Mayhem ensues after no indictment over Michael Brown killing

Those peace train pics are incredible, lel

As a white male, I've been harassed by police officers quite often and with my job, I've had some good experiences too where the officers were very calm, non-patronizing and collected. Hell, leading the Seattle chief of police through my works 15k sq ft grow operation, him and his supporting officers were like kids in a candy shop - all smiles, polite interactions and handshakes...

But this shit is out of hand. Police have batons, tasers, pepper spray and back-up of tons of officers at any time. Shooting someone who is unarmed when you have all that should be a crime for a police officer.

I don't condone the burning of buildings or looting, but to be frank, if you'd been shit on by circumstance your entire life, struggled with a system that keeps you and your community in poverty, undereducated (whether by choice or circumstance) harassed by police officers (some warranted) and just basically had been given the middle finger saying that there isn't even enough evidence to proceed to trial after a young man was gunned down by a police officer in broad daylight. You'd probably be pretty Fuckin mad...

Police officers need cameras on them at all times. Then there is no dispute over this shit. But until then, we need to pull the reigns on our own policing forces if we ever want them to be anything other than a uniformed extortion force with guns protecting the status quo...

  On 11/28/2014 at 10:42 PM, Audioblysk said:

 

Police officers need cameras on them at all times.

they are doing this in my city right now actually. All cops will have body cams by the end of this year.

  On 11/28/2014 at 10:42 PM, Audioblysk said:

As a white male, I've been harassed by police officers quite often and with my job, I've had some good experiences too where the officers were very calm, non-patronizing and collected. Hell, leading the Seattle chief of police through my works 15k sq ft grow operation, him and his supporting officers were like kids in a candy shop - all smiles, polite interactions and handshakes...

 

But this shit is out of hand. Police have batons, tasers, pepper spray and back-up of tons of officers at any time. Shooting someone who is unarmed when you have all that should be a crime for a police officer.

 

I don't condone the burning of buildings or looting, but to be frank, if you'd been shit on by circumstance your entire life, struggled with a system that keeps you and your community in poverty, undereducated (whether by choice or circumstance) harassed by police officers (some warranted) and just basically had been given the middle finger saying that there isn't even enough evidence to proceed to trial after a young man was gunned down by a police officer in broad daylight. You'd probably be pretty Fuckin mad...

 

Police officers need cameras on them at all times. Then there is no dispute over this shit. But until then, we need to pull the reigns on our own policing forces if we ever want them to be anything other than a uniformed extortion force with guns protecting the status quo...

Well Said, Aye Aye Hear Hear.

i do have to admit I'm a bit confused how Michael Brown became such a flashpoint as opposed to something like that dude being murdered in broad daylight on video by cops in NY giving him a choke hold. I'm not trying to downplay the resonance this is having on people but honestly it does feel like the media latched so heavily onto this event because in part its just not as blatantly obvious evil as over 20 other police killings have been this year. They (the media) did the same thing with the Trayvon martin incident, where lack of video documentation or eyewitness testimony allowed a polarizing debate to take place all throughout the country. It's the slam dunk blatant cops murdering civilians cases the media seems less interested in touching.

  On 11/28/2014 at 10:42 PM, Audioblysk said:

Police officers need cameras on them at all times

Google Cops

  On 11/28/2014 at 10:56 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

i do have to admit I'm a bit confused how Michael Brown became such a flashpoint as opposed to something like that dude being murdered in broad daylight on video by cops in NY giving him a choke hold. I'm not trying to downplay the resonance this is having on people but honestly it does feel like the media latched so heavily onto this event because in part its just not as blatantly obvious evil as over 20 other police killings have been this year. They (the media) did the same thing with the Trayvon martin incident, where lack of video documentation or eyewitness testimony allowed a polarizing debate to take place all throughout the country. It's the slam dunk blatant cops murdering civilians cases the media seems less interested in touching.

key sentiments are ambiguousness and polarization. Everyone can agree that the blatant killings are bad, but we can spend months arguing about the ambiguous ones to the point that there is division based on ideology. It's clever. The evidence it's clear is more reporting of the facts instead of all these other narratives you can insert.

  On 11/29/2014 at 3:48 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

 

as for the cams on cops i still don't know what to think. it's a little big brothery but in the case of police brutality it's kind of like reverse big brother (us watching cops)

 

You could call it sousveillance - the people spying on the elite, as opposed to the more conventional opposite

the pewpewpewcop has resignd

hey guys did you hear michael brown threw an innocent indian man into a shelf of chips after jacking $50 dollars worth of smokes and its on camera? so fucking racist of him to do that and he needs to be charged and put in jail for a little while

oh shit as he's walking out of the store like the proud, thieving lion he is, he gets "buck" with the cop because he just nonchalantly robbed a convenience store and has earned the privilege to oppose authority!

MUCH RESPECT!!!

aw the cop ended up shooting him :/

what a fucked up world we live in

  On 11/30/2014 at 1:04 AM, PhylumZunami said:

hey guys did you hear michael brown threw an innocent indian man into a shelf of chips after jacking $50 dollars worth of smokes and its on camera? so fucking racist of him to do that and he needs to be charged and put in jail for a little while

 

oh shit as he's walking out of the store like the proud, thieving lion he is, he gets "buck" with the cop because he just nonchalantly robbed a convenience store and has earned the privilege to oppose authority!

 

MUCH RESPECT!!!

 

aw the cop ended up shooting him :/

 

what a fucked up world we live in

The police officer had no previous knowledge of the robbery and it's fairly uncertain what indeed happened between the cop and him and with so many conflicting stories. The fact that the photographer from the police department had 'no batteries' to take crime scene photos, the officer was escorted to the hospital with his superiors before being interviewed on the scene (which unless his injuries are really bad, is a big no-no) and there were no prints on the gun which negates 'he grabbed mah gun'... it just doesn't add up IMO.

To be honest, if he wasn't shot dead by a police officer, I'd have been 100% for him being arrested for the robbery... but to compare two unrelated incidents (as the cop admitted he had no prior knowledge of the crime) and to say that after a burglary and an altercation with an officer that has not been documented with film and taken on the word of a cop who shot a man over 10 times and had minor bruising at best from what I saw... to say that warrants being killed - yeah, that's fucked up and I don't like the idea of that one bit. There was more than enough evidence and witnesses to take him to trial and it's fucked it stopped there. Can I shoot a cop when he grabs my arm for no reason in a traffic stop, or pulls out his gun because I moved too fast? No. I cannot, and such force would be considered barbarism.

Do you really think that kid would've killed the officer had he not gone all "GET SOME" with his gun on him?! Because that is the only reason I see for a police officer to open fire - if their life is in danger, which a bruise on the cheek is not. Murder is murder and even in self defense civilians are tried in court unless overbearing evidence exists

But, knowing your opinions on women and mens rights from that shitshow of a thread, I don't expect you to rise above the typical midwestern white male mindset.

  On 11/30/2014 at 2:31 AM, Audioblysk said:

 

  On 11/30/2014 at 1:04 AM, PhylumZunami said:

hey guys did you hear michael brown threw an innocent indian man into a shelf of chips after jacking $50 dollars worth of smokes and its on camera? so fucking racist of him to do that and he needs to be charged and put in jail for a little while

 

oh shit as he's walking out of the store like the proud, thieving lion he is, he gets "buck" with the cop because he just nonchalantly robbed a convenience store and has earned the privilege to oppose authority!

 

MUCH RESPECT!!!

 

aw the cop ended up shooting him :/

 

what a fucked up world we live in

 

 

But, knowing your opinions on women and mens rights from that shitshow of a thread, I don't expect you to rise above the typical Bostonian white male mindset.

 

i don't think you get what I'm saying audio

im upset about the media portraying the "kid" as a helpless little boy and using the whole case to further a racist agenda. white cop on black civilian. there have been cases of black cops shooting innocent white people that had similar support efforts that made it absolutely nowhere. had the cop shown up on the scene due to a call of stolen cigarillos and shot the kid from his car with no engagement, i would totally understand. BUT:

according to the grand jury documents, he hit the cop 10 times while he was in his police car, twice in the face and the "kid" reached for the cops gun to, idk, maybe shoot him with it? have you heard the witness accounts from the scene which confirm this? he had an opportunity to stand down and he didn't stand down.

i don't think its ok for a cop to blow someone away for stealing cigarillos but the cop didn't just blow him away for stealing cigarillos.

the headlines should read, "black teenager killed after robbing store, confronting cop and refusing to stand down when asked to."

and yes, the cop did admit to not knowing of the robbery.

and could you refresh my memory on my stance on women and mens rights?

AND ANOTHER EDIT:

crooked cops are a thing, i acknowledge this, some are racist as fuck and they gather in large numbers in this country.

  On 11/30/2014 at 2:49 AM, PhylumZunami said:

i don't think you get what I'm saying audio

 

im upset about the media portraying the "kid" as a helpless little boy and using the whole case to further a racist agenda. white cop on black civilian. there have been cases of black cops shooting innocent white people that had similar support efforts that made it absolutely nowhere. had the cop shown up on the scene due to a call of stolen cigarillos and shot the kid from his car with no engagement, i would totally understand. BUT:

 

according to the grand jury documents, he hit the cop 10 times while he was in his police car, twice in the face and the "kid" reached for the cops gun to, idk, maybe shoot him with it? have you heard the witness accounts from the scene which confirm this? he had an opportunity to stand down and he didn't stand down.

 

i don't think its ok for a cop to blow someone away for stealing cigarillos but the cop didn't just blow him away for stealing cigarillos.

 

the headlines should read, "black teenager killed after robbing store, confronting cop and refusing to stand down when asked to."

 

and yes, the cop did admit to not knowing of the robbery.

 

and could you refresh my memory on my stance on women and mens rights?

 

AND ANOTHER EDIT:

 

crooked cops are a thing, i acknowledge this, some are racist as fuck and they gather in large numbers in this country.

lol, ah shit... My bad, you have a very similar username to a tool in another thread (zeffolia) who went off about mens rights in a bizzare, child-like tirade. I apologize, and I'm sure your views on mens and womens rights are fine and that was a low blow even if you had those views. Mah bad.

We don't know if he was told to stand down, actually, most of the altercation is fairly blurry and we're relying on a guys testimony of an event that will keep him out of jail with minimal evidence... but... Looking at the police officers injuries, they looked very faint and non-lethal and laughable when he says he would have been killed or knocked out if he took another blow. I understand what you're saying, but what should separate a police officer is the ability to think of the gun last and not shoot someone 12 times... There really aren't too many ways to support either side as not a ton has been released from witnesses, but I have a hard time believing that without provocation an 18 year old would start beating a cop, I've stolen as a youth, but wouldn't have started striking a man with a gun, let alone a cop... it just doesn't all add up...

I don't think he should have gotten jail time without sufficient trial and due process, but it deserved to go to court like most any case where someone is shot. If only to also probe into the holes in stories, lack of photographs, leaving the scene of the crime before interview and no evidence of a gun being 'reached for' -

OH THANK GOD. i was like please don't tell me i got blackout drunk one night and started posting sexist stuff haha. that user can fuck right off mate. Glad thats cleared up!

I was a bit extreme with my posts i admit and the first one was a tad over the line with the sarcasm, but to be honest, i think the guy should have earned jail time for robbing and pushing the store clerk out of the way as he exited the place had he not been killed. so with all that happening its hard for me to sympathize with the guy in this particular situation. there have been other cases of clear racism towards a black civilian by a white cop and i think this case wasn't the right one to draw up such a frenzy.

ill agree that it seems insane for M. Brown to jump for the guys gun, but I've personally known guys who would have done something similar so its not that far-fetched for me.

i also can't stand darren wilsons face.

Kinda silly idea perhaps, but regardless of what actually took place there is a cop who is absolutely certain he did the right thing by killing someone. From my point of view I'd rather have a cop who still doubts himself even if he didn't seem to have another choice. Could he have done anything differently just to save a life?

Cops are there to save lives. Not end them. Ending lives should be diametrically opposed to being a cop. It shouldn't be in their genes. But that doesn't seem to be in his mindset.

"killing" is too nice of a word. need to start using the word "slaying" to talk about these murder by cop events. linguistic activism.

  On 11/30/2014 at 3:37 AM, Audioblysk said:

lol, ah shit... My bad, you have a very similar username to a tool in another thread (zeffolia) who went off about mens rights in a bizzare, child-like tirade. I apologize, and I'm sure your views on mens and womens rights are fine and that was a low blow even if you had those views. Mah bad.

 

Hurrdurr feminism, anyone who doesn't believe in "3 out of every 2 women are victims of rape" and "27 cents on the dollar" and wants it to end hates women and is childish

I haven't even posted in this thread but you felt the need to insult me and have the gall to call me childish

Lol anyway, people trying to make this into some issue of discrimination against black people need to fucking get real. The little shitface robbed a store then assaulted a cop. Look at all the innocent white people killed by black people ignored by the media (to avoid being labelled racist for reporting on it) and quit being retarded

Where was the discrimination and racism forcing this kid's hand when he was robbing a store and assaulting the cop? Stop using it as some excuse for bad behavior.

If a white guy got killed this would have been mentioned once in a few small local newspapers then forgotten but of course the armchair minority rights advocates need to step in and show how racially sensitive they are

There is NO excuse for the riots and looting going on. They tried to block a highway with their protests in Philadelphia apparently. What if some old lady had a heart attack and needed an ambulance? These people are retarded thinking any of this is warranted

Tell these black people to stop committing disproportionately large amounts of crime and this shit with trigger happy cops will end. I'd be terrified of some 8 foot tall 400 pound black guy punching me in my patrol car too and if you say otherwise you're a fool.

"He should have been trained to use a stun gun!" lol okay

truth bullets from Zeffolia (though he was only 6 ft. 300 lbs heh)

Fucking lol, once again, but, to the correct person and with an extra dash of gall - I'm not surprised you have the view of a total cock and turned this into something about race again while ignoring the fact that I didn't say anything about race nor that he was innocent as a person, merely that he didn't deserve to die or have the man who killed him not face scrutiny for his actions as a civil servant whose job is to 'serve and protect'.

Read all of the witness reports, not a single person says that Brown struck the officer or can confirm that. Multiple if not all of them can confirm Wilson chasing him down and firing while his back was turned, then when he turned around he was blasted multiple times from fair distance. That coupled with Wilson bagging his own firearm into evidence, showering off blood evidence, not fingerprinting the gun, not measuring the distance of the shootings or interviewing him on site before going to the hospital and the police station with his superiors points to the fact that this should have gone to trial, but did not because McCulloch was looking out for the status quo and keeping the St. Louis police department from looking like total buffoons if they had gone to trial with this as they either tampered evidence, and/or purposefully fabricated a story that nobody but a dead man could refute without a shadow of a doubt and used the 'frenzy of a person being shot' to sweep a bad decision and homicide under the rug. I never once made this about race, you did, I even said he should have gone to jail for the robbery, like any PERSON who commits that crime should have.

You must make some woman (or rough trick named 'Jim') very happy with your insights and world view. Do you have a blog somewhere?

lol at people not understanding systemic racism.

and just lol at zeff. top marks all round.

  On 11/30/2014 at 6:56 AM, Zeffolia said:

There is NO excuse for the riots and looting going on. They tried to block a highway with their protests in Philadelphia apparently. What if some old lady had a heart attack and needed an ambulance? These people are retarded thinking any of this is warranted

 

Tell these black people to stop committing disproportionately large amounts of crime and this shit with trigger happy cops will end. I'd be terrified of some 8 foot tall 400 pound black guy punching me in my patrol car too and if you say otherwise you're a fool.

 

"He should have been trained to use a stun gun!" lol okay

mayhem ensues @ watmm

:O

I didn't know that people didnt understand that large populations of black people are kept in poverty, redlined into low income areas where drugs are introduced so that they have no option but to turn to crime and become a commodity for the prison industrial complex but heh it's only us Americans who are ignorant from what I'm told.