is horse meat readily available in your country?

No need to be so defensive man, you're not being an arsehole, you're being perfectly nice. You're CERTAINLY not Richard fucking Dawkins.

Edited February 20, 2013 by Iain C

lol thanks, but I was kinda directly attacking a few posts in here, and I felt bad about being a knob when I'd really just like to see people's attitudes change.

 

 

back to our magnificent, schizophrenic, arguably delicious animal friends:

  On 2/20/2013 at 5:39 PM, Iain C said:

You're CERTAINLY not Richard fucking Dawkins.

 

 

...even though Dawkins' snootiness is well justified IMO.

 

 

  On 2/20/2013 at 10:06 AM, westhead said:

I

like the idea of not eating meat, just not the reality of it. In all

seriousness, it's very tasty and satisfying. If there were an

alternative non meat product that was as satisfying and tasty as meat

I'd ditch meat in a heartbeat.

 

That sounds incredibly selfish I know, but i think that's just the bottom line for most people.

 

The most delicious food I've eaten on this planet is vegan food. There's a place across the street that makes an amazing vegan Pad Thai with sautéed tofu and the like. Vegan potato leek soup as well. Bean and rice burritos (with grilled tofu). There's another place down the street that makes alot of vegan stuff, from bakery items to sandwiches to really amazing soup. (I kinda lucked out with all the vegan joints around)

 

I don't know where you live, but if you can find a vegan restaurant or a decent vegan cookbook and you'll quickly see that with a bit of imagination you can gladly ditch meat from your diet.

  On 2/20/2013 at 5:33 PM, Iain C said:

Organic, local etc. food is not a realistic option for a lot of people. Yes you can eat well on a tight budget, but it takes a lot of time and energy that many working people don't have.

This is an aspect that I think gets overlooked. Why has society allowed to be come so efficency centered that people don't even have time to slow down or the energy to cook a proper meal. It's all about picking up something on the go, microwaving a ready-meal and then off to the next appointment. It's ridiculous. And questioning this rat race gets raised eyebrows and scoffs.

 

And to the deforestation thing, I find it ironic that in all the hoopla about eco-friendly cars and ridding ourselves from fossil fuels has lead to vast clearing of rainforests to cater for biofuels.

Edited February 20, 2013 by azatoth

  On 2/20/2013 at 7:33 PM, azatoth said:

 

  On 2/20/2013 at 5:33 PM, Iain C said:

Organic, local etc. food is not a realistic option for a lot of people. Yes you can eat well on a tight budget, but it takes a lot of time and energy that many working people don't have.

This is an aspect that I think gets overlooked. Why has society allowed to be come so efficency centered that people don't even have time to slow down or the energy to cook a proper meal. It's all about picking up something on the go, microwaving a ready-meal and then off to the next appointment. It's ridiculous. And questioning this rat race gets raised eyebrows and scoffs.

An example:

 

I work 7.5 hours each day (I'm in work for a total of 8.5 hours due to lunch hour).

 

If my shift starts at 8am and finishes at 4:30pm, I have to wake up at 5:30am so I can get ready for work and be at the bus stop in time for the 6:35am bus.

 

When I have finished my shift at 4:30pm, I don't get home until after 6pm due to the public transport. This means I have about 4 to 5 hours of 'home life' before I have to go to bed and start the cycle again.

If you care about what you stuff in your gullet, you'll have time.

 

I have personally experienced that eating less meat leads to a more energetic and healthy lifestyle. It's a lot cheaper too.

  On 2/20/2013 at 4:48 PM, Iain C said:

I believe an increasingly large proportion of the rainforest is also being pissed away for soya production, and I say that as a sandal-wearing mostly-vegetarian wanker.

 

Deforestation most certainly WILL NOT be solved by people eating less meat.

 

It could be improved if everyone bought Quilted Velvet toilet paper.

we should all be eating bugs, no joke

  On 2/20/2013 at 7:48 PM, Salvatorin said:

we should all be eating bugs, no joke

 

I was having a conversation with someone about this the other day, entomphagy could have a lot of positive benefits for everyone really (and I'm a bloody vegetarian saying this). The environmental impact would be massively positive as they need so much less water, produce far less carbon emissions and concerns regarding animal welfare would be far apart because insects thrive in crowded, dark enclosed spaces. Not to mention that they're more nutritious and can help redistribute both wealth and food among international countries. Here's a good summary of the positives of insect production if you're still not convinced.

  On 2/20/2013 at 5:48 PM, luke viia said:

lol thanks, but I was kinda directly attacking a few posts in here, and I felt bad about being a knob when I'd really just like to see people's attitudes change.

 

 

back to our magnificent, schizophrenic, arguably delicious animal friends:

  On 2/20/2013 at 7:45 PM, chimera slot mom said:

If you care about what you stuff in your gullet, you'll have time.

 

I have personally experienced that eating less meat leads to a more energetic and healthy lifestyle. It's a lot cheaper too.

give us a breakdown of your day then?

 

It's all well and good saying that, but everyone has their own priorities. you can come across all high and mighty, but at the end of the day not everyone wants to spend all of their time out of work looking for and preparing meals.

I'm not trying to come across all high and mighty. You're right, everyone has their own priorities and it's primarily a matter of personal choice. But you don't have to prepare these fucking exotic meals that the vegans throw at you. Simple is healthy.

 

That said, I really don't get the argument of not having energy to cook. Cooking is supposed to be what sustains everything else.

I'm interested in the Owsley Stanley diet of pure Carnivorous intake. I have heard of a few male friends saying that it worked fantastically for them.

 

Veganism can be fun if you can cook well, but is a very expensive jerk-around if you think it will make you more healthy by just eating shit that people say to eat without studying up. There are some who practice it correctly, but most do not, and use it as some annoying grocery-store elitism and way to vent about animal cruelty.

 

Eat what you want in decent sized portions (knowing how big the human stomach is helps that) do some cardio/muscular work-out twice a week or more and drink tons of water. --- this has never failed me.

 

More relative to the thread: Horse ribs are fucking ace.

  On 2/20/2013 at 7:48 PM, Salvatorin said:

we should all be eating bugs, no joke

i ate a delicious cockroach+crawdad sandwich just now

 

i washed it down with a tall glass of tasty horse beef

is there a word for the flesh of a horse?

No horse but yes to narwhal (tuugaalik) and caribou (tuktu) and muskox (umingmak)! YUM YUM

  On 2/20/2013 at 10:04 PM, chimera slot mom said:

I'm not trying to come across all high and mighty. You're right, everyone has their own priorities and it's primarily a matter of personal choice. But you don't have to prepare these fucking exotic meals that the vegans throw at you. Simple is healthy.

 

That said, I really don't get the argument of not having energy to cook. Cooking is supposed to be what sustains everything else.

 

 

maybe they just don't have the time or patience to cook and microwaved/instant food tastes just as good to them and is an acceptable substitute? i don't have the time to invest 40 minutes to prepare some convoluted recipe with ingredients i don't buy regularly and which usually end up spoiling if i ever do buy them because i never have time to make dishes that take so long when i can just put some instant rice on the stove, throw in some beans and eat like fucking royalty with my fifteen minute meal.

  On 2/20/2013 at 7:45 PM, chimera slot mom said:

If you care about what you stuff in your gullet, you'll have time.

 

 

Exactly the attitude I'm talking about - "stuff in your gullet" practically drips with judgemental spite. Perhaps some people 'care' more about paying their rent/not being made homeless, holding on to their often precarious jobs, and making sure that their kids eat at all.

in america supermarkets/fast food joints sort of seem like assisted suicide stations. in america obesity is killing almost as many people as tobacco. most people probably wouldn't in a million years even come close to making the connection between their general state of health/well being and their diet, the epidemic isn't obesity but ignorance and denial. unless you took a class on health there isn't anyone who is going to steer you in the right direction. chances are if you go to the doctor for shitty health they will pump you full of shit pills instead of help you plan a better diet. the difference between tobacco related disease and diet related disease is the risks of smoking are burned into your subconscious but the dangers of bad eating is generally implied but never really drilled home by the government or the media.

 

the war on drugs should be traded for a war on food, at least in america

  On 2/20/2013 at 10:04 PM, chimera slot mom said:

 

 

That said, I really don't get the argument of not having energy to cook. Cooking is supposed to be what sustains everything else.

 

 

ha. i was going to (jokingly) suggest to osc that if he ate better he'd have more energy for cooking.

 

i love cooking but don't get the time during the week these days so i definitely see the points made. i'm lucky cos mrs.k cooks healthy meals all week and i take over at the weekend.

 

i appreciate the motivation and expense required to cook healthily for one. but it's easy enough to devote 1 or 2 nights a week to cook a couple of big batches which work out more economical and then you've got decent ready meals waiting to heat up when you get home.

Holy fuck! You are a bunch of stressed out people. Except for keltoi. Iain C takes the cake for failing reading comprehension. Ignoring the fact that you're infusing my statement with implications that weren't there in the first place, you're just affirming it by trying to prove the reverse conditions. Of course you are not going to give a fuck when you are on the brink of destitution or have a fucked up schedule. Does that really make shit like microwave meals acceptable? Saying they're adequate for base-line survival doesn't really help their case.

"practically drips with judgemental spite" is iain c's middle name.

  On 2/21/2013 at 12:55 PM, keltoi said:

"practically drips with judgemental spite" is iain c's middle name.

 

It wouldn't fit in the signup box.

that wink just looks like its been jizzed in the eye.