is horse meat readily available in your country?

still smiling though.

who wouldnt have a grin with a penis about to be sick all over their face?

  On 2/21/2013 at 12:48 PM, chimera slot mom said:

Holy fuck! You are a bunch of stressed out people. Except for keltoi. Iain C takes the cake for failing reading comprehension. Ignoring the fact that you're infusing my statement with implications that weren't there in the first place, you're just affirming it by trying to prove the reverse conditions. Of course you are not going to give a fuck when you are on the brink of destitution or have a fucked up schedule. Does that really make shit like microwave meals acceptable? Saying they're adequate for base-line survival doesn't really help their case.

why wouldn't it make them acceptable?

Because it's shit food.

  On 2/21/2013 at 6:27 PM, chimera slot mom said:

Because it's shit food.

so are you suggesting that people work all day, come home, and then cook all night, sleep?

rinse, repeat?

Oscillik, consider for a moment the relative difficulty of living your own life in the UK, and juxtapose it with that of an indigenous farmer who is forced to turn his land into a monoculture of vegetable oil, ultimately destroying the efficacy of the soil he owns, all in an attempt to not be forced out of business entirely and lose his land. Your cheap food is directly related to his forced lifestyle.

This isn't about "I don't have time to cook," it's about the welfare of the planet and other people. I'm poor too. I used to work 10 hour days every week, and on my way home - via public transportation - I would find a way to buy local produce. I was, and am, still part of the problem, because it is a societal problem -- but please don't act like life is just too difficult to personally do the right thing.

That said, I don't mean to force a guilt trip on you. But please remember that your cheap food is only possible through false economies that exploit foreign people and land to make your life easier. Adding that thought into the equation should make it a little less easy to eat pre-packaged food that was cargo shipped to you from halfway around the world. Just food for thought - not a personal attack.

If God didn't want us to eat vaginas then why are they made out of beef? Answer me that fuckheads.

What kind of food takes all night to cook? Like another poster said, you can do batches and freeze it. If your weekday existence is a terrible drudgery, you might as well focus on taking care of your body (and perhaps doing mother nature a favor) rather than how much "me time" you can squeeze into what's left.

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand the argument that cooking takes up too much time, especially from people with 3000+ watmm posts.

It takes my gf and I about 20-30 minutes a night to make completely fresh meals (stuff like enchiladas, pasta primavera type dinners, baked potatoes & soups), though most nights we eat leftovers or frozen foods we'd made when we actually have free time. On the weekends I tend to bake a few loaves of bread, so we have homemade bread in the cupboard & freezer all week... it takes me about 1 hour of actual work to make three loaves of bread, and about 5 hours of waiting for it to rise (the loaves cost maybe ~$1 each, and are much tastier than the store stuff if i do say so myself). You can also just get a crock pot... effortless homemade meals abound.

ps - it's way cheaper to cook regularly than to buy packaged food each week, just gotta get a spice rack going initially (which actually is pricy), but they last forever

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:11 PM, luke viia said:

Oscillik, consider for a moment the relative difficulty of living your own life in the UK, and juxtapose it with that of an indigenous farmer who is forced to turn his land into a monoculture of vegetable oil, ultimately destroying the efficacy of the soil he owns, all in an attempt to not be forced out of business entirely and lose his land. Your cheap food is directly related to his forced lifestyle.

 

This isn't about "I don't have time to cook," it's about the welfare of the planet and other people. I'm poor too. I used to work 10 hour days every week, and on my way home - via public transportation - I would find a way to buy local produce. I was, and am, still part of the problem, because it is a societal problem -- but please don't act like life is just too difficult to personally do the right thing.

 

That said, I don't mean to force a guilt trip on you. But please remember that your cheap food is only possible through false economies that exploit foreign people and land to make your life easier. Adding that thought into the equation should make it a little less easy to eat pre-packaged food that was cargo shipped to you from halfway around the world. Just food for thought - not a personal attack.

no guilt trip can be forced on me, because I understand the notion that is 'subjective life experiences'.

It's cool that you were able to buy local produce on your way home. It's not something that I can do though, on the only route home from work. Unless I want to factor in another hour or two on my journey back home, which I do not.

does eating a frozen pizza make me a selfish person? maybe? the fact of the matter is, that farmer is doing what they can to make a living, and so am I. we all sustain ourselves using means that are efficient enough for each of us. if you find cooking and preparing food for hours after you get home from work efficient for you, that's all well and good. I am not you. and you are not me. everyone is different, with different circumstances.

related question - are you in favour of a health system service akin to the NHS here in the UK? if not, why not?

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:32 PM, luke viia said:

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand the argument that cooking takes up too much time, especially from people with 3000+ watmm posts.

I was unemployed for about 3 years. not that I have to explain my post count to you as justification, or context behind my statement, but there you go.

I was recently employed in May 2012.

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:32 PM, luke viia said:

It takes my gf and I about 20-30 minutes a night to make completely fresh meals (stuff like enchiladas, pasta primavera type dinners, baked potatoes & soups), though most nights we eat leftovers or frozen foods we'd made when we actually have free time. On the weekends I tend to bake a few loaves of bread, so we have homemade bread in the cupboard & freezer all week... it takes me about 1 hour of actual work to make three loaves of bread, and about 5 hours of waiting for it to rise (the loaves cost maybe ~$1 each, and are much tastier than the store stuff if i do say so myself). You can also just get a crock pot... effortless homemade meals abound.

and are you factoring in the amount of time it takes to clean the pots and pans and cooking utensils?

I'm not familiar with the NHS. If you link me to some good summary reading I'd be happy to check it out sometime soon though.

Re: the farmer and you both doing what you can to make a living - agreed, though, there are nuances. My hypothetical every-Indo-farmer is being influenced by foreign companies - companies that are based in places like the US and UK. Our societies are making their lives more difficult. All we can do as citizens is stop supporting those companies, and I've made the case to you that spending time cooking your own food with sources you feel you can trust is 1) fairly easy 2) far cheaper 3) an ethical move you can feel good about, and that 4) enforcing the status quo by supporting this subsidized system will eventually fuck us all. I made point 4 on page 6 itt.

"if you find cooking and preparing food for hours after you get home from work efficient for you, that's all well and good."

Please see the post right above yours. Hours are not necessary, and you're right, that would not be efficient. What's even less efficient is the system of shipping foods around the world just so that Americans and Europeans (and whoever else) do not have to spend an extra 0.5 hours creating their own food a few times a week.

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:37 PM, oscillik said:

 

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:32 PM, luke viia said:

It takes my gf and I about 20-30 minutes a night to make completely fresh meals (stuff like enchiladas, pasta primavera type dinners, baked potatoes & soups), though most nights we eat leftovers or frozen foods we'd made when we actually have free time. On the weekends I tend to bake a few loaves of bread, so we have homemade bread in the cupboard & freezer all week... it takes me about 1 hour of actual work to make three loaves of bread, and about 5 hours of waiting for it to rise (the loaves cost maybe ~$1 each, and are much tastier than the store stuff if i do say so myself). You can also just get a crock pot... effortless homemade meals abound.

 

and are you factoring in the amount of time it takes to clean the pots and pans and cooking utensils?

lol

Sure, I'll add that in. Ten minutes to do the dishes every other day = 35 minutes a week cleaning.

it's super awesome that you can manage to cook and clean in such a short timescale (10 mins is for cleaning plates and dishes, not pots and pans included btw). you must be some like, master chef or something.

I however, am not.

so you can go back to implying that everyone can and should go through this, because it's high and mighty.

this thread is not about horses.

-mo

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:44 PM, oscillik said:

it's super awesome that you can manage to cook and clean in such a short timescale (10 mins is for cleaning plates and dishes, not pots and pans included btw). you must be some like, master chef or something.

 

I however, am not.

 

so you can go back to implying that everyone can and should go through this, because it's high and mighty.

Look man, I'm trying to be nice here, and all I've suggested is that you spend a bit of time thinking about the world implications of your diet. If thinking about reality is "high and mighty," then color me a douchebag. But I think it's the "I won't budge from my lifestyle" attitude that is truly douchey, so we can end this here if you'd like to just avoid ever thinking about the topic again. I do hope you give it some consideration though.

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:46 PM, luke viia said:

 

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:44 PM, oscillik said:

it's super awesome that you can manage to cook and clean in such a short timescale (10 mins is for cleaning plates and dishes, not pots and pans included btw). you must be some like, master chef or something.

 

I however, am not.

 

so you can go back to implying that everyone can and should go through this, because it's high and mighty.

 

Look man, I'm trying to be nice here, and all I've suggested is that you spend a bit of time thinking about the world implications of your diet. If thinking about reality is "high and mighty," then color me a douchebag. But I think it's the "I won't budge from my lifestyle" attitude that is truly douchey, so we can end this here if you'd like to just avoid ever thinking about the topic again. I do hope you give it some consideration though.

I've considered it, along with my work schedule (which means I am travelling to/from work up to a total of 4 hours each day) and it isn't viable for me, as it would cut too much into my free time, like I've already said.

holy lol at the dishes argument.

that's all

The obvious thing to gather from this discussion is that people of that persuasion are more keen on justifying their views by antagonism. Anything you say in return, whether it is well-meaning or mere opining, is a high and mighty, unrealistic attitude... dripping with judgmental spite.

I personally find it really unrealistic that you can't find time to cook decent food. But I've been spending a lot of time with people who anchor their hectic lives in that evening meal and have seen what a difference it makes. It shouldn't take more than an hour, and what kind of activity do you trade in for that? TV? Internet? How much do you actually "unwind" with all this fucking technology?

i usually keep my mouth shut because im actually just a guilty and lazy person. i try to keep to a schedule and a diet, and usually last one or two weeks, but then an enormous party oppurtunity presents itself, fucks up my healthy routine before its even got itself on its feet, and then im stuck back at square one, hungover and eating chicken choice burgers off just-eat because i cant be hooped walking 20 minutes to a shop to buy real vegetables.

living in ibrox doesnt help, you literally cannot buy vegetables here, the rent is dirt cheap and the flat is amazing, but within a 15 minute walking radius all you have is tins, packets, and boxes of frozen food.

eating healthily takes a steady and considered regime for me, walking 20 minutes each way to stock the fridge and actually consider recipes etc and i havent hit the maturity yet to be able to stick to it. i just like fun.

  On 2/21/2013 at 9:05 PM, chimera slot mom said:

The obvious thing to gather from this discussion is that people of that persuasion are more keen on justifying their views by antagonism. Anything you say in return, whether it is well-meaning or mere opining, is a high and mighty, unrealistic attitude... dripping with judgmental spite.

 

I personally find it really unrealistic that you can't find time to cook decent food. But I've been spending a lot of time with people who anchor their hectic lives in that evening meal and have seen what a difference it makes. It shouldn't take more than an hour, and what kind of activity do you trade in for that? TV? Internet? How much do you actually "unwind" with all this fucking technology?

I personally find it really unrealistic that you can't accept that everyone has their own idea of what is considered 'home life' and that your own ideal is not necessarily the status quo, and indeed clearly isn't the status quo.

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:11 PM, luke viia said:

Oscillik, consider for a moment the relative difficulty of living your own life in the UK, and juxtapose it with that of an indigenous farmer who is forced to turn his land into a monoculture of vegetable oil, ultimately destroying the efficacy of the soil he owns, all in an attempt to not be forced out of business entirely and lose his land. Your cheap food is directly related to his forced lifestyle.

 

This isn't about "I don't have time to cook," it's about the welfare of the planet and other people. I'm poor too. I used to work 10 hour days every week, and on my way home - via public transportation - I would find a way to buy local produce. I was, and am, still part of the problem, because it is a societal problem -- but please don't act like life is just too difficult to personally do the right thing.

 

That said, I don't mean to force a guilt trip on you. But please remember that your cheap food is only possible through false economies that exploit foreign people and land to make your life easier. Adding that thought into the equation should make it a little less easy to eat pre-packaged food that was cargo shipped to you from halfway around the world. Just food for thought - not a personal attack.

so what happens to this strangely colored farmer from an unpronounceable place if his exploiters go bankrupt ?

So the status quo is a good thing?

i dunno..

  On 2/21/2013 at 9:15 PM, chimera slot mom said:

So the status quo is a good thing?

please quote where I said or implied that it was a "good thing".

take your time.

  On 2/21/2013 at 9:15 PM, eugene said:

 

  On 2/21/2013 at 8:11 PM, luke viia said:

Oscillik, consider for a moment the relative difficulty of living your own life in the UK, and juxtapose it with that of an indigenous farmer who is forced to turn his land into a monoculture of vegetable oil, ultimately destroying the efficacy of the soil he owns, all in an attempt to not be forced out of business entirely and lose his land. Your cheap food is directly related to his forced lifestyle.

 

This isn't about "I don't have time to cook," it's about the welfare of the planet and other people. I'm poor too. I used to work 10 hour days every week, and on my way home - via public transportation - I would find a way to buy local produce. I was, and am, still part of the problem, because it is a societal problem -- but please don't act like life is just too difficult to personally do the right thing.

 

That said, I don't mean to force a guilt trip on you. But please remember that your cheap food is only possible through false economies that exploit foreign people and land to make your life easier. Adding that thought into the equation should make it a little less easy to eat pre-packaged food that was cargo shipped to you from halfway around the world. Just food for thought - not a personal attack.

so what happens to this strangely colored farmer from an unpronounceable place if his exploiters go bankrupt ?

I suppose that depends on whether or not he's altered his land to be suitable for exporting, say, safflower oil, and whether or not the soil has degraded from irrigation, etc. A lot of things could happen (if you'd like to carry this further, perhaps we could choose an actual country and policy to discuss...?).