reason why nowadays there is so much "shitty" music is mostly because people are more into fame/money whatever, and don't really care about the music itself. Also we could say that if more people who actually about the music itself would start making their ownmusic, and also let other people hear it, the music situation worldwide would be a lot better. So, the cure is simple: Instead of philosophizing about how bad music is, do something about it - create your own music, and show that you actually care about the music itself. At least try and do your best. Same goes for art in general. Maybe masses are deluded and can't think on their own, but there are still people who care about the original and creative music. Or maybe there aren't (that many). In that case, oh well... It ultimately just depends on your own personal choice - you could always say:"Fuck being original and trying to make something new and interesting, I'll just make something most people like." One could say that it is a good move, being conformistic and making music masses want to hear, but that still doesn't make music anything better. When most of the people can't recognize quality or simply don't care about it, who really cares what they're listening to, and what they expect artists to make? Of course, it's not all that simple at all, but ultimately there is always this choice whether you'll make something you truly care about, no matter what other people think, or not. Ideally, what you truly want to make, no matters what others want, and what others want to hear, is maybe the ultimate goal. We must also not forget that musicians themselves are people, and maybe also the reason they make bad music is simply because they haven't evolved enough on artistic scale, and their fans are also somewhere on the same level with them.

  On 1/15/2012 at 11:38 PM, Freak of the week said:

So, the cure is simple: Instead of philosophizing about how bad music is, do something about it - create your own music, and show that you actually care about the music itself. At least try and do your best.

the thing is, everyone seems to be doing this.

and wanting to doesn't necessarily mean being good at doing so.

  On 1/15/2012 at 7:45 PM, Cryptowen said:

There isn't more shitty music now, you just don't remember/weren't exposed to all the shitty forgettable music from the 90s.

Exactly. It was a time frame for music with unforgettable and forgettable things alike, there was a lot of garbage that came with the good. Feeling nostalgic about what Aphex Twin, Autechre and Boards of Canada did in the early 90's doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean newer musicians are incompetent or uninspired. There's been great music in the past few years - Andy Stott, Machinedrum, Actress - granted, it's not pure old school IDM, but that shouldn't take away their merit.

i wish producers would just go back to using hardware samplers and synths, mixing shit down on a real mixing desk. using a computer just for MIDI sequencing.

even if the ideas suck, atleast the sound quality will be on par with the 90's productions.

  On 1/15/2012 at 11:38 PM, Freak of the week said:

The best cure against the bad music is the good music. The reason why nowadays there is so much "shitty" music is mostly because people are more into fame/money whatever, and don't really care about the music itself.

I really wish people would stop touting their opinions and suspicions as facts. There is no way you could actually know that "people... don't really care about the music itself" right now, primarily because you do not directly communicate with all people making and listening to the music in question. The only possible truth in that statement is that the music that you listen to is made by people who just want money; so get away from those artists and explore the myriad musicians who DO write music for its own sake. There are enormous amounts of people who write music simply because they love it - go to Soundcloud and find them, talk to them, collaborate with them. Half-baked assumptions like the one quoted above, included in arguments solely for the purpose of reinforcing the points the arguer already wants to make clear, are not realistic assessments of what's actually happening. What would even cause you to think that musicians now are more into fame/money "whatever" than they were in previous generations, besides that it's an easy answer to the question posed? I mean let's think about this: If anything, the focus has seemed to shift away from that money-grubbing attitude. Less money is needed to make professional sounding music now, and the chances of making substantial amounts of money from writing music have dropped a huge amount over the last decade (or two) - yet there is seemingly more music available to us all and being made every day than ever before. Electronic musicians would be fools to write music with the intent of getting signed to major labels and going on world tours. Money is no longer the focal point, and the argument that "more people just want to make money and that's why music is shitty" does not line up with the reality of the situation.

Cryptowen was right earlier in the thread when he said

  On 1/15/2012 at 7:45 PM, Cryptowen said:

There isn't more shitty music now, you just don't remember/weren't exposed to all the shitty forgettable music from the 90s. What, do you think most of the rock music that came out in the 60s was *60s rock band of choice* calibre?

  On 1/15/2012 at 11:40 PM, ruiagnelo said:

  On 1/15/2012 at 11:38 PM, Freak of the week said:

So, the cure is simple: Instead of philosophizing about how bad music is, do something about it - create your own music, and show that you actually care about the music itself. At least try and do your best.

 

the thing is, everyone seems to be doing this.

and wanting to doesn't necessarily mean being good at doing so.

Well, yes. As I said, not everybody is on the same level when it comes to art. We could philosophize about the true value of art for whole eternity, but in my opinion, although there is a lot of subjectivity when it comes to valorization of art, there is also a certain amount of objectivity. In my opinion, whatever somebody might think, I think what makes a great artist is his ability to express some aspect of reality/emotions/ideas, which everybody is aware of, but only a true artist transforms it into some medium, so that other people, when exposed to their art, experience those same emotions and ideas. True art should in my opinion be timeless. For example, when I first heard Grass from SAW2 (AKA SAW2 CD1 TRK5) I had the impression that I heard the same or very similar music in my dreams before, but RDJ was the one who actually managed to transform it to music, and so let other people hear it. Same is for Kladfvgbung Micshk (among others). I would was also like to say that one of the first RDJ songs that really impressed me was Wet Tip Hen Ax, in a way that when I would listen to it, and still listen to it, I felt/feel like it captures certain ideas, and spirit, if I could say so, of a places where have I been before. Now I have this feeling for specific places/events for many of RDJ/Ae/Boc songs. Of course, it's not truly about physical places, but rather something about them that is in my opinion timeless.

What is important is what somebody wants from himself and his art. If he's doing his best and tries to improve himself, then that's what matters, because, as I said, not everybody is on the same level. One's own evolution is what is important. Some people are, what we might say, geniuses, like RDJ, and are simply pioneers and leaders, while others are harshly said followers, although everybody adds little something of his own, in my opinion, no matter how small it is. What needs to truly be worshipped is the idea of trying to be creative and original, and explore yourself in a way that you reach the places and discover the talents you haven't thought you have.

This all may sound toonice and ideal, but that is my opinion, and eventually it all, in my opinion, ends up here.