XI year old Autechre Album Released: Exai (WARP234)

I have no idea what's going on any more, but I think we should deffo post more abjectly tasteless comparisons between the musicians we hate, and real-life Vietnam era suffering. Waiting for "Actress self-immolation", "Actress running naked from napalm" and "Actress getting shot in the head by Vietnamese commandant"

  On 2/1/2013 at 10:47 AM, panz0r said:

i enjoy the actress hate in this thread.

same

vietnam is old school bra.. never forget

  On 2/1/2013 at 10:46 AM, Stickfigger said:

does anyone in this thread make better music than Actress? If so, please link to me.

alright

This thread just got edgy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-1xjA21bNs

Stickfigger, don't be so sure you will hate it because of this thread. Actress R.I.P is currently in the lead for Watmm's AOTY poll. Perhaps the reason for the hate he is receiving.

I love AE's and Actress's music personally. Very different atmospheres and personality too. So I fail to see the need to compare them.

im guessing like a 65% on rotten tomatoes

  On 2/1/2013 at 11:08 AM, compson said:

Actress R.I.P is currently in the lead for Watmm's AOTY poll. Perhaps the reason for the hate he is receiving.

 

 

 

Just goes to show you don't even need to be good at making music to win AOTY.

Cute trolling guys lol

But even on Pitchfork's worst days, you guys sound more hipster.

  On 2/1/2013 at 11:09 AM, Awepittance said:

Ugh, not this guy. Please keep him out of threads concerning the mighty 'chre.

plz

edit: Looking at the last two pages or so, I guess I'm starting to understand why even VSnares doesn't want to be a part of this place. The shit is this shit.

  On 1/31/2013 at 10:07 PM, Awepittance said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 12:39 PM, vincentvc said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 12:22 PM, Fredd-E said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 9:54 AM, Awepittance said:

whatever autechre are doing in these new clips it just puts so many other electronic producers to shame. IT's soaked in a lot of processing and various effects sooooo much better than all these half-assed musicians who just put everything through record crackle filter or bandpass or sonic decimator or fake tape hiss filter. AE wins again. (fuck actress)

Why the hate towards Actress? The last days I've been listening his three albums on Spotify repeatedly and I really like what I'm hearing. It's definitely a style on its own. Sounds fresh. Why comparing it to AE btw? I don't really see the connection.

Other than that Actress mentions Autechre in interviews I agree; apples and oranges.

 

Actress

The way I approach music is much more from a sculptural perspective. You build algorithms. You can layer those algorithms so they become marble-like. Autechre do the complete opposite to what I do. You can see the axis, you can feel what they’re rotating around certain things. What I do is the same but I smudge it completely, so you can feel the axis but you can’t get that clarity of where it is. I like things to drip. There’s execution and there’s perfection and even though I’m a perfectionist I don’t like having something that’s so perfect you can’t see the flaws. You have to have a sense of there being a flaw in it, because essentially I’m human and I want a human aspect always to be there in my music.

http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/13235/1/exclusive-actress-rip-film-interview

 

And again, 30 second 128kbps previews dudes!

 

Btw Obel or JR, can I just put the 30sec mp3-links here?

 

cool so he admits he 'smudges it completely' the same facade all modern electronic shit 'abstract' producers do because they don't have real sound design skills so they have to absolutely soak the music and entire mixdown in shitty effects. Welcome to 2013 guys. At least when you're going to 'smudge' something , do it in an interesting way, not just turn all the dithering effects up to 11.

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 1:06 PM, Amen Lare said:

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  On 1/31/2013 at 12:22 PM, Fredd-E said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 9:54 AM, Awepittance said:

whatever autechre are doing in these new clips it just puts so many other electronic producers to shame. IT's soaked in a lot of processing and various effects sooooo much better than all these half-assed musicians who just put everything through record crackle filter or bandpass or sonic decimator or fake tape hiss filter. AE wins again. (fuck actress)

Why the hate towards Actress? The last days I've been listening his three albums on Spotify repeatedly and I really like what I'm hearing. It's definitely a style on its own. Sounds fresh. Why comparing it to AE btw? I don't really see the connection.

 

I don't hate him, but there is certainly something wrong with the level of worshipping of his releases from hip webzines up to specialist magazines like The Wire. I had listened to a lot of minimal techno and other non-idm electronic stuff back in 00's that had no attention from outside the scenes, and then Actress, sounding like complete and not always inspiring re-hash of those ideas, suddenly has unique style and fresh sound, talking about being opposite to Ae. A couple of years ago he also wrote on his twitter that AFX was god but current Zomby is probably better than AFX.

 

wow, just wow. Most overhyped artist of 2012 easily, i guess this is what Terrence Mckenna meant by us reaching 'full novelty'

 

his newest track sounds like he's doing flying lotus vs zomby (at their worst) through a fucking bit crusher, what the bloody hell has happened is my question. I'm not arguing with the fact that people get genuine emotional resonance from it... but are any actual music producers here in any way impressed by his sound?

 

its interesting he would bring up Zomby because that's another artist who's amateur sound was mistaken by many as some kind of brilliant invention, when it seemed just sort of at best an 'enlightened amateur' approach.

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 10:15 PM, Awepittance said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 12:22 PM, Fredd-E said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 9:54 AM, Awepittance said:

whatever autechre are doing in these new clips it just puts so many other electronic producers to shame. IT's soaked in a lot of processing and various effects sooooo much better than all these half-assed musicians who just put everything through record crackle filter or bandpass or sonic decimator or fake tape hiss filter. AE wins again. (fuck actress)

Why the hate towards Actress? The last days I've been listening his three albums on Spotify repeatedly and I really like what I'm hearing. It's definitely a style on its own. Sounds fresh. Why comparing it to AE btw? I don't really see the connection.

the connection is that Actress is wrongly described as being unique and original when Autechre knocks so many dicks out of their mouths its not even funny in terms of truly carving their own path instead of being a mashup of other previously existing avant-electronic producers (on RIP i hear Coil, basic channel, aphex and autechre influences blatantly being recycled)

 

the only 'original' points Actress gets is using all these blatant influences to a 'bedroom hyper compressed 4 track recorder' retro fetishized modern sound that kids love these days. Not terribly original at all, and since the music is so basic and unevolving it actually is shocking to me how excited people are about the music.

 

*crosses fingers he drops in this thread to face his reckoning*

Since when does music have to be non-basic and evolving in order to be interesting? There's for instance lots of monotonous techno that a lot of people can appreciate in the right context. Not everything has to be oh-so-difficult production-wise.

Also let's for instance take into consideration Plastikman / Richie Hawtin. His music sounds pretty "basic" with a lot of subtle progression/effects but still it's really interesting to me. It doesn't have to be overly difficult to the point where it's hardly listenable to be enjoyable. I also prefer the more easy listening tracks by Autechre. I can't get my kicks out of the too experimental songs by them.

Which leads me to the following, your hatred towards Actress definitely stems from the lack of super-duper-production-techniques which you seem to focus on in all your rants about his music. For you it apparently needs to be super complex for you to be able to enjoy music. Luckily for you Autechre fills in that void a lot of times, but I reckon you are turned off by a lot of other music due to the lack of "intelligent production design"? Try listening his music from a different perspective. From a non-producer aspect.

Why do I like Actress? His music is a fun listen. Cool sounds, nice flow. There are definitely influences from a lot of music subgenres I do also appreciate. It sounds really enjoyable combined. Perhaps not super original in a way, but still I haven't heard anyone else combining stuff like he does. I'm specifically talking about the albums: Hazyville (2008), Splazsh (2010) and R.I.P. (2012). I've been listening these three multiple times the last days; hadn't really heard of him before reading all the hate in this thread. So thanks for a fine recommendation. Appreciated! :)

Also I couldn't really care less how music is produced. Wether it's produced in a bedroom with fruity loops or in a massive studio with a lot of cool analogue gear. To me, and I reckon also a lot of other music enthousiasts, the end product is what counts. In the end I just want to hear great music.

you have it wrong, i have a special disdain for the sort of muffled sound he does. I don't know why i hate it so much. Richie Hawtin never put his entire mixdown through a fake tape hiss filter and made it sound like it was playing under water. He was confident enough to put his sounds clearly in a mix. Consumed is probably the most 'muffled' album he did, but he didnt rely on putting the entire mixdown through an effect, each sound has a quality to it to give it that overall sound. Did i already mention that i don't like when an electronic artist puts his entire mixdown through some kind of muffling filter?

it doesnt need to be complex. i'd just like to hear what music by Actress sounds like when its not relying so fundamentally on different forms of sound dithering effects. Once that happens we shall meet again to discuss new semi rational reasons why i dislike it

I like RIP and I like ae. Can you dig?

That said, that actress interview made me want to club him like a baby seal.

Though, ae often sounded like snotty jerks (especially in earlier interviews. And RDJ is a twat. Since when did we start judging IDM stars on personality?

Fredd E check out the Harrier/Gershwin and new Silver Cloud EPs as well if you have only heard the albums.

^ this is such a dope beat

My mod powers appear to be malfunctioning, I'm unable to split these posts into another AE - Actress discussion thread, which I'd like to do. Because talking about Actress in an Exai thread is like talking about rap music at a Ku Klux Klan convention. Unwelcome.

the part about clubbing him like a baby seal however would probably fit in perfectly at said convention

i am truly sorry for my contributions to this thread, sincere apologies. No more mentions from me unless someone else does it first (im looking at you obel)

  On 2/1/2013 at 11:34 AM, compson said:

Fredd E check out the Harrier/Gershwin and new Silver Cloud EPs as well if you have only heard the albums.

 

 

^ this is such a dope beat

Will check his EPs soon. Thanks for the recommendation.

  On 2/1/2013 at 11:32 AM, Awepittance said:

you have it wrong, i have a special disdain for the sort of muffled sound he does. I don't know why i hate it so much. Richie Hawtin never put his entire mixdown through a fake tape hiss filter and made it sound like it was playing under water. He was confident enough to put his sounds clearly in a mix. Consumed is probably the most 'muffled' album he did, but he didnt rely on putting the entire mixdown through an effect, each sound has a quality to it to give it that overall sound. Did i already mention that i don't like when an electronic artist puts his entire mixdown through some kind of muffling filter?

 

it doesnt need to be complex. i'd just like to hear what music by Actress sounds like when its not relying so fundamentally on different forms of sound dithering effects. Once that happens we shall meet again to discuss new semi rational reasons why i dislike it

/agree. I'll see you when the sun sets east, don't forget me.

Obel, don't worry about splitting it off, it'll end when more news about exai arrives

Yes, lets get back to the Exai

  On 2/1/2013 at 11:39 AM, Awepittance said:

(im looking at you obel)

Alright I'm si

ck of being accused of s

tarting other people off. I can't be blamed if othe

rs want to discuss th

e music of different arti

sts. Even if I don't like the mu

sic of said artist.

Seems like people j

ust like a

cathartic moan once in a while. I thin

k everybody on here ju

st needs to calm down

.

AHEM

What's this continual general talk on music forums/blogs of 'it doesn't matter how it is made, the end result is important', like that just should be an absolute rule for all listeners? It's equally valid to totally care about the HOW and hear and think from that angle, producer or non-producer. Also, I yearn for more music that is intricately modelled - where sounds/fx seem micro-managed, because most music doesn't seem to be that way. Which is fine, but when 90% of stuff is either pop in production or 'experimental' in the sense that there's one 'avant-garde' sound experiment going on, music that is actually interestingly put together with lots of fascinating little components as well as a great 'overall picture'...well wow, that's something special, and worth exploring. :-)

  On 2/1/2013 at 7:17 AM, encey said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 12:27 PM, Aserinsky said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 8:15 AM, vproc said:

Oh and encey or Asersinsky, some kinda swordfighting/fencing/LARPing video for bladelores, maybe?

 

lol, encey you better regrow that beard, wear your finest medieval armour, dig out a sword and hop on a plane to the UK with a video camera. I'M CALLING YOU OUT

 

 

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  On 1/31/2013 at 12:27 PM, Aserinsky said:

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  On 1/31/2013 at 8:15 AM, vproc said:

Oh and encey or Asersinsky, some kinda swordfighting/fencing/LARPing video for bladelores, maybe?

 

lol, encey you better regrow that beard, wear your finest medieval armour, dig out a sword and hop on a plane to the UK with a video camera. I'M CALLING YOU OUT

 

 

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  On 1/31/2013 at 1:21 PM, Aserinsky said:

Let's not get too down about things, there are more important matters to attend to...

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 12:27 PM, Aserinsky said:

 

  On 1/31/2013 at 8:15 AM, vproc said:

Oh and encey or Asersinsky, some kinda swordfighting/fencing/LARPing video for bladelores, maybe?

 

lol, encey you better regrow that beard, wear your finest medieval armour, dig out a sword and hop on a plane to the UK with a video camera. I'M CALLING YOU OUT

 

 

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I think I've just nearly been sick out of laughter. I concede defeat.