Germany NYE attacks

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:54 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:41 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:03 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:10 AM, Jev said:

 

 

You know, there is not much needed from the science to completely end this debate:

 

- a theory of absence of free will

- altruism as a mere evolutionary tactics for human species to survive

- an absence of morality (because everything is just practical even if you think you do stuff because of moral reasons)

- genetics shaping human behaviour since birth (blind neuroplasticity which is hard to manage the older one is) -> non-sense traditions, customs, dogmatism

- a genetically based religiosity/superstitiousness

- a completely natural xenophobic behaviour needed to survive

- genetically determined intelligence and (in)sanity etc.

- a hard-to-manage (and occasionally deniable) instinct to survive (as yourself or through offspring) as the most basic and selfish motivation of all humans

- etc.

 

 

I suggest few good dose of breakthrough of dmt to show you how little science know about <<reality>>.

Theory of absence of free will: please show me that theory. that should be funny at least.

 

 

 

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110831/full/477023a.html

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-free-will-an-illusion/

 

There is a lots of articles and talking about this so feel free to google.

 

Also, if you are religious I am afraid there is no point at having discussion on this topic.

 

and you believe all that without any crititcs? Consciousness is only byproduct of the brain?

 

as "far out" as you wanna get

it still appears that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain,

completely dependent on the brain

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:53 AM, chenGOD said:

 

I've been to Islamic countries - have you?

 

Lol so now you want to use statistics?

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:48 AM, LimpyLoo said:

p.s. here's the whole enchilada

 

I've read the report. I've never tried to dismiss it or make it irrelevant, it's very interesting for a number of reasons. Mostly for how it shows that there is a wide range of beliefs among Muslims. It's also very interesting to see the concern regarding extremism.

 

And yes I agree that 0% for both those issues would be great numbers. I would be very intrigued to get a sense of how many actual stonings are carried out - I would think given the sensationalism that arises around these events when they do happen indicates that they are rare. A brief glimpse at wikipedia (I know I know, but it's a start) shows that there is often a large public outcry (domestic and international) when these cases arise, and sometimes that is enough to overturn any sentence of stoning. So it seems that human rights pressure does work.

 

I'd also like to see the death penalty eliminated from the American penal system (50-60% of Americans are in favour of the death penalty depending on the poll used). I'm sure you would too. But I never see you posting articles about that. Well, it's ok, your actions are all predetermined anyways.

 

Sorry, but I always tried to use sources and stats in this thread, no?

Here some stats from Iran:

http://stopstonningnow.com/wpress/SList%20_1980-2010__FHdoc.pdf

In what Islamic country have you been to? In what parts of those countries? How long? How you were dressed? Purpose of your visits. Details matters.

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:53 AM, chenGOD said:

I've read the report. I've never tried to dismiss it or make it irrelevant, it's very interesting for a number of reasons. Mostly for how it shows that there is a wide range of beliefs among Muslims. It's also very interesting to see the concern regarding extremism

The PEW shows that if some extremists/islamic politicians needed a mass of people for their agenda they have plenty of ideologically prepared people to work with. It also tells us something about the mentality of those people and what we can expect from them in critical situations.

It is a sophisticated psychological problem that is shaped by variety of factors but it has dangerous potential.

I also forgot to reply to your "parallel societies" argument:

There is many info on even third, fourth generations of Turks in Germany and Denmark still living in parallel societies. I have no info from other countries but I expect it to be similar because of voluntary isolation of immigrant families from the native societies which is something that strongly comes from their strong cultural roots (their culture is so different they have troubles to assimilate and rather chooses parallel societies and isolation).

(ZDF is a state's television in PC Germany so I consider it to be a relevant source).

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:00 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:54 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:41 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:03 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:10 AM, Jev said:

 

 

You know, there is not much needed from the science to completely end this debate:

 

- a theory of absence of free will

- altruism as a mere evolutionary tactics for human species to survive

- an absence of morality (because everything is just practical even if you think you do stuff because of moral reasons)

- genetics shaping human behaviour since birth (blind neuroplasticity which is hard to manage the older one is) -> non-sense traditions, customs, dogmatism

- a genetically based religiosity/superstitiousness

- a completely natural xenophobic behaviour needed to survive

- genetically determined intelligence and (in)sanity etc.

- a hard-to-manage (and occasionally deniable) instinct to survive (as yourself or through offspring) as the most basic and selfish motivation of all humans

- etc.

 

 

I suggest few good dose of breakthrough of dmt to show you how little science know about <<reality>>.

Theory of absence of free will: please show me that theory. that should be funny at least.

 

 

 

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110831/full/477023a.html

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-free-will-an-illusion/

 

There is a lots of articles and talking about this so feel free to google.

 

Also, if you are religious I am afraid there is no point at having discussion on this topic.

 

and you believe all that without any crititcs? Consciousness is only byproduct of the brain?

 

 

as "far out" as you wanna get

it still appears that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain,

completely dependent on the brain

 

I think that its what many people would like to believe.

but Im convinced that the mind is immaterial and independant of the body. certain state of mind that Ive experienced convinced me that consciousness merely change after death and that the mind is not a process of the brain. I guess we will have to wait but what happens after death imo is not the end of consciousness.

I also think there many layer of consciousness available to us but as long as we live imbued in our sense contact, the doors from those states are closed. like the ocean, as long as there waves (sensual desires, ill will and hate, restleness, worries) its impossible to know the depth of the ocean (states of consciousness) and the beauty underneath.

but thats another thread lol.

watched this t'other night....recommended to see how impartial it might be construed as:

https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=-pHOU8n5Bc_H8ge1xoJA#safe=off&q=jihadist+next+door

its like taking an imaginary tour with Dylann Roof and then seeding the public consciousness with this warped overview of disaffected, lost souls representing an interpretation of some lost identity/zero compromise construct.....

its a hard watch at times because yer left thinking these are exactly the same kids you've gone to school with, played with, grown up with, but who've been shaped by events that have corrupted hopes & ideals into all manner of twisted outcomes

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:00 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:54 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

and you believe all that without any crititcs? Consciousness is only byproduct of the brain?

 

I consider the question to be not clearly answered yet. There are some problems on quantum level that has to be explained and brain-testing methods improved. But it, unfortunately, gives a perfect sense indeed. There is many arguments that it really works like that but we will have to wait and see it confirmed in the future.

 

Personally, I would love it to be false because I can't really live with that.

 

consciousness is indeed a process. but the mind, that can redirect consciousness any way it wish, isn't.

Body and mind are separate. science will never be able to study immaterial phenomena like thoughts and feelings. yes they can observe feelings in the brain, but they cannot understand how that translates for that person.

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:26 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:02 AM, chenGOD said:

Where are you getting your 90% illiteracy rate from? Syria and Iraq had good education systems - literacy rates were very high in those countries. Afghanistan yes not so much, hardly surprising since they've been essentially fighting various foreign powers since the 1970s.

 

First of all, I said before that I am not sure if it is truly like that. I double-checked and it seems it is a bit more complicated (luckily):

 

- 20% of refugees/immigrants in Germany are illiterate (cannot read/write) http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-germany-idUKKCN0R21DG20150902

- 65% of refugees "65 percent of Syrian refugees fail to meet international standards on basic reading and writing skills" http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/08/65-percent-of-syrian-refugees-cant-read-and-write-join-workforce/

- 80% are unqualified (which some sources translated as illiterate because you can have many forms of illiteracy - computer illiteracy etc.) https://www.rt.com/news/320044-asylum-seekers-germany-education/

 

Feel free to refute those sources or the info in general. I would love refugees to be easier to work with than tha

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:02 AM, chenGOD said:

 

Strong conservative family values are practiced worldwide, not restricted to immigrants nor Muslims.

 

True. But it doesn't make the problem any less serious. A Muslim family has different traditions than a catholic or an atheist family.

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:02 AM, chenGOD said:

 

Strong conservative family values are practiced worldwide, not restricted to immigrants nor Muslims. Parallel societies tend to exist in the first generation and integration takes place over a couple of generations. Even if the family reunions completely take place, pushing up the numbers eventually to 14 million, that's 2.7% of Europe's population. What kind of invasion is that? And that's assuming there are no outflows. Are you so insecure in the superiority of "Western" cultural institutions that you think a 3% increase will collapse them completely?

You sound like the Australian PM in the early part of last century, decrying Asian immigration - when the Asian population of Australia at the time was less than 1%. Of course now Australia is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party. If only they would have listened!!

 

You have to count those percents for individual states in EU and count with the fertility rates which you have omitted. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/

 

I believe you don't have to have a majority of population in order to greatly influence the society.

 

Your argument is basically somehow valid only if you care about your own generation and don't care about the future.

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:02 AM, chenGOD said:

 

I can't take your arguments seriously, because you used Canada in your argument against multiculturalism. You do know multiculturalism is enshrined in our constitution right?

Since I live in a multicultural society, and a very multicultural city - I can perhaps tell you about people's behaviour in the context of multiculturalism. We enjoy good food from all around the world, a diverse range of arts and culture, an increased appreciation of the world around us.

 

In practice Canada has quite strict and discriminating immigration policies. You have to get enough points in order to qualify for permanent living in Canada. Similarly to Switzerland you carefully select those who can stay and you give them strict conditions which they have to accept. My relatives (highly skilled and well educated Europeans) had to wait for at least 2 years (dunno exactly if it took longer) before they were accepted to Canada. Your policy seems open because you accept quite big numbers (if we disregard the recent laughable 15 000 Syrian refugees) but in reality it is quite tough to be accepted to Canada. You have to have the right age, the right education, the right profession, etc. Also if you check the stats you can see that Muslims (and Middle East) are in very low numbers. Most of the immigrants are from China and from India.

 

If Germany adopted such selective immigration model it would be criticized for inhumane behaviour.

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:02 AM, chenGOD said:

 

Isolationist, nationalist tendencies played a large role in leading to World Wars 1 and 2. Increased interactions and engagement on all levels (political, business, cultural, personal) lead to further understanding among different peoples, and with understanding comes less fear. What's truly stunning is people's desires to go back to the "good old days" of isolation and exclusion. I get it, you're scared, the world is changing slightly, you might have to confront some ideas that are different from your own. But don't let that make you throw rationality out the window. Muslims are not going to rape you and burn your house down.

 

World Wars were caused by politicians and manipulated masses of cannon fodder. World War 2 war especially was economical (Jews and others were just a sick extension of that). Multiculturalism cannot prevent people from trying to get power and resources.

 

Also, nobody talks about isolation here (at least I am not).

 

The true test of multiculturalism would be an unstable, poor country with multiple very different cultures. We all knows how this works when people have to pick their sides because of whatever...

 

The daily caller and RT? Good lord. That daily caller article references one guy, and then uses some standardized test data that of course will be influenced by the fact that Syria's infrastructure has been run into the ground through the Assad family's rape of the country, thus decimating educational outcomes.

World bank data shows Syrian adult literacy (including basic numeracy) at 85.5%, which is similar to the rates the most comprehensive study done in America shows.

Yes by 2030 Muslims might make up 8% of Europe's population. Which means 92% of Europe's population will not be Muslim. Historically, as groups improve their economic standing, fertility rates decrease.

A minority group can certainly have influence on a society, but to think that it will fundamentally change, when the reason many of these people are migrating there is precisely because of the existing rule of law, is not logically sound reasoning.

Canadian immigration is a bitch, and it has been wildly inconsistent in its application. Yes, the majority of immigrants to Canada are from the Asia-Pacific. The second largest group from 2002 has been Africa and the Middle East. They've increased from 18% of admissions in 2002 to 24% in 2014. I know all about the stats for Canadian Immigration. This is permanent resident admission, not counting refugees, and yes, I agree, Canada should take more refugees, it's quite shameful.

The fact that b

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:23 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:00 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:54 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:41 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:03 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 12:10 AM, Jev said:

 

 

You know, there is not much needed from the science to completely end this debate:

 

- a theory of absence of free will

- altruism as a mere evolutionary tactics for human species to survive

- an absence of morality (because everything is just practical even if you think you do stuff because of moral reasons)

- genetics shaping human behaviour since birth (blind neuroplasticity which is hard to manage the older one is) -> non-sense traditions, customs, dogmatism

- a genetically based religiosity/superstitiousness

- a completely natural xenophobic behaviour needed to survive

- genetically determined intelligence and (in)sanity etc.

- a hard-to-manage (and occasionally deniable) instinct to survive (as yourself or through offspring) as the most basic and selfish motivation of all humans

- etc.

 

 

I suggest few good dose of breakthrough of dmt to show you how little science know about <<reality>>.

Theory of absence of free will: please show me that theory. that should be funny at least.

 

 

 

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110831/full/477023a.html

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-free-will-an-illusion/

 

There is a lots of articles and talking about this so feel free to google.

 

Also, if you are religious I am afraid there is no point at having discussion on this topic.

 

and you believe all that without any crititcs? Consciousness is only byproduct of the brain?

 

 

as "far out" as you wanna get

it still appears that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain,

completely dependent on the brain

 

I think that its what many people would like to believe.

 

but Im convinced that the mind is immaterial and independant of the body. certain state of mind that Ive experienced convinced me that consciousness merely change after death and that the mind is not a process of the brain. I guess we will have to wait but what happens after death imo is not the end of consciousness.

 

I also think there many layer of consciousness available to us but as long as we live imbued in our sense contact, the doors from those states are closed. like the ocean, as long as there waves (sensual desires, ill will and hate, restleness, worries) its impossible to know the depth of the ocean (states of consciousness) and the beauty underneath.

but thats another thread lol.

 

First-hand experience is (frankly) terrible evidence

(for instance, if you trusted your own experience, you would never even realize that you have a brain)

furthermore, there is no experience you could have (not even a "NDE") that would tell you what consciousness does after death

luckily, science is more rigorous than that (at least in theory)

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

 

The daily caller and RT? Good lord.

RT stated an official source:

"The Federal Employment Agency has stated that 81 percent of asylum seekers are "without formal qualifications," the Junge Freiheit daily reported".

I cannot comment on Daily Caller but they quoted a PDF with a study about EQ in math around the world. Not sure how relevant is that.

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

 

Yes by 2030 Muslims might make up 8% of Europe's population. Which means 92% of Europe's population will not be Muslim.

I said you have to count the percent for individual states not EU as a whole. It does not really matter to France if Slovakia has less than 0.5 % of Muslim population, you see?

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

Historically, as groups improve their economic standing, fertility rates decrease.

True but their economic standing will not change for quite a long time.

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

A minority group can certainly have influence on a society, but to think that it will fundamentally change, when the reason many of these people are migrating there is precisely because of the existing rule of law, is not logically sound reasoning.

Syrian refugees simply flee from the war. I don't believe there is more to that. They are certainly not going to give up on Islam when in Europe. The others are "economic migrants" and therefore have even less reasons to change their mentality imo.

The people trying to shit on Chen are amusing knowing who Chen be in the real world. You need Chen, you just don't know it yet.

Can someone close this shit? It's delved into DMT and solipsism -- AKA going nowhere fast. I think we already have an ISIS thread.

Either that or everyone needs to get on board with the fucking barbecue, goddammit. The muslims are hungry and wont roast limpers for being... limpers - and nobody will kill Usagi for being not religious and also being pleasantly milk-chocolate on the eyes. There are some fucked up and undereducated people who do horrible things, sometimes, everywhere, but everyone loves barbecue. I bet if you took the $ out of America, ISIS and the lot would look like civilized pansies compared to what the hard-right of the USA would do if degraded to chaos and third-world status with some huge ass country raping oil and killing people with Amazon drones. But whatever. Fuck that, huh? Just not doing the barbecue.... I've been on this salad thing for a while and wanted to candy some pecans, but no.

the gumbo is cold now. There's no more BBQ spirit left in WATMM...

I'm down for some bbq....

Tha gumbo

  On 1/21/2016 at 4:27 AM, Audioblysk said:

The people trying to shit on Chen are amusing knowing who Chen be in the real world. You need Chen, you just don't know it yet.

 

Can someone close this shit? It's delved into DMT and solipsism -- AKA going nowhere fast. I think we already have an ISIS thread.

 

Either that or everyone needs to get on board with the fucking barbecue, goddammit. The muslims are hungry and wont roast limpers for being... limpers - and nobody will kill Usagi for being not religious and also being pleasantly milk-chocolate on the eyes. There are some fucked up and undereducated people who do horrible things, sometimes, everywhere, but everyone loves barbecue. I bet if you took the $ out of America, ISIS and the lot would look like civilized pansies compared to what the hard-right of the USA would do if degraded to chaos and third-world status with some huge ass country raping oil and killing people with Amazon drones. But whatever. Fuck that, huh? Just not doing the barbecue.... I've been on this salad thing for a while and wanted to candy some pecans, but no.

 

the gumbo is cold now. There's no more BBQ spirit left in WATMM...

who's Chen in real life?

Wait, is Chen Steinvord? I knew it! I knew it was either Chen or Skrillex

  On 1/21/2016 at 3:06 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

 

The daily caller and RT? Good lord.

 

RT stated an official source:

 

"The Federal Employment Agency has stated that 81 percent of asylum seekers are "without formal qualifications," the Junge Freiheit daily reported".

 

I cannot comment on Daily Caller but they quoted a PDF with a study about EQ in math around the world. Not sure how relevant is that.

 

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

 

Yes by 2030 Muslims might make up 8% of Europe's population. Which means 92% of Europe's population will not be Muslim.

 

I said you have to count the percent for individual states not EU as a whole. It does not really matter to France if Slovakia has less than 0.5 % of Muslim population, you see?

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

Historically, as groups improve their economic standing, fertility rates decrease.

 

True but their economic standing will not change for quite a long time.

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

A minority group can certainly have influence on a society, but to think that it will fundamentally change, when the reason many of these people are migrating there is precisely because of the existing rule of law, is not logically sound reasoning.

 

Syrian refugees simply flee from the war. I don't believe there is more to that. They are certainly not going to give up on Islam when in Europe. The others are "economic migrants" and therefore have even less reasons to change their mentality imo.

 

Without formal qualifications does not mean illiterate. For example, there are many Latin American workers here in Vancouver that do not have formal qualifications - that is qualifications recognized by Canada. They might be electricians, nuclear physicists, doctors what have you in their home country, but they are not recognized as such here.

France's Muslim population is 7.5% - let's say it grows by double the European rate per decade - that means by 2030, it will be 9.5% which still leaves 90.5% of France as not Muslim.

In Canada at least, refugees report higher incomes than the vaunted "investor immigrants" who came from China. After 5 years they reported income on par with Canadians.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/refugees-reporting-higher-earnings-in-canada-than-investor-immigrants

As I noted earlier, there is little to be made in the distinction between economic migrants and refugees for many of these people - they are fleeing countries where there is no infrastructure, they face oppression and persecution, and there is a constant state of fighting. I do not believe they will give up on Islam either, but they will almost certainly moderate their actions - as it is, many of the beliefs indicated in that Pew research survey that gets quoted often (and for good reason, it is solid data) do not translate into action, even in their home countries.

It is my belief (and this is strictly through personal experience) that the vast majority of immigrants (including Muslims) welcome the rule of law in Western nations, and that by and large the vast majority of migrants desire nothing more than to live their lives in peace, without fear of persecution. Nations receiving the migrants should police them according to the laws of the host country, and should not let populism and xenophobia rule the day.

I have no idea what Audioblysk is talking about, with regards to real life. I do know I want some goddamned gumbo.

I think Blysky meant you're a kind, respectful, very well educated guy....

Or maybe he meant you're batman. heh

  On 1/21/2016 at 3:06 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:28 AM, chenGOD said:

 

The daily caller and RT? Good lord.

 

RT stated an official source:

 

"The Federal Employment Agency has stated that 81 percent of asylum seekers are "without formal qualifications," the Junge Freiheit daily reported".

 

I cannot comment on Daily Caller but they quoted a PDF with a study about EQ in math around the world. Not sure how relevant is that.

 

 

That 'report' (I don't even want to call it that, it's a brochure at best) by the Bundesagentur für Arbeit is pretty vague to be honest. For starters, from what I can tell, they don't state anywhere where they got those percentages from, or how they were collected. Secondly it simply states only three groups; Academic Qualification (which could be so broad or narrow a range it really needs definition), Job/Vocational training and without formal qualification (everything else). In none of that does it state whether that's based on the German educational model, or that of a refugees mother country.

Also that Junge Freiheit also quotes the Bundesamt für Migration which reckons that actually 90% possess some form of education, with 31% having a high school or Uni education.

I don't think anyone really knows, or has had the time or resources to fully investigate the level of education within those who are coming. Not that it matters one jot anyway.

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:22 AM, Jev said:

 

 

I also forgot to reply to your "parallel societies" argument:

 

There is many info on even third, fourth generations of Turks in Germany and Denmark still living in parallel societies. I have no info from other countries but I expect it to be similar because of voluntary isolation of immigrant families from the native societies which is something that strongly comes from their strong cultural roots (their culture is so different they have troubles to assimilate and rather chooses parallel societies and isolation).

 

 

I don't want to generalise and neither should you about voluntary isolation when it comes to Turks in Germany. The Germans and the Turks have a very weird fucked up relationship and can both be as bad as each other.

As I said, it's hard not to generalise or just use anecdotal evidence, but I've seen first hand here the Police not give two shits about following up crime because it was reported by someone of Turkish origin, despite the fact he is now a German citizen, fully fluent, employed etc. The cop even said as much, why should I help you, I have actual Germans to protect.

  On 1/21/2016 at 2:24 AM, Ayya Khema said:

Body and mind are separate. science will never be able to study immaterial phenomena like thoughts and feelings. yes they can observe feelings in the brain, but they cannot understand how that translates for that person.

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=_-agl0pOQfs&p=n#/115;120

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:41 AM, Jev said:

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:03 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

I noticed the audience looked a wee bit awkward at the hypothetical "How long would you hate the crocodile?" question there in the Sydney Opera House... perhaps because when Steve 'Crocodile Hunter' Irwin was fatally injured by a stingray, a load of Aussies went and killed stingrays as redemption. I'll keep watching it but it's sucks so far.

  On 1/21/2016 at 6:22 PM, boo said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:41 AM, Jev said:

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:03 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

I noticed the audience looked a wee bit awkward at the hypothetical "How long would you hate the crocodile?" question there in the Sydney Opera House... perhaps because when Steve 'Crocodile Hunter' Irwin was fatally injured by a stingray, a load of Aussies went and killed stingrays as redemption. I'll keep watching it but it's sucks so far.

 

yeah, this is not science at all

  On 1/21/2016 at 6:47 PM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 6:22 PM, boo said:

 

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:41 AM, Jev said:

  On 1/21/2016 at 1:03 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

I noticed the audience looked a wee bit awkward at the hypothetical "How long would you hate the crocodile?" question there in the Sydney Opera House... perhaps because when Steve 'Crocodile Hunter' Irwin was fatally injured by a stingray, a load of Aussies went and killed stingrays as redemption. I'll keep watching it but it's sucks so far.

 

yeah, this is not science at all

 

It's a simple explanation of what could pass as misconceptions of free will, followed by an explanation of what free will actually is...so I can't see how it has anything to do with an absence of free will.

It's Sam Harris, so you'll only watch the entire clip if there's a sudden absence of free will.

*ZING!*

Chen is the hero WATMM needs, but not the one it deserves right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent gaurdian. A watchful protector. A chenGOD.

I'll reheat the gumbo now that the thread has died back on the insults and attacks of character. But so help me god, I'll cool it down and shut this BBQ down so fast it'll make Limpy's average forum response time look like a decade in comparison. This thread is on thin ice.

(@ chen - yeh, what Stephen said) <3

Edit : (high fives goDel for tasteful zinger)

"All you need is Chen."

-Chen

  On 1/21/2016 at 8:08 PM, Audioblysk said:

Chen is the hero WATMM needs, but not the one it deserves right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent gaurdian. A watchful protector. A chenGOD.

 

I'll reheat the gumbo now that the thread has died back on the insults and attacks of character. But so help me god, I'll cool it down and shut this BBQ down so fast it'll make Limpy's average forum response time look like a decade in comparison. This thread is on thin ice.

 

(@ chen - yeh, what Stephen said) <3

 

Edit : (high fives goDel for tasteful zinger)

honorable mention is appreciated

GO CHEN!